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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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Personally I think the real solution is in waking the fuck up to the mental illness problems we have in this country and our shocking failure to properly address it, and our continued policies and way of life that have caused it in the first place.
QFT...
 
I can't help but feel like it seems a lot of the people (not saying anyone here, just in political generally) who keep saying the mass shooting problem is a mental health problem are also the ones who don't want us to do more about publicly funded access to mental health treatment.
 
I don't really understand it that much to make such a statement Jess just here about the school shootings and think 40+ million people with a gun I'm surprised theirs not more shootings tbh
 
As a reminder, this is not just a US phenomenon or discussion. I'm surprised none of our friends down under have shared this:

'He kicked the door open and shot up every room': Four dead and others injured as gunman storms into a busy motel in Darwin and fires 'up to 20 shots' from a shotgun

Four men are dead and a woman is in hospital after a gunman opened fire with a pump action shotgun at five different locations in Darwin.

The 45-year-old suspected gunman, who was on parole and wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet, was arrested after being on the run for about an hour following the shootings in and around a hotel in the city's CBD on Tuesday evening.

Shots were first fired just before 6pm and the city was quickly placed in lockdown.

The alleged gunman was wearing hi-vis clothing when he fired 'up to 20 shots' at the Palms Motel on McMinn Street.

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It is believed two people were killed at the Palms Hotel.
Another witness said a man was shot in the head at a second crime scene on Gardens Hill Crescent – although police have not yet confirmed the reports.

A third crime scene was established at the Buff Club on Stuart Highway.

The daughter of the manager of the club said someone had been shot in the car park.

There were also reports, which have not been confirmed, that a man's throat was cut.

Can someone advise a non-Aussie like myself what exactly is the gun law situation over there? Were all guns confiscated, or are there still public persons with guns? If so, how are they managed, what are the laws?

Is there any discussion similar to the US conversation on gun control given this episode?
 
As a reminder, this is not just a US phenomenon or discussion. I'm surprised none of our friends down under have shared this:

'He kicked the door open and shot up every room': Four dead and others injured as gunman storms into a busy motel in Darwin and fires 'up to 20 shots' from a shotgun



Can someone advise a non-Aussie like myself what exactly is the gun law situation over there? Were all guns confiscated, or are there still public persons with guns? If so, how are they managed, what are the laws?

Is there any discussion similar to the US conversation on gun control given this episode?

There is no conversation. Gun politics pretty much doesn't exist.

Not all guns were confiscated. But for most purposes outside of certain specific occupations, semiautomatic rifles and shotguns were banned from private ownership. Along with some types of (but not all) semiautomatic pistols.

Anyone wanting to own a gun needs a license, which requires a background check. You also need to provide a "genuine reason" such as sport shooting. Which must be validated with documentation. Self defense is not a genuine reason. All firearms must be registered and kept in a safe. And you must make said safe available for inspection by law enforcement at any time.

That's the gist of it.

I gotta admit though, the Australian situation has done a great job at convincing me that mainstream approaches at gun control don't work at making people safer in any significant way.

They might work are reducing mass shootings. But not stopping them. And all research I've done has failed to find any evidence that gun control in Australia had a positive net impact on how many people die form crime and such. It reduced the stats of people dying by being shot, but not of dying in general. Suggesting many people just stab each other to death now instead.

There 'might' have been a slight reduction in net suicides though.

Additionally, guns are very easy to get if you have connections. So if you're a serious criminal or know serious criminals, they aren't hard to get ahold of. Back in the height of my addiction when I had more contacts I could have easily gotten a handgun if I'd wanted one quite easily. I'm sure I still could if I were motivated enough.

But people don't count all the hundreds of people who die in small random crimes. Even though that's the bulk of them. They only count mass shootings. And Australians have been convinced that gun control was a total success. With the media repeatedly pointing out the reduction in gun crime while neglecting to show the averages overall.

This shooting in Darwin will likely be forgotten before long, it's not enough people dead so it won't be mentally filed as a mass shooting in people's heads. It's not the first mass shooting of its kind since the introduction of major gun control. It won't be the last. But people mentally don't count it. And it will stay that way until a big mass shooting happens in Australia. And one will. Sooner or later.
 
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The Fed has been blocked by partisan hacks from doing any in depth studies into the gun violence problem because the right wing is afraid that if the results blame guns then it will mean fewer gun rights.

Meanwhile the suicide rate among men in the U.S. is the highest it's been since the Great Depression era. Men are dying in droves. On the right you have people saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people, and they want all social systems like mental health care slashed; on the other side, you have leftists saying that men have no real problems because they enjoy so much privilege that they use to oppress the world for their own benefit, so women, POC, trans, etc should get all the services.

Where does that leave men? Totally fucked.

When did we last have a shooting rampage by a woman?
 
Which is why I've always questioned the logic behind saying "we gotta ban guns" when it seems like reality is closer to "we gotta ban men from having guns".
 
Can someone advise a non-Aussie like myself what exactly is the gun law situation over there? Were all guns confiscated, or are there still public persons with guns? If so, how are they managed, what are the laws?

Is there any discussion similar to the US conversation on gun control given this episode?

When I go out to the country, everyone has them (farming & hunting purposes) and it's no big deal. When I come back to the city, very few people have them, which is how I like it.

The conversation regarding shooting incidents generally involves questions like:

"Who sold this fucking nutcase a firearm?"

Or

"Why, with a history of violent behaviour, was said nutcase even walking around the streets?"

One thing people generally don't even consider is arming everybody just in case some shit goes down. We don't live with that kind of fear here - we have our own issues to deal with.
 
20 dead in el paso.

after every one of these events the 'thoughts and prayers' come streaming in. why are they not working!

alasdair
 
what should occur?

what greater background check would have prevented him from having a gun, in this case? should these guns be banned/outlawed? I think of the "well-armed militia" - I have thought that guns do need to be regulated better, as long as they are being sold by companies of people who profit from it. There should, I have thought, be people involved and responsible for others if individuals are allowed to purchase such weaponry, or in the case of some ability to produce it themselves, like 3D-Printing, regulation of that equipment somehow. But then I consider personal-protection. Should a person have to be affiliated with a public-social unit to protect their home, to be able to purchase a firearm to protect their homes? What kind of firearm should not be allowed to protect one's home?

I am certainly not for "taking away guns", but I do see there are problems when a company can mass-produce them for purchase by ordinary citizens, who may act as individuals, who may do what this guy did, when these are tools designed specifically to kill, and often to kill other humans. It's like we don't have the cleanest system to do anything about it.

In this circumstance, and in the circumstance of Brenton Tarrant, and Anders Breivik, and the guys that shot people at the synagogs, I find that this violence is probably inevitable, and should be expected. Reading the manifestos of these people, I certainly understand their anger, their reasons for it-- but I can't really say I agree with killing people in general, like this. But governments haven't done a good job, obviously. In more ways than one, they have failed. And have probably been bought out by corporations, in good part, in whatever way that happens. Corporations want mass-immigration, and fewer borders. It's "good" for business. But it's not good for people who are naturally what we call "racist", eventually... Not good for cohesion. Not good if we are aiming for less outside, big government.

We're not addressing the root causes of things. His "white nationalist", "anti-immigrant" views...well, he'll and anyone that identifies with what he wrote about in his manifesto, will be painted as some isolated evil, the cause, the problem. As if that problem existed in isolation.

There are so many things wrong. Sometimes people just want to say something, do something, and maybe at a loss, they can only say a prayer.
 
Here is the alleged manifesto of the shooter:

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The Inconvenient Truth

About me

In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion. Some people will think this statement is hypocritical because of the nearly complete ethnic and cultural destruction brought to the Native Americans by our European ancestors, but this just reinforces my point. The natives didn’t take the invasion of Europeans seriously, and now what’s left is just a shadow of what was. My motives for this attack are not at all personal. Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement. This manifesto will cover the political and economic reasons behind the attack, my gear, my expectations of what response this will generate and my personal motivations and thoughts.

Political Reasons
In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters. With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election. Although the Republican Party is also terrible. Many factions within the Republican Party are pro-corporation. Procorporation = pro-immigration. But some factions within the Republican Party don’t prioritize corporations over our future. So the Democrats are nearly unanimous with their support of immigration while the Republicans are divided over it. At least with Republicans, the process of mass immigration and citizenship can be greatly reduced.

Economic Reasons
In short, immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America. Continued immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it. Of course some people will be retrained, but most will not. So it makes no sense to keep on letting millions of illegal or legal immigrants flood into the United States, and to keep the tens of millions that are already here. Invaders who also have close to the highest birthrate of all ethnicities in America. In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the better. The lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitions social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.

Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically don’t. They want to live the American Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions. This is why corporations lobby for even more illegal immigration even after decades of it of happening. They need to keep replenishing the low-skilled labor pool. Even as migrant children flood skilled jobs, Corporations make this worse by lobbying for even more work visas to be issued for skilled foreign workers to come here. Recently, the senate under a REPUBLICAN administration has greatly increased the number of foreign workers that will take American jobs. Remember that both Democrats and Republicans support immigration and work visas. Corporations need to keep replenishing the labor pool for both skilled and unskilled jobs to keep wages down. So Automation is a good thing as it will eliminate the need for new migrants to fill unskilled jobs. Jobs that Americans can’t survive on anyway. Automation can and would replace millions of low-skilled jobs if immigrants were deported. This source of competition for skilled labor from immigrants and visa holders around the world has made a very difficult situation even worse for natives as they compete in the skilled job market. To compete, people have to get better credentials by spending more time in college. It used to be that a high school degree was worth something. Now a bachelor’s degree is what’s recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low paying and unfulfilling jobs. Of course these migrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not the sole cause of it.

