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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

JessFR said:
A sword isn't a knife, a sword IS made to kill people, even more so than a gun is made to shoot people. But I've never heard anyone seemingly have a moral issue with a swords mere existence in their home doing nothing.
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I imagine a sword kept in a kitchen for the rare, but desperate, instances where one brings home a GIANT TOMATO!
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I imagine a sword kept in a kitchen for the rare, but desperate, instances where one brings home a GIANT TOMATO!
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Hahaha! Clever. Still laughing as I write this.

I bought a sword once because of very frightening neighbor I had. Never really wanted to use it, though, even when he pounded on my door late at night for no reason and even tried to force the lock.

I'm sure people have already said it in this discussion before but I'm not sure if weapons (guns in this case) are the issue: it's how quick people are to use them.

Hahaha. Giant Tomato...
 
I always wanted a sword because I played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid and stuff like that. I still want a sword. I have a long dagger with an ornate dragon hilt and hand guard which is bad ass but a sword would be even cooler. I always imagine the sheer shock factor if someone broke in and I charged down the stairs yelling, brandishing a sword. =D
 
Probably the surprise would be so much their fight or flight response would send them back seconds in time, providing ample room to strike.
 
treezy z said:
I'm exactly the same make anything but WMDs legal. You might be joking, I'm not.
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I'm not kidding either and I think pretty much along those lines. Anything short of germ/nuclear warfare should be fair game to own. I even support allowing people to own small reactors for power generation. I'd much rather generate power with water but that's already illegal here for small farms. The only reason I'm even allowed a Dam is because mine is grandfathered in.

On the subject of swords: I've owned a few in my time. They're fun. Just be careful if you decide to play with them. I had a friend that was a little too enthusiastic with his and did some damage to another friend while they were having a mock battle one day. They used to try to get be to play but I knew better after watching them swing away at each other. Both of them are lucky to still have both arms.
 
I can see it now: History class in the 2500's, students learning about an historic larping battle that took place across three continents. In the end the victor was a white wizard.

Unfortunately most battles can't be solved without guns/bombs...

Can they?
 
iridescentblack said:
Unfortunately most battles can't be solved without guns/bombs...

Can they?
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There will come a time when the guns and bombs will be considered crude weapons that inflicted too much pain. The enlightened armies of 2,500 will not have a need for such things. Why bomb a population when you can release modified viruses that only kill people deemed undesirable? Why launch lead projectiles through the air when you can just blast them with microwaves that instantly boil them from the inside? Who am I kidding, we have those type of weapons right now, they'll probably have things you can't even imagine by 2,500.
 
@spacejunk: sorry it took me so long to get back to you.

spacejunk said:
I can't imagine being happy if i lived in a place that was so scary (and i was so legitmately scared of home invasions) that i'd need a machine gun. Or even a handgun.
I guess i'm just accustomed to living in places that (even at their sketchiest) aren't violent or dysfunctional enough to require firearms for self defence.
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to be quiet honest i am not allowed to own a gun but if i could (and if i did) i would own one not for defense against the dangerous people but the normal ones (they seem to be the most unpredictable). to me what i said and your above quote is one and the same. it's the people i don't trust, the guns are harmless and you know what the dangerous people will do and can account for it. i also am accustomed to living in those same kind of places and never found a need for one, ironically i was held up in the suburbs by suburb types over weed.

spacejunk said:
Maybe this is more about societal discord and/or attempts to force rural "frontier values" onto a population/world (an urbanised world) where they are no longer really relevant.
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you lost me there but the one above this one and next quote proceed and follow this one respectively. if it's about americans forcing their way of life on others then we really suck at it cause it's so noticeable (sarcasm here and to follow), in today's world practically all countries are doing this though. a lesson learned from those here who are feeble minded or something lacking in the self restraint department of those other countries? (i think it's a people and not a country thing, as in all people are getting to be this way instead of connection as a species but i digress).

if it's about frontier times then that to me is as weak as those who cling to the 2nd for dear life.

spacejunk said:
I don't have a dog in this fight though, really. I know that it's too late for the USA to legislate effective "gun control".
But that doesnt mean that i see the love for guns as being anything other than pathological.
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i agree with the outlook but it's not too late even though it seems that way to both of us, maybe that's me being too sensible or wishful thinking. let's not forget about the insect alien overlords ;).

