US Politics Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2020
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The idea that one has to own a home security system to own a firearm in the UK is intrinsically biased towards favoring the wealthy over the poor too. I can't afford a security system myself... That's why I want a freaking shotgun lol. The 'original' home security system.
What a shitty fuckin' country to live in it must be. I fail to grasp how the pound has retained its value so well. I actually know quite a few working-class Englishmen who emigrated to here in the US to find employment. They also all seem to love going shooting lol.
What a shitty fuckin' country to live in it must be. I fail to grasp how the pound has retained its value so well. I actually know quite a few working-class Englishmen who emigrated to here in the US to find employment. They also all seem to love going shooting lol.
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@Higo7 - yeah, not sure it should be up to the opinion of someone, rather than having a strict rules such as no one with mental illness or with violent criminal records like Jess suggested.
I would be unable to own on both accounts. Then again, maybe someone like me would get angry at the rules and buy one off the dark web in spite.
I think we just need to be better parents, better teachers and better role models.
I would be unable to own on both accounts. Then again, maybe someone like me would get angry at the rules and buy one off the dark web in spite.
I think we just need to be better parents, better teachers and better role models.
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This times one gazillion.
Your not allowed firearms for home protection, if you told the nice policeman you might have the need to shot a burglar... you can kiss you firearm ... goodbye
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Besides. Keeping guns out of the hands of ordinary criminals is a losing proposition. I live in Australia and there are very strict gun control laws. Yet I can't even tell you how many times I've seen guns in the hands of criminals.
When I was still using and had active connections I probably could have gotten a gun inside of a day or so if I wanted one. It's just not realistic.
The point here isn't to make it so no criminals have guns, that's not gonna happen. Way I see it the point is to stop mass shootings and negligent deaths by legal owners.
Which is a big part of why my system isn't like the ones in Australia or the UK. In mine you absolutely are allowed to have a gun for self defense.
Worse still though about countries like Australia is they don't even let you have pepper spray or stun guns for self defense. And I'm never ever gonna be OK with that. Fuck that shit.
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How do we define shootings now anyways?
Recall a few months back when that ex-con was held up in a house in Chicago I think it was, the police were serving him a warrant over drugs, and so he shot back. Yet it made headlines as a 'shooting' and they kept going on and on about the 'heroism' of the police force in trying to take the guy down... HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO SHOOT AT THEM. You come in my home and try and take me away for non-violent crimes and put me in jail for life, hell yeah I'ma shoot at you. I know it was later exposed that he had a history of gun violations, but most of his arrest record was drug related.
Let me ask y'all this; why is it that an ordinary American, on average, tenses up and feels fear in the presence of police, even when they're law abiding? Yet the ordinary citizen feels little fear when they see a guy walking around with a revolver on his hip (at least, I do, I assume most folks feel the same).
Recall a few months back when that ex-con was held up in a house in Chicago I think it was, the police were serving him a warrant over drugs, and so he shot back. Yet it made headlines as a 'shooting' and they kept going on and on about the 'heroism' of the police force in trying to take the guy down... HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO SHOOT AT THEM. You come in my home and try and take me away for non-violent crimes and put me in jail for life, hell yeah I'ma shoot at you. I know it was later exposed that he had a history of gun violations, but most of his arrest record was drug related.
Let me ask y'all this; why is it that an ordinary American, on average, tenses up and feels fear in the presence of police, even when they're law abiding? Yet the ordinary citizen feels little fear when they see a guy walking around with a revolver on his hip (at least, I do, I assume most folks feel the same).
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What really pisses me off. Is statistically women make up such a tiny fraction of murderers and violent crime. Yet we always insist that gun control laws, self defense laws, etc, have to target everyone equally. Fuck that shit.
Women should be allowed to defend themselves. There's no real problem with women mass shooters. It's not equal to target everyone, it's unequal.
Maybe because you can defend yourself against the guy with a revolver and potentially get away with it.
You shoot a cop in self defense and you're going to jail. Doesn't matter if the cop was about to execute you.
Women should be allowed to defend themselves. There's no real problem with women mass shooters. It's not equal to target everyone, it's unequal.
Maybe because you can defend yourself against the guy with a revolver and potentially get away with it.
You shoot a cop in self defense and you're going to jail. Doesn't matter if the cop was about to execute you.
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So true. I can only think of one cop in recent memory being fired over a murder, that one in Dallas who shot a guy when she walked into the wrong fuckin' apartment. Guy was just chilling out having his day and wham a cop walks in and kills him...
My wife feels the fear too around cops. She doesn't use any drugs, has never had a ticket or been pulled over, but fears them. Discussing that with her the other day made me fully realize just how much of a police state America is...
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this. One day my mother took a rifle out of her closet to ask me about it, had i not taken the thing away when i did i can guarantee she would have 'tested' to see if it was loaded, i opened the chamber when i took it away, she had been waving around a loaded gun. smh. gun safety is on the same level as common sense, those without it shouldnt handle even a pellet gun, a poorly handled pellet gun can be just as deadly if not dangerous as a proper gun
The police here also don't use anything other than Full jacketed bullets, but then again they don't need to use weapons because everything is corrupt as fuck
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Fact is the cops, and especially in America, have done almost everything in their power to make the community afraid of them. They have only themselves to blame when the community doesn't trust them.