The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources. This has been a problem for decades. For example, this phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic “The Lorax”. Water sheds around the country, especially in agricultural areas, are being depleted. Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent. Urban sprawl creates inefficient cities which unnecessarily destroys millions of acres of land. We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations. Corporations that also like immigration because more people means a bigger market for their products. I just want to say that I love the people of this country, but god damn most of y’all are just too stubborn to change your lifestyle. So the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

Gear
Main gun: AK47 (WASR 10) – I realized pretty quickly that this isn’t a great choice since it’s the civilian version of the ak47. It’s not designed to shoot rounds quickly, so it overheats massively after about 100 shots fired in quick succession. I’ll have to use a heat-resistant glove to get around this.

8m3 bullet: This bullet, unlike pretty much any other 7.62×39 bullet, actually fragments like a pistol hollow point when shot out of an ak47 at the cost of penetration. Penetration is still reasonable, but not nearly as high as a normal ak47 bullet. The ak47 is definitely a bad choice without this bullet design, and may still be with it.

Other gun(if I get one): Ar15 – Pretty much any variation of this gun doesn’t heat up nearly as fast as the AK47. The round of this gun isn’t designed to fragment, but instead tumbles inside a target causing lethal wounding. This gun is probably better, but I wanted to explore different options. The ar15 is probably the best gun for military applications but this isn’t a military application.

This will be a test of which is more lethal, either it’s fragmentation or tumbling.

I didn’t spend much time at all preparing for this attack. Maybe a month, probably less. I have do this before I lose my nerve. I figured that an under-prepared attack and a meh manifesto is better than no attack and no manifesto.

Reaction
Statistically, millions of migrants have returned to their home countries to reunite with the family they lost contact with when they moved to America. They come here as economic immigrants, not for asylum reasons. This is an encouraging sign that the Hispanic population is willing to return to their home countries if given the right incentive. An incentive that myself and many other patriotic Americans will provide. This will remove the threat of the Hispanic voting bloc which will make up for the loss of millions of baby boomers. This will also make the elites that run corporations realize that it’s not in their interest to continue piss off Americans. Corporate America doesn’t need to be destroyed, but just shown that they are on the wrong side of history. That if they don’t bend, they will break.

Personal Reasons and Thoughts
My whole life I have been preparing for a future that currently doesn’t exist. The job of my dreams will likely be automated. Hispanics will take control of the local and state government of my beloved Texas, changing policy to better suit their needs. They will turn Texas into an instrument of a political coup which will hasten the destruction of our country. The environment is getting worse by the year. If you take nothing else from this document, remember this: INACTION IS A CHOICE. I can no longer bear the shame of inaction knowing that our founding fathers have endowed me with the rights needed to save our country from the brink destruction. Our European comrades don’t have the gun rights needed to repel the millions of invaders that plaque their country. They have no choice but to sit by and watch their countries burn.

America can only be destroyed from the inside-out. If our country falls, it will be the fault of traitors. This is why I see my actions as faultless. Because this isn’t an act of imperialism but an act of preservation. America is full of hypocrites who will blast my actions as the sole result of racism and hatred of other countries, despite the extensive evidence of all the problems these invaders cause and will cause. People who are hypocrites because they support imperialistic wars that have caused the loss of tens of thousands of American lives and untold numbers of civilian lives. The argument that mass murder is okay when it is state sanctioned is absurd. Our government has killed a whole lot more people for a whole lot less.

Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I can’t bring myself to kill my fellow Americans. Even the Americans that seem hell-bent on destroying our country. Even if they are shameless race mixers, massive polluters, haters of our collective values, etc. One day they will see error of their ways. Either when American patriots fail to reform our country and it collapses or when we save it. But they will see the error of their ways. I promise y’all that.

I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems. Also because it’s completely unnecessary and selfish. 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics form interracial unions at much higher rates than average. Yet another reason to send them back. Cultural and racial diversity is largely temporary. Cultural diversity diminishes as stronger and/or more appealing cultures overtake weaker and/or undesirable ones. Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here at least as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country. The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self-determination within their respective territories.

My death is likely inevitable. If I’m not killed by the police, then I’ll probably be gunned down by one of the invaders. Capture in this case if far worse than dying during the shooting because I’ll get the death penalty anyway. Worse still is that I would live knowing that my family despises me. This is why I’m not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo. If I’m captured, it will be because I was subdued somehow.

Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day. My ideology has not changed for several years.

My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.

Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just the beginning of the fight for America and Europe. I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction.
 
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