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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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NOTHING on this planet will ever solve gun violence. NOTHING. Anyone that says otherwise is wrong.
Yes but there *might* be some rational things we can set as limits to prevent insane things from happening i.e. mass stockpiling of weapons, etc. I can't see how one person needs 3,500 guns. That's beyond the pale of reason.

Reasonable limits, not total all-out bans are the idea here and I don't know why it's appearing controversial from both sides of the very divided aisle
 
You for real are suggesting no limits? Despite the Vegas shooter with 60 semi-automatic rifles, or the BH bust with 3,500 guns and homemade shit too like really?

Well I think a limit of 1 is too restrictive. Someone might fully legitimately be a hobby gun enthusiast who has a collection. Someone might have various hunting rifles and a handgun. So maybe you set the limit at 10 or something... I can't see having 10, 60, or 3500 guns having much difference on your ability to massacre people. Are you really gonna get through 10 guns before someone stops you or everyone runs away? 60? What the fuck are you gonna do with 3500 guns? If someone wants to shoot people, 1 gun is already damn effective.

Although your point about stockpiling is true if someone is trying to coordinate a mass effort involving a bunch of people using the guns.
 
Yes but there *might* be some rational things we can set as limits to prevent insane things from happening i.e. mass stockpiling of weapons, etc. I can't see how one person needs 3,500 guns. That's beyond the pale of reason.

Reasonable limits, not total all-out bans are the idea here and I don't know why it's appearing controversial from both sides of the very divided aisle
There isn't even a "might". Mass stockpiling of weapons isn't gun violence. The act of harming/killing someone with a gun IS. You can't shoot 3500 weapons at a single time.

You only need 1 gun to cause violence.
 
Of course 1 is too restrictive. That's why I asked you to put a number on it or come up with something else reasonable that could logically appeal to the other side of the aisle. I think we're both interested in saving human lives and creating a safer society, right? We might just have different notions/ideas/images of what that is/might look like? So let's talk it out. Because clearly Congress won't and Trump is angering the NRA (LOL) so it looks like SANCTIONS AND GUN CONTROL ARE COMING so be careful everyone.

Dude read up on the Vegas shooter. YES YOU CAN GO THROUGH 10 SEMI-AUTOMATIC RILES MASSACRING PEOPLE AND PICKUP ANOTHER 10 AND THEN ANOTHER 10 WITH ANTOHER 40 NEAR BY READY TO GO.... Please do some reading if you're not familiar with this case, this was real, it happened, and it might be time to address it.

Are you really gonna get through 10 guns before someone stops you or everyone runs away? 60? What the fuck are you gonna do with 3500 guns? If someone wants to shoot people, 1 gun is already damn effective.

YES YOU CAN REALLY GO THROUGH TEN GUNS WORTH.

I am sorry to burst your bubble. "1 is already too effective" Is a VERY poor argument. Please, please, please read up on the mechanics of how he took out over 60 people.

I know it's grizzly, I know a more light-hearted PLUR-ish person isn't going to want to go and face these facts head-on, but they're real and I encourage you to do so. Please.
 
.Dude read up on the Vegas shooter. YES YOU CAN GO THROUGH 10 SEMI-AUTOMATIC RILES MASSACRING PEOPLE AND PICKUP ANOTHER 10 AND THEN ANOTHER 10 WITH ANTOHER 40 NEAR BY READY TO GO.... Please do some reading if you're not familiar with this case, this was real, it happened, and it might be time to address it.

This doesn't matter at all. Why have 10 weapons, when I can have 10 magazines? All you have to do is reload, and that takes less than 2 seconds. Plus, there were multiple shooters at Las Vegas. There were TONS of video's (which are probably taken down now), showing multiple muzzle flashes coming from different rooms.
 
This doesn't matter at all. Why have 10 weapons, when I can have 10 magazines? All you have to do is reload, and that takes less than 2 seconds. Plus, there were multiple shooters at Las Vegas. There were TONS of video's (which are probably taken down now), showing multiple muzzle flashes coming from different rooms.
Chris are you familiar with the Paddock case?

In the mind of someone trying to do maximal damage, carnage, destruction, those extra 2 seconds are another...what... 8-10 bullets rattling out? You're the gun-user tell me. I wouldn't know, I'm not a gun nut (though I LOVE PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION for you gun nuts!!!! <3 I'd rather spend my money on drugs, travel, bills, food, more drugs, more drugs, more drugs, more travel, more drugs... than I would a gun)... but seriously.