If they don't like it maybe they should stop shooting the community. That's not good PR.
If they don't like it maybe they should stop shooting the community. That's not good PR.
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I've alleged from the beginning that this was almost definitely not a crazed lone gunman and was a state-sponsored false flag carried out in order to pass unconstitutional gun laws in Canada
if one tenth of these allegations turn out to be true, this situation is truly messed up: New York Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation
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Yeah I heard that on the radio today while I was going to get an oil change.
NRA is virtually a PAC, is anyone really surprised by corruption there?
It was more likely just the latest instance of gross negligence the RCMP has become known for. "Fruit of the poisonous tree" is just not a topic covered in their policing handbook.
The irony here is that the RCMP HQ in NB is where the long-gun registry was kept, which was scrapped years ago, so it isn't even known anymore who owns any of these newly-banned firearms.
It was more likely just the latest instance of gross negligence the RCMP has become known for. "Fruit of the poisonous tree" is just not a topic covered in their policing handbook.
The irony here is that the RCMP HQ in NB is where the long-gun registry was kept, which was scrapped years ago, so it isn't even known anymore who owns any of these newly-banned firearms.
Having seen some areas of the US with the strictest gun laws and some with the most lax, I feel much better around guns than not.
Criminals will always have guns, there’s no way around this.. We live in age where creating a gun is as easy as owning a 3d printer, it’s actually the bullets that would be hard to make long term but that’s for another conversation. Just like drugs, there’s no way they are going away so we have to learn to live with them.
If I could wake up tomorrow and live in a fairytale land that had no guns, no weapons of any kind, Id be all for it.
Chicago with one of the strictest gun laws has some of the worst gun crime I’ve ever seen. It’s gotten a tiny bit better but I remember times being in what felt like a nice part of town hearing automatic gunfire like I’m living in a goddamn war zone.
Then going to states where your in a grocery store and see someone open carry, it just makes me feel safer inside even if I’m not carrying.
It’s sad people have such a fear of those that open carry cuz in my eyes those are the last people to be afraid of, so long as they aren’t strutting around trying to assert some authority (never seen it.). Anyone looking to use a gun in a malicious way will obviously have it hidden.
On top of it all, ya’ll in the UK don’t have Mountain Lions and big Grizzly Bears to deal with either. Run into a mountain lion stalking your ass one time and I bet you’ll either carry a gun or stop going out.
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Criminals will always have guns, there’s no way around this.. We live in age where creating a gun is as easy as owning a 3d printer, it’s actually the bullets that would be hard to make long term but that’s for another conversation. Just like drugs, there’s no way they are going away so we have to learn to live with them.
If I could wake up tomorrow and live in a fairytale land that had no guns, no weapons of any kind, Id be all for it.
Chicago with one of the strictest gun laws has some of the worst gun crime I’ve ever seen. It’s gotten a tiny bit better but I remember times being in what felt like a nice part of town hearing automatic gunfire like I’m living in a goddamn war zone.
Then going to states where your in a grocery store and see someone open carry, it just makes me feel safer inside even if I’m not carrying.
It’s sad people have such a fear of those that open carry cuz in my eyes those are the last people to be afraid of, so long as they aren’t strutting around trying to assert some authority (never seen it.). Anyone looking to use a gun in a malicious way will obviously have it hidden.
On top of it all, ya’ll in the UK don’t have Mountain Lions and big Grizzly Bears to deal with either. Run into a mountain lion stalking your ass one time and I bet you’ll either carry a gun or stop going out.
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Out of curiosity; any 'mass shootings' in recent months? I ask, because, you know....no laws have changed, no guns are confiscated, and nothing substantial has changed...and yet, crickets. Perhaps it's COVID and lockdowns...which, if anything, are driving people crazier that they can't conduct their lives normally. So, any theories on WHY this isn't still an issue?
While we're at it, if 'mass shootings' and 'gun control/debate' are still viable topics, how does the violence in gun free zones like Chicago and Philly that has not only continued, but increased in recent months (DEFUND THE POLICE!), play into the discussion?
While we're at it, if 'mass shootings' and 'gun control/debate' are still viable topics, how does the violence in gun free zones like Chicago and Philly that has not only continued, but increased in recent months (DEFUND THE POLICE!), play into the discussion?
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I'm sorry but that's crap. It at the least it's highly misleading.
I don't believe in conventional gun control (which is to say, gun control that bans guns) either. But 3d printers can't make the kind of guns people can easily buy pretty much anywhere in America.
You can print a gun that can fire maybe one .22 round. That's nothing compared to a 9mm semiautomatic. It's just not comparable.
A video from 6 whole years ago (technology advances exponentially each year) showing a guy shooting a 3d printed .45 which is a larger caliber than a 9mm....
So yea 3d printed guns are something a small group of a couple determined individuals could easily make...
If we want to really split hairs, metal working and fabrication isn’t beyond many to learn. I’ve seen homemade guns before.
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