spacejunk said:
But it is extremely interesting to me that when obama was in power, everyone's excuse for being armed to the teeth was "to protect from government tyranny".
Now that government tyranny is the reality, people say "home invasions!"
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right. it's the same ol song and dance, just like eggs. last year they were good for you, this year they're not. last presidency it was tyranny, next one it's home invasion. wishy washy isn't it?! a few posts after yours on the last page cduggles brought up some solid words that really had nothing to do with clutching at the 2nd amendment for dear life nor for home invasion or tyranny. it was how one person was affected by one of these tragedies, where they are on the stance of gun ownership and what they think is best based off of observation and thinking things through. that is a positive exception if i've ever seen one (and one that got swept under the rug IMHO)

spacejunk said:
Sure - but do people have to justify why they'd rather not have a gun in the house? I mean, look at the response to alasdair's comment a few posts back.

Just sayin' - i appreciate not being in a country full of people with so many weapons and fears.
It seems to me that "civil rights" are selectively applied - look at the attacks on the civil rights im recent times on muslims, immigrants and women, for instance.
A lot of people don't care so much about other people's civil rights - just their own. The ones that justify their own interests/values/beliefs.
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no they don't and thank you for pointing this out, i feel really bad for not posting something on alisdairm's behalf because i took it for granted that people would be more accepting in the conversation if not of the person that not everyone owns a gun. i'm the weirdo cause i assumed it's ok that not everyone owns a gun.

those who care about their own civil rights above all others is really getting aggravating. it goes against what rights and freedoms stand for. we stand as a people who are very diverse but can learn to accept the differences and live in agreement on what's best for everyone (though it seems of late this has been forgotten).

spacejunk said:
I guess what i'm saying is that the proliferation of guns removes other civil rights and civil liberties - the amount of unarmed people that get killed by police, for instance, is a pretty serious flow-on effect of gun culture.
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i would say you lost me there but i know the end isn't as important as the beginning is. that's another problem, people here think it's ok to pigeon hole one right above another, it's not. taking something one point at a time is one thing, saying one right is above any other is stretching it thin for those who advocate this way.

spacejunk said:
But i dunno - when i visit america, i don't feel as safe as i do in other parts of the world. Simple as that.
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swagger and guns are two different things fwiw. i smell fear on all people from all walks of life, it's called life (it's big and it's scary) but i get what your saying about fear in general in this quote and the following sentences. america is really a different way of life, even recently. a lot of old people drawl on about walking up hill both ways in the snow. those who do know what they're talking about speak of the way of life not the hardships.

if it's all the same to you i'm gonna ignore the rest of your post in response to treezy z. i think you and i can agree that cat is trying to bark up a tree. but between the last two quotes of yours i would wanted to say... well said. i like your look on things.

if we take away clinging to guns, clinging to the 2nd amendment, clinging to home invasion and clinging to tyranny what's left?
 
merp or fap?

cause it was already mentioned (and thats ok) but you gotta get off the single line express.

i'm not going to sugar coat this one like those here will. if your so paranoid about the government taking all guns then you must've been one of those lil boys who held on to his pecker for dear life thinking someone or something was going to come along and snatch it off and run away with it forever.

let's put the argument of government is gonna getcha, the government is gonna getcha, the government is gonna getcha..... tonight! to the side for now by me saying it aint gonna happen cause i wont let it.

nough said!
 
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^ the best responses.

treezy z said:
It's amazing how often the "insecure, d**kless" argument is resorted to by people who are bad at debating.
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like omg, there you go bringing up paying attention to d**ks again.

and you pointed out that you like to bring up the same thing over and over again.

both of those are exactly the same things i said to you but you said back to me in your own words. that is absolute proof the government is coming for our guns and we need them to overthrow the tyrannical government. thank you for showing me the error in my thinking.

btw i was speaking of your mentality not what's in your pants. like i told swilow, i'm keeping it above the belt.

this isn't a third world country, the government here has more than rifles and pistols. plus guns don't work against things that don't go bang and that we can't see. (this subject was spoken of many pages ago)
 
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