Stimulants Massive dose of Focalin/Vyvanse with no/little tolerance. About to comedown, help!

[Amphetafiend!]

First post cause the other forum I went to was very unresponsive... Hopefully I'll find help here.
Please don't flame me because I did something stupid. We all do stupid stuff!
Well for starters, I LOVE UPPERS. You might be able to tell by my name. Anything amphetamine or phenidate related that can be prescribed for ADHD, I will most likely love if used recreationally. Just a warning by the way, I'm about to come down on a pretty massive dose, but for now I'm still "legal tweaking", so please bare with me if I type much more than necessary.

This morning I took 180mg Focalin XR which my friend gave to me. I have zero tolerance to this drug, but I'm somewhat familiar with the effects since I was previously prescribed Metadate, which have extremely similar active chemicals. (Dexmethylphenidate and Methylphenidate.) I didn't realize how massive the dose I took was until later. I was also on 30mg Vyvanse at the time I dosed the Focalin, just in case it matters.

Now, of the many times I've abused my Vyvanse, I've never felt a comedown very strongly. I've noticed slight discomfort once the high was over, but nothing like my friends feel on the same doses. I've always kind of thought I was slightly immune to them. This is different, though.
I didn't really start thinking about how high my dose was until I read online that Focalin should only last four hours, and I was on hour ten of an intense high, with barely any sign of slowing down anytime soon. My friend was coming over to spend the night later, and I didn't want to be bitchy and tired cause of the Focalin while he was here, so I asked him for his Vyvanse 75mg. I popped it to delay the comedown. Stupid? Quite. Logical? Somewhat. A couple hours later when he was supposed to be over, he informed me that his boss called him and he has to work tommorow... That was a waste.

I'm already typing more than I need to.. My point is, I'm starting to feel the comeoff effects of the Vyvanse and Focalin, and it's awful. Worse than any comedown I've had so far. I've had a headache for about 15 minutes, and I just need to know how much worse it will get from someone with more experience with Focalin, and what can I do to help my mood which is about to take a turn for the worst?
Thanks BL.

 

[opiatekrzy]

If you have no drugs to help with the comedown like benzos. I suggest being alone for starters. Force yourself to eat even if not hungry and drink a lot of fluid , that should help bring you down more smoothly , take vitamins. Masturbating at your favorite porn online sure is a pleasure on speed and coming down. Ride thru the pain, yes it's gonna suck but you hVe to . And I would never take such high doses again that's a very easy way to land in psychosis and kill the enjoyable effects of speed

 

[Jabberwocky]

The best thing to do would be to eat, drink (water) and get some sleep as soon as you are able to.
Make sure not to over-do your water intake, just drink around 0,3 l at a time, or else you will increase the flushing of electrolytes which is not what you want.
Do a google search on foods high in Potassium, Magnesium and L-Tyrosine and eat some of that - if you have some Magnesium supplements on hand then take some of them, but if its Magnesium oxide, then dont even bother, just go for the foods high in magnesium instead.

Thats all I can think of right now, I hope someone can add something of more value soon.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I don't really think there Is much else of value you can do to make this comedown smoother , if you don't have access to any drugs such as Xanax or Klonopin, or even clonidine , food, hydration, vitamins , and masturbsting will be all you can do , unless your up for exercising , which j doubt and may be dangerous with all that CNS Stimulation going on...

 

[BlueHues]

Really, hydration, showering, maybe a low dose of benzos...The comedown is part of the game.

 

[dirzted]

L-Tyrosine supplements actually did something for me when I was coming off of speed, they aren't effective for much else other than depression resulting from traumatic situations. Now, idk if an addy comedown is necessarily "traumatic" but for me it might as damn well be so I think it fits that criteria.

like opiatekrzy said wacking it while coming down is something that definitely will take your mind off things, idk why this happens to me but typically i wont have any increase in libido during the actual high, but when coming down it fucking skyrockets haha. Otherwise just take a day off from everything to let yourself recharge - eat as healthy as possible, lay down, stretch (yoga is difficult but pays off wonderfully i highly recommend it~or just some cool stretches or BS like that).

If you DO have access to drugs, opiates during a comedown COMPLETELY take away any depression I had and i get better euphoria than if i had just taken them without any addy previously, not saying this will happen to you but with me It was so powerful i started only to take addy/uppers if i had opiates on hand for the comedown (to the point where i would specifically buy addy just for the better high i get with opes during the comedown lol) they will forsure help you out, valiums/longer acting benzos are nice as well.

Good luck though man, and if all else fails just remember all your negative side effects will be over pretty much in 24/48 hours.

 

[Hammilton]

While you may not have used that particular brand name, you say you've used amphetamine and methylphenidate before, and abused them, so you certainly have a tolerance.

 

[R2o]

Vyvanse has a long duration of administration due to the the amphetamine being bound to l-lysine, which means your body has to digest the l-lysine to absorb the amphetamine. Your comedown from the vyvanse will take a little while longer than the focalin to leave your system.

Try to flush out your body by drinking water or a sports drink. Also try and make a whey or soy protein shake if you have the means. Whey is probably better just because of the flavor. The protein shake will give your brain the nessesary amino acids to rebuild the neurotransmitters that you have depleted from using these two drugs in combination, while being easy on the gut as well.

Amphetamine reverses the Serotonin and dopamine transport system, while focalin inhibits the re-uptake of these catecholamines. You gave yourself a double whammy. But hey, you'll feel just like new after a good nights rest and the proper neurotransmitter building blocks.

 

[Speed King]

First off, learn what the fuck your ingesting so you don't stroke out or some other lame shit. That being said, amps and the like do not like acidic things so eat some acidic stuff. Drink the fluids within reason, like water to flush your system. Don't over do fluids. Some Gator Aid is good to get your electrolytes balanced, but it can also keep you tweaking. Methylphenidate and d-amp do not always work together, but sometimes they synergies. Remember that. Get your hands on some decent cal/mag/zinc.
I like to have a nicely stocked medicine chest, but sometimes I run out of pharmaceutical downs. Sleepytime, or Chamomile tea can work wonders in a pinch. Comfortable to slightly cooler showers can work wonders. Just don't go ice cold, as it will add to vasoconstriction.
I personally take Vyvance, and that shit makes you want to read books and study, so why don't you go ahead and look up Amphetamine FAQ on this site. Learn your lesson this time so as not to hurt yourself.

 

[Speed King]

If by chance you are still tweaking after all you learned and it's getting bothersome, take your ass to a hospital. They have ways of bringing you down. I'm sure you'll be fine, but docs are there to help, not bust you.

 

[opiatekrzy]

If you wanna waste. 5hrs in the emergency room wondering if they will throw you in the psych ward or just give you an Ativan to bring your hypertension down and vitals stable. If you want to avoid the looney bin. For "suicidial ideation " for over using pills (don't ask it's standard protocol at my county hospital ) just say your having chest pains and feel dizzy which they will pass off as a panic attack and hopefully give you an Ativan of vitals are high, or say for some reason your ADHD medication is making you feel too stimulated..then again I that gets back to your doctor by bye speed scripts .


I know this is harm reduction , but it looks like you are fine. Your on here typing, and just facing a common medium/Hard comedown ..just deal with it...benzos are a waste to take I think cause for me it kills the hyper tension but still has me wide awake, and when it wears off I'm back to crash mode.


Opiates definetly will make you feel back to your normal self. However it is dangerous mixing opiates with uppers..

By the way don't ever touch methylphenidate again or focalin. You will suffer some real painful effects soon to come , it's a dirty ass drug that is almost identical to cocaine and how it works in the brain...your only hiding the genuine awesome euphoria that amphetamines give you when taking a stimulant that blocks reuptake of dopamine , when amphetamines release serotonin and dopamine. If you want to enjoy amphetamines and get the real magic out of it don't mix it with that shit, if you decide to use them disgusting Stims, do it on a different day


I by no means am trying to sound like a dick . I don't want you to suffer the ugly negative effects of methylphenidate based drugs down the road and mix two diff Stims and overwork your CNS....I say it out of love... I been there. Hell and back . Amphetamines are a wonderful feeljng when taken properly at a right dose and it lasts several hours verse 2-4hrs...lol ironically I'm lucky if my adderall lasts 3hrs due to long tern abuse..

