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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

Well after some thought my opinion on why he did it has changed. He probably had PTSD and just wanted to die. Suicide by cop.

This is why I believe in the right to die, and for everyone, not just people with deadly diseases and 6 months or less left to live :\

I often wonder if people like this had a way out (i.e. barbiturate overdose) they wouldn't take others out with them. 8(
 
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html

He had an illegal extended magazine WHAT'S THE GUN CONTROL LAWS DOING? Absolutely nothing. Everyone should be allowed to have a 15 round clip if the guy who's going to kill 15 people gets one.

The argument "The criminals will always get guns" IS TRUE.

This guy likely just wanted to die and if we had the right to die this may not have happened. JFC. And even still people look at me like I'm crazy for advocating for the right to die.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Well after some thought my opinion on why he did it has changed. He probably had PTSD and just wanted to die. Suicide by cop.

This is why I believe in the right to die, and for everyone, not just people with deadly diseases and 6 months or less left to live :\

I often wonder if people like this had a way out (i.e. barbiturate overdose) they wouldn't take others out with them. 8(
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Why make excuses - didn't he shoot his way into that crowded club to murder a lot of innocent people?
 
How am I making excuses?

This seems like a needless tragedy that otherwise could have been avoided.

Most people are really timid. Some others aren’t. If you all force them to live a life they don’t want to, some bad things are bound to happen. People with chronic mental disease need options. Netherlands and Switzerland are a bit better off with the right to die. I think only in the Netherlands can people request doctor assisted suicide.
 
I think mass shootings are more than people wanting suicide by cop. Most people, if they want to die, will kill themselves and don't desire to hurt others. Most people don't shoot up random people just so they can get killed by a cop. I very much doubt that making physician-assisted suicide legal would have prevented this.
 
Shadowmeister said:
I think mass shootings are more than people wanting suicide by cop. Most people, if they want to die, will kill themselves and don't desire to hurt others. Most people don't shoot up random people just so they can get killed by a cop. I very much doubt that making physician-assisted suicide legal would have prevented this.
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Fair enough. As I have PTSD I tend to think differently.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
He had an illegal extended magazine WHAT'S THE GUN CONTROL LAWS DOING? Absolutely nothing.
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These laws do not work. Glock mags are so common you can buy them anywhere. I don't know the specifics of the law but this is a .45 so 10 is indeed the standard but a 9mm would hold 15+ from the factory. My carry gun holds 16+1 standard but if I cross an imaginary line in the sand with it then it suddenly becomes an illegal item. Bans on magazines do not work and will never work. All they do is encouraged people to re-sale them in other states at a jacked up price. Mags for my AR in standard capacity (30 rounds) are $5 each from the local military surplus store. If I loaded my truck with as many as I could carry and took them a few hours north I could sale them for $20-$50 each.

The problem isn't the guns, it's society driving people fucking insane. I'm not surprised this was a Vet, I've worked with a lot of Vets and nearly all of them are medicated to the gills on benzos. One of my former supervisors couldn't even deal with being in a sparsely populated area due to his PTSD. Every person walking down the street was a potential enemy combatant. I'm sure I'd be the same way if I'd spent as many years in the sand pit as he did.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again (to equal ineffectiveness no doubt).

It takes maybe 2 seconds to reload a modern firearm. I don't see magazine capacity limits ever working to any real effect unless perhaps that limit were 1.

Even then, it'd still only work if you combined it with a buyback, and that's just not gonna pass congress. No way no how. Focus on gun control that will have the best effect that actually has a hope in hell of passing. Asking for too much gets you nothing.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
These laws do not work. Glock mags are so common you can buy them anywhere. I don't know the specifics of the law but this is a .45 so 10 is indeed the standard but a 9mm would hold 15+ from the factory. My carry gun holds 16+1 standard but if I cross an imaginary line in the sand with it then it suddenly becomes an illegal item. Bans on magazines do not work and will never work. All they do is encouraged people to re-sale them in other states at a jacked up price. Mags for my AR in standard capacity (30 rounds) are $5 each from the local military surplus store. If I loaded my truck with as many as I could carry and took them a few hours north I could sale them for $20-$50 each.

The problem isn't the guns, it's society driving people fucking insane. I'm not surprised this was a Vet, I've worked with a lot of Vets and nearly all of them are medicated to the gills on benzos. One of my former supervisors couldn't even deal with being in a sparsely populated area due to his PTSD. Every person walking down the street was a potential enemy combatant. I'm sure I'd be the same way if I'd spent as many years in the sand pit as he did.
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People with PTSD should have some benzos on hand for extreme panic or for every day use with intermittent breaks if their condition allows for it. It's a great medication.
 
We do have a "right to die", as there are no laws against suicide. However, suicide is a true tragedy in itself. While there is no law against something like jumping off a bridge, if I saw someone to jump off a bridge....... I would call the police immediately. And if they continued to try to jump, I'd try to stop them. If I ended up going off the bridge with them somehow, then I would know that I made a sacrifice as a human being trying to help another human being....... to try to save the life of another. I consider myself a Christian, and that's "love thy neighbor as thyself" in my opinion. I don't believe that "right to die" laws would prevent mass shootings. If an individual had a gun, they could simply shoot themselves rather than killing others. So, I do not believe that mass shooter are suicidal...... but homicidal and have a disregard for their own life. I'm not sure how humanity could solve the nightmare of mass shootings, but "right to die" laws wouldn't do anything in my opinion.
 
LandsUnknown said:
I don't believe that "right to die" laws would prevent mass shootings. If an individual had a gun, they could simply shoot themselves rather than killing others. So, I do not believe that mass shooter are suicidal...... but homicidal and have a disregard for their own life.
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LandsUnknown, I feel you present some good points. However, I don't think it's a simple thing to understand why someone shoots a bunch of people and then commits suicide, is captured alive, or killed. In this vein, the mass murderer might not even know why they're motivated to do what they do. I believe they probably don't.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
People with PTSD should have some benzos on hand for extreme panic or for every day use with intermittent breaks if their condition allows for it. It's a great medication.
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Not against this just stating the fact that he was heavily medicated on them. The one day he forgot them at work thankfully we were near a VA clinic. I had to convince him I was a friendly under his command to get him into the clinic.
 
was there another mass shooting today? its so hard to keep up with all of them lately.


i don't think right to die would help either. People that do this are jealous of the rest of society that doesn't hate their life, this is their revenge.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
We may never know his true motive, but I tend not to imagine this.

Yes, there was another shooting. I was the breaking news reporter. ;)
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Yeah it could be a number of things. I remember I read the Isla Vista shooters entire manifesto and he kept going on about revenge on society so it kind of stuck with me

He was actually a decent writer
 
Pretty much all of the student school shootings are about revenge against their peers, as well. To me it speaks of a revenge/twisted sort of "justice" motive, otherwise, why murder a bunch of innocents along with yourself?
 
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