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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

Not every crazy mofo is a mad scientist m8 I?m just saying.

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What was ur question exactly I probably missed it at some point
 
It's true fear has been a useful element if our evolution. It's essential in other animals and we aren't as far removed from them as we'd like to think. But we can calculate and rationalize in ways they can't, and fear usually leads to a worse decision than understanding. Panic even more so.

Is fear better then doing nothing? Sometimes, sometimes doing anything is better than doing nothing. But it's a poor substitute for understanding and rational thought.
 
I think it?s funny how many people gun deaths kill and people get all afraid but speed in their cars and probably DUI on the weekends.

Media really does shape ur mind some way
 
My perspective leads me to other avenues of thought like psychiatric meds kill more 100,000 ppl a year and is never talked about by the media. I feel like if we lived a truly free society there wouldn?t be such an agenda against such a minor issue compared to medical malpractice, or pharmaceuticals, like even the opoid/crack epidemic doesn?t get the air time it deserves.

I almost feel like there isn?t enough freedom
 
undiminished689 said:
I think it?s funny how many people gun deaths kill and people get all afraid but speed in their cars and probably DUI on the weekends.

Media really does shape ur mind some way
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It does indeed. Statistically murder and crime in general has been falling for decades now across the developed world. Yet most people would swear the opposite is clearly the case cause that's the impression the media gives you. Good news isn't good news.
 
JessFR said:
I think what you just said is silly. And hey that's not meant personally, just as a comment on what you just said. A gun, like many machines, is well, a machine. Like many it can kill people very easily. But it can do absolutely nothin by itself. So fearing a gun, or any machine in itself, is just silly. You can argue that having a gun makes someone you already feared more frightening, but fearing the gun as a gun is just stupid.

Arguing it's designed to kill, yes that's arguably a difference, but why does that difference make any difference? It's still a machine that can't do anything on its own. Fearing people, again I think in some respects is a little unhelpful, but to the extent that that's pretty normal, you're fearing a mind. And a gun has no mind to fear. You might feel more fear of someone for having a gun, but that's still fearing a person not an object.

I said it's arguably a difference because design is a question of perspective. A gun is designed to detonate a cartridge. Arguably the cartridge is the part designed specifically to kill, but even that is somewhat misleading since many are designed for most to incapacitate with little consideration to actually killing the person one way or the other. If a bullet is less likely to kill but more likely to incapacitate a target, that's generally the intended purpose for the entire law enforcement and self defense market. Even in military that can still be a goal since injuring a person without killing them deplete enemy resources. For most purposes a gun is intended to disable with little regard to death. If someone is as good as dead but can still kill you that's not very useful.

My point is, all of this is just perception. It's in your head. It has little objective basis in reality. Arguably the same could be said somewhat for fear itself.

It's like fearing a nuclear bomb. You're afraid of physics. Don't fear physics, if you must fear, fear the reasons they might get used. But this is why I said it's not helpful. What's helpful is understanding the situation so good decisions can be made, and fear is nothing if not a cause of poor decisions.
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Well you're right, It's people with guns who have harmful intentions one should fear, rather than a piece of metal that has no ability to operate itself. However, it's true to say that guns exist to hurt and kill things, that is their exclusive purpose. A car can also hurt and kill people (in fact they do kill far more people), and they can even be used as very deadly weapons on purpose, but the difference is that cars can also allow us to travel great distances at high speeds which is invaluable to us. Imagine a machine that is invented which, when aimed at a person, stops their heart. Would it be a good idea to have such a machine, whose only purpose was to kill and which could do so extremely easily/effortlessly, available to the public?

For those new to this thread, I don't think guns should be taken away, I have shot guns a good bit in my life when I was younger, it's pretty fun, though I don't own any. I do not think they should be disallowed, but I do think there is a big difference between small magazine weapons like handguns, hunting rifles and shotguns, and large magazine semiautomatic or automatic military-grade weapons. Like the imaginary machine that stops a heart, the potential for harm is much greater with some guns than it is with other guns. It's the same reason there are laws against cars being on the road that are too powerful.
 
Actually bullet design is very interesting.

I think the Las Vegas shooter had tracer rounds, in fact. Tactically problematic because they give away shooter location, but they increase shooter accuracy.

Were people looking up in LV? With the chaos would LE have been moreso looking at people on the ground exiting? Who knows? I'm sure someone probably not authorized to talk about it does.

Bullets are made in interesting and sometimes unpleasant-to-discuss ways. But very technically interesting.
 
Solid info about a nuke being corrosive I felt like I knew that but never would have thought of it like that.

I fired tracer rounds before as well the air very very helpful in redirecting your aim ^^^^
 
Was in the navy and worked with marines.

We did live firing before. It?s very cool to shoot automatics. I would love want every man woman to shoot automatics at some point in their life
 
tathra said:
active shooter at youtube hq

https://www.newsandguts.com/breaking-active-shooter-youtube-headquarters/
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Fucking hell :(
I can't say i'm forward to the flood of conspiracies that are going to flow out of this one.

I hope there haven't been too many casualties, and my thoughts are with the people who work there.
I always feel so hollow saying things like that - because it goes without saying, basically. But how can you respond appropriately to these sorts of senseless killing sprees?
 
spacejunk said:
Fucking hell :(
I can't say i'm forward to the flood of conspiracies that are going to flow out of this one.

I hope there haven't been too many casualties, and my thoughts are with the people who work there.
I always feel so hollow saying things like that - because it goes without saying, basically. But how can you respond appropriately to these sorts of senseless killing sprees?
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Early reports I've seen suggest a female shooter with a motive that couldn't be less related to YouTube. But given conspiracy theorists have a tendency of being incapable of seeing the fact that even the most unlikely coincidences are statistically certain to occur, I'm sure you're right.
 
If more than one person knew about the shooting then it is a conspiracy.
 
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