 

[Jabberwocky]

By the way don't ever touch methylphenidate again or focalin. You will suffer some real painful effects soon to come , it's a dirty ass drug that is almost identical to cocaine and how it works in the brain...your only hiding the genuine awesome euphoria that amphetamines give you when taking a stimulant that blocks reuptake of dopamine , when amphetamines release serotonin and dopamine. If you want to enjoy amphetamines and get the real magic out of it don't mix it with that shit, if you decide to use them disgusting Stims, do it on a different day

Why would taking a drug that inhibits the dopamine reuptake make amps less euphoric? I would have thought that it would be the other way around as more "active dopamine" would be available and amps block the reuptake of dopamine too if im not mistaken? (while also releasing it as opposed to Methylphenidate which only blocks reuptake of dopamine)

I would also like to know why opiates + amps is a dangerous combination? I thought that was supposed to be a great combo from what I have been reading about it so far.
I dont have any personal experience with either combination mentioned so I hope that you (or someone else for that matter) will enlighten me on these subjects.

 

[opiatekrzy]

Opiates are depressants as well as benzos. Benzos can safely be given for stimulant overdoses , hypertension , Ect. While opiates , I'm no doctor but it's common knowledge that speedballs are very dangerous whether it's cocaine and heroin in a cooker , or tweaked on adderall and shooting dope to come down. I wish I had the proof handy but benzos are the only exception that can safely be given while on stimulants . As far as what I said about mixing two different Stims, one that blocks the reuptake of dopamine while the other releases dopamine and serotonin , I'm speaking as this combo is only going to cause very very unpleasant physical side effects such as horrible muscle tension , so much energy and the feeling of crawibg out of your skin, I believe it will turn totally dysphoric, possibility of serotonin Syndrone or serious medical issues. I apologize for my post and not putting proof on the table as far as it being dangerous mixing opiates with stimulants . And I am sorry if I am incorrect about the dangers of mixing two diff Stims and the added strain it will put on your heart , blood pressure , pulse , Ect ...

 

[BlueHues]

^It would take a long time to explain the whole thing, but mixing amphetamines and opiates is not nearly as dangerous as mixing cocaine and opiates.

Cocaine is short acting, and can cause a possibly fatal arrhythmia when it starts to wear off and you're on opiates. It usually only happens with high doses. Also, it can mask a dangerously high dose of opiates and temporarily negate the CNS depression...when the cocaine wears off, the CNS depression kicks in and you could overdose.

Benzodiazepines are not considered "depressants" on their own. They don't have much of an effect an heart rate, breathing or blood pressure when taken on their own. They do potentiate the CNS depressing effects of other drugs though, and are particularly dangerous to mix with opiates, and to a somewhat lesser degree alcohol.

One of the main reasons benzodiazepines are favored over barbiturates is because they can be used medically for the same purposes without causing CNS depression. It's very difficult to suffer a fatal OD from benzos alone. Whereas, barbiturates can kill you on their own, and did when they were in common use.


I really don't like to get too into which combinations are dangerous and which aren't, because there's a million possible scenarios with different possible outcomes. But then again, I don't believe in just telling everyone, "Don't ever mix anything, you'll die!"..

With a stimulant OD, the mental state of panic and sheer terror and fear of dying greatly exacerbate the situation. Oftentimes, merely " calming someone down" is what can mean the difference between life and death. This is why benzos are given. The calming effect they have can lower a dangerously high heart rate, and they can also act directly tprevent seizures by "slowing the brain down"...

So, on the one hand...anything that calms you down could be useful for a stimulant OD, but depending on the individual and the particular situation, certain things could make it worse. A few drinks, or a low dose of opiates could help a lot for some people..but for someone opiate naive, it could make it worse...

There's a big difference between a true stimulant OD and a non life threatening one. Either way, benzos are generally the best thing to use.

 

[opiatekrzy]

Good point , I never looked at cocaine and amphetamine differences when combining with opiates

 

[Heroic]

If you haven't redosed, you're probably very much baseline now, but for future reference a tiny ammount of some sort of alcoholic beverage helps ease amphetamine comedowns (in my experience).