How many people did Paddock kill? You're telling me that the extra 1, 2, 5, 10+ people or whatever that could have been saved had he just been reloading every 2 seconds is like no big deal?

I dunno man. I'm thinking there's a centrist solution to try to set rational limits that I think most Americans could live with (especially if you let the gun nuts keep their 5-10 guns and they can still have selfies with them and go blow shit up in the woods on beers and laugh about it I THINK WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE); the left want to ban semi-autos. The right including Massacre Mitch want NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER.

Are you guys really going to play those two extremes against each other?

On the night of October 1, 2017, at 10:05 p.m., Paddock opened fire from his hotel room, room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, onto a large crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip, killing 58 people and wounding 851 others before shooting and killing himself.

EIGHT HUNDRED FIFTY ONE PEOPLE were wounded. 58 people dead.

Gee, if even like 1 to 2% of those people weren't dead/wounded that'd be *a lot less human suffering* why are we so averse to centrist solutions.... WHY ISN'T HILLARY PRESIDENT *Millennial Snowflake Meltdown ensues*
 
There were TONS of video's (which are probably taken down now), showing multiple muzzle flashes coming from different rooms.
Wait what? So you're arguing Paddock didn't do all of this himself? :? Is this a conspiracy theory?

I'm pretty sure it's a conspiracy theory. They found *all those guns* in his room... come on... like what are you saying?

What?

Hey, at least this is distracting me from three separate losses in my personal life right now so.... entertain me with a story but be careful the FBI might be onto you! ;)

"JFK Was an inside job" next thing you know I'll be tortured in Abu Ghraib ;) so much for the 1st Amendment ;)
 
Chris are you familiar with the Paddock case?

In the mind of someone trying to do maximal damage, carnage, destruction, those extra 2 seconds are another...what... 8-10 bullets rattling out? You're the gun-user tell me. I wouldn't know, I'm not a gun nut (though I LOVE PROTECTING THE CONSTITUTION for you gun nuts!!!! <3 I'd rather spend my money on drugs, travel, bills, food, more drugs, more drugs, more drugs, more travel, more drugs... than I would a gun)... but seriously.

How many people did Paddock kill? You're telling me that the extra 1, 2, 5, 10+ people or whatever that could have been saved had he just been reloading every 2 seconds is like no big deal?

I dunno man. I'm thinking there's a centrist solution to try to set rational limits that I think most Americans could live with (especially if you let the gun nuts keep their 5-10 guns and they can still have selfies with them and go blow shit up in the woods on beers and laugh about it I THINK WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE); the left want to ban semi-autos. The right including Massacre Mitch want NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER.

Are you guys really going to play those two extremes against each other?



EIGHT HUNDRED FIFTY ONE PEOPLE were wounded. 58 people dead.

Gee, if even like 1 to 2% of those people weren't dead/wounded that'd be *a lot less human suffering* why are we so averse to centrist solutions.... WHY ISN'T HILLARY PRESIDENT *Millennial Snowflake Meltdown ensues*
It is going to take 2 seconds to switch weapons regardless. You have to drop the old one, and then pick up the new one. 2 seconds is 2 seconds. Whether you are changing guns or changing magazines.

Thats not a conspiracy. Videotape doesn't lie. You dont need to believe me, I couldnt care less. I watched TONS of videos on YouTube right after it happened. It was CLEAR there was a second shooter.
 
No offense, but if someone wants to do damage, they will.

Of cousrse the rest of us will gladly give up our freedom, so a few idiots(who want to shoot people) can be accommodated.

What's that you say? "we could punish those who disobey afterwards?" Naw, better to diminish the freedom of many than punish the few who disobey...
 
It is going to take 2 seconds to switch weapons regardless. You have to drop the old one, and then pick up the new one. 2 seconds is 2 seconds. Whether you are changing guns or changing magazines.

Thats not a conspiracy. Videotape doesn't lie. You dont need to believe me, I couldnt care less. I watched TONS of videos on YouTube right after it happened. It was CLEAR there was a second shooter.
So the 2nd shooter got away....??? I'm confused? What's the belief in your mind? Like tell me a story.

Youtube videos aren't exactly a great source of information IMO.

