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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

The US doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel regarding gun violence and the evidence based problem solving measures that have been successfully implemented and are now long standing elsewhere in the world. This isn’t astrophysics or nuclear science. It was, though, declared a public health crisis by The American Medical Association years ago in 2016, and has been the leading cause of death for ages 1-19 (children) in the US for 3 years in a row. Amnesty International deems it a human rights crisis as well. In the linked article, they discuss the global problem and statistics-of which it’s old news that the US remains a grotesque representation-and notes insights into successful prevention strategies and harm reduction efforts implemented abroad. Stay informed and safe out there.

www.amnesty.org

We need to prioritise people over guns.

We have the right to be safe from gun violence.
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org
 
The establishment doesn’t care about public health, only taking guns. I’m against any ‘’’common’’’sense gun measures. I don’t support any further regulations. I used to, but the slippery slope is real. And these people want to turn us into Australia or Germany, and we can’t let that happen.

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BlossomsBlooming said:
and has been the leading cause of death for ages 1-19 (children) in the US for 3 years in a row.
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Lol :shrug: lumping children in with teenagers skews statistics pretty damned hard doesn't it? Lots of five year old kids are ODing on fent now too right? Gotta stop those evil dopers, ban drugs, they're peddling to children. THE CHILDREN!!!
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Lol :shrug: lumping children in with teenagers skews statistics pretty damned hard doesn't it? Lots of five year old kids are ODing on fent now too right? Gotta stop those evil dopers, ban drugs, they're peddling to children. THE CHILDREN!!!
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I don’t follow? Your stats logic isn’t…logical. What evil dopers? The ultimate goal of this very forum is Harm Reduction regarding recreational drug use and medication usage obtained outside prescribing entities. I’m impressed by your spelling and proper use of punctuation though.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
Lol what a gloriously deranged meme. I love the Vegas one…they knew he had “big gun stashes”! Uh, so? It’s your god given right, hell your RESPONSIBILITY, as a ‘murikan to have big gun stashes!
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Nope it’s your god given right to own a gun if you choose to. These choices are what bring fear to the authoritarian.
 
He has a boat that his car was found near that part of the water, and Maine is like half forest, so he's dead in the forest from suicide, dead in the water from same, or still alive somewhere
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Fent doesn't shoot up kids in schools
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Please tell me this pun was intentional 🤔

So are you saying an inanimate object cannot kill people on its own volition then? If so, I concur.
BlossomsBlooming said:
The ultimate goal of this very forum is Harm Reduction regarding recreational drug use and medication usage obtained outside prescribing entities
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Yