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US Politics Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2020

When/if I have guns in my house, EVERYONE will take basic guns safety courses. I’ve shot less than a dozen rounds in my life, just plinking cans in the woods with my uncles as a teen, so I’m down for the course as well.

With kids, I may have them take the course even if we don’t get guns in the house. I live in PA which is a hunting state (businesses shutdown due to employees calling out ‘sick’) when hunting season arrives. As such my kids will invariably end up in homes with guns.

I’d prefer my family has a healthy respect for guns than a ignorant fear.

Id say that's pretty sensible.

I wish people could be relied upon to just act safely with guns without being taught, but it's very obvious that they can't.

People just don't seem to intuitively think shit like "don't point gun at person you don't want to die", or "don't fuck around with the deadly weapon".
 
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I'd feel safer in a room full of people trained for shooting who all had loaded firearms than I would in a classroom full of inner city teenagers I'll put it that way. My friend is a new teacher at a ghetto school and day one, one of his students threatened him with violence... a fucking 12 year old! No gun I've ever met has threatened to punch me for no reason :oops:
 
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I'd feel safer in a room full of people trained for shooting who all had loaded firearms than I would in a classroom full of inner city teenagers I'll put it that way. My friend is a new teacher at a ghetto school and day one, one of his students threatened him with violence... a fucking 12 year old! No gun I've ever met has threatened to punch me for no reason :oops:

Well so would I. I mean a gun is a potentially deadly weapon, but so is a fist with some muscle behind it. And we can't disarm people from having those without... You know... Disarming them... :p

The thing that really makes it seem irrational to me though is how people don't feel any such fear about being around cars... Yet a car is able to kill you just as effortlessly as a gun.

I'm not trying to say they're exactly the same nor am I trying to make any pro gun argument here at all... Just that it seems irrational to be to be afraid of a gun but not a car when you're a pedestrian crossing the street.
 
I’m afraid of cars. I had a bad wreck as a teen and ever since I’ve been a pretty slow driver... almost like ptsd, I get anxious when I see accidents. I never tailgate or anything. I don’t wana ever be in a wreck again.
 
Americans love guns.
Americans love meth.

Can you see why Europeans get a little nervous?

I would change the word "meth" to just "drugs" generally-speaking, but otherwise...yup :love:

I feel sorry for anyone who never gets to experience the pleasure of getting high af and blasting off about 500 dollars worth of .223 ammo on a rural beach somewhere! When you do that you just can't help but think, "murika" :unsure:(y)
 
My home state is AK, the beaches there are pretty rural lol

One fond memory of mine as a lad was shooting a dead bloated whale that had washed up on the beach with my friend's AR15. You kind of have to make your own fun when you live in some of these rural communities, sometimes you just have to embrace your hick roots I guess ;)
 
I'll say this though... I absolutely do fear people who have no experience with guns being around guns. It's amazing just how stupidly people who've never been taught how to safely use guns handle them.

Agreed 100%. I grew up around guns. Hunted with guns. Walked the property with a gun because snakes and wild boar were a thing. Learned how to handle a gun in a combat scenario in the military and saw combat. I'm not in the least bit scared of guns but holy hell I would have stayed away from the capitol during that event because way, way too many people have no freaking idea how to hold a gun, operate efficiently, or practice good trigger discipline. And you know what? I'm a big proponent of gun rights but 95%, in my opinion, of all people with guns in America do not know how to effectively and safely operate one.
 
I think training should be required to own guns. We require a license and training to ensure you know how to safely operate a car in order to drive (rightfully and thankfully so). I think it makes a lot of sense to require the same for guns. Anyone could educate themselves and then they'd be able to get a gun, but it would help ensure that people knew whatg they were doing who had them. It would probably eliminate a lot of the harm that comes from people accidentally hurting themselves or someone else with guns.
 
By who though? Despite my reservations I still believe in the working class keeping arms and being as the state is the tool of whoever holds power, I would be less comfortable limiting arms under the arbitrariness of government gun laws. Every Republican is pro-gun until brown people start showing up armed.
 
I guess the state would have to mandate the training requirements. But all I'm talking about is gun safety and operation training... how to fire a weapon, how to understand the requirements for usage. So you don't end up with people having no idea how to use them and accidentally hurting themselves or others. I feel like if you support requiring training and certification to drive a car, it's not really any different. It's just ensuring you're qualified to safely operate a dangerous machine that has the potential to cause harm to others if you're ignorant of how to use it. The goal isn't to make it hard to qualify to own guns.

I mean people SHOULD want to have training for gun usage, and they SHOULD want to teach their kids about it if they're going to have guns around. But as we all know,what people SHOULD do isn't always what they actually do...
 
I think training should be required to own guns. We require a license and training to ensure you know how to safely operate a car in order to drive (rightfully and thankfully so). I think it makes a lot of sense to require the same for guns.

Aside from Infernal's point about 'who' would set the requirements and control them, I fully agree anyone with a gun should be trained. But the kicker is, most who legally own guns, are trained. Most who own guns illegally, couldn't give a shit less.
 
Ah, a reference from 60-70yrs ago. No wonder I didn't get it.

Its not really just from the pre-Presidential Reagan period but almost every gun control regulation invariably hits the lowest economic groups the hardest. Combine that with a long history of laws and police hitting harder in black communities (and the ridiculous number of poor black people in for profit prisons) and its pretty hard not to see some massively racist and classist undertones in gun control.
 
I live in the U.K. and we have a zero ban on handguns BUT every other country in Europe has handgun ownership, hunting rifles and shotguns it’s not a problem .


The U.K. with its strictest gun laws has one of the highest murder rates for a capital in the western world and that’s sadly due to kitchen knives as the U.K. also has some of the strictest laws in regards to knives

Then there’s Islamic terrorist who drive around London use cars and lorries to run down pedestrians.

And the U.K. have the highest rapes nearly twice as high as France

Just google -London knife Violence- we average 150 + stabbing in London each year .

It’s not Guns or Knives it’s FUCK WITS

It will be a sad day when America bans guns and nothing will change people who want to do bad things will still do bad things they will just use different weapons .

You need to root the problem out .
 
The U.K. with its strictest gun laws has one of the highest murder rates for a capital in the western world and that’s sadly due to kitchen knives as the U.K. also has some of the strictest laws in regards to knives

Do you have a source for that? I'd rather not try and determine it for myself because given how specific the claim is, it'd be a real pain in the ass to determine.

I mean highest western capital murder rate? A lot of places don't even track the data that finely.
 
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