So why did Paddock HAVE AND USE all those guns? And not just reload? Perhaps he was older, and his fingers may have been more nimble at just picking up another gun than reloading? Not everyone is in tip-top shape and was in the military fighting bravely overseas like you buddy ;) <3
 
So the 2nd shooter got away....??? I'm confused? What's the belief in your mind? Like tell me a story.

Youtube videos aren't exactly a great source of information IMO.

So why did Paddock HAVE AND USE all those guns? And not just reload? Perhaps he was older, and his fingers may have been more nimble at just picking up another gun than reloading? Not everyone is in tip-top shape and was in the military fighting bravely overseas like you buddy ;) <3

It was a False Flag. Also, the guns he "used", were not the ones actually used in the shooting. They said he used AR-15s in the shooting with bump stocks, but the rate of fire was too slow for that to be the case. Another gun was used (which apparently wasn't even on scene.) The M240 was. Having used both of these weapons before, its clearly obvious.
 
8( How do you explain his suicide 10 minutes into the attack? How do you explain the missing HD, the kid porn they found, the fact his brother had *tons* of kid porn.... I mean... come on. From my perspective he seems like he really did this.

I don't care what fucking guns he used or if he had an accomplice that switched out the guns because #fakenews I don't care because major changes to gun laws aren't coming (the best we can hope for is logic and reason to help guide the legislators' hands... :\) and does it really matter when that many people are injured?

So you're saying w/ the AR-15's he couldn't injure 851 people and kill 58 in 10 minutes. Can you use math to back that up?

p.s. I REALLY WANT A m249 :( so awesome

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8( How do you explain his suicide 10 minutes into the attack? How do you explain the missing HD, the kid porn they found, the fact his brother had *tons* of kid porn.... I mean... come on. From my perspective he seems like he really did this.

I don't care what fucking guns he used or if he had an accomplice that switched out the guns because #fakenews I don't care because major changes to gun laws aren't coming (the best we can hope for is logic and reason to help guide the legislators' hands... :\) and does it really matter when that many people are injured?

So you're saying w/ the AR-15's he couldn't injure 851 people and kill 58 in 10 minutes. Can you use math to back that up?

p.s. I REALLY WANT A m249 :( so awesome
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I never said he DIDNT do this. I also never said the AR 15 couldnt injury/kill that many people in 10 minutes. They simply lied about what gun was used (probably to fit their narrative). The rate of fire was COMPLETELY OFF. Another gun was used, anyone with military experience (who has shot those weapons) would know.

If you were to look into this, you would see that wayyyy too much is off. And I don't have all day to explain every little thing. You're more than welcome to look it up yourself. :)
 
WAIT WHAT so you're just saying they lied about the kind of gun... for... arbitrary reasons to ban bump stocks?

The rate of fire = haven't they published an official report that would analyze such stuff?

Why does it matter what kind of gun was used? I want MG/semi-auto rights just as much as the other, it's all 2nd amendment issues and we need to debate this rationally. I think your whole "they did this to ban the bumpstocks" argument is weak considering you can probably just 3D print one up or buy one from some nut who probably stocked up on them prior to the shooting? Right?

I imagine people in the know still have access or can make their own. Is anything of any real value lost here?
 
You have to understand from my perspective this belief you have, conspiracy theory or actual truth actually is irrelevant... it seems to serve the "don't tread on my 2nd amendment" agenda pretty well, does it not? Can't you see a logical man's problem with it?

And I'm a huge proponent of protecting the 2nd amendment... so don't get me wrong... I just think your contentions are irrelevant and pointless at the debate at hand. No offense chris you know I think the world of your service and work in the community you're a cool guy.
 
You have to understand from my perspective this belief you have, conspiracy theory or actual truth actually is irrelevant... it seems to serve the "don't tread on my 2nd amendment" agenda pretty well, does it not? Can't you see a logical man's problem with it?

And I'm a huge proponent of protecting the 2nd amendment... so don't get me wrong... I just think your contentions are irrelevant and pointless at the debate at hand. No offense chris you know I think the world of your service and work in the community you're a cool guy.
Like I said brotha, ive already seen the evidence before they deleted it all. TONS and TONS of stuff have been deleted off the internet/YouTube because it showed (and proved) to much. I really wish I could show you, but its already gone. I understand why you don't believe it now, which is understandable (because it's not there anymore).

So I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. Which isn't a problem haha.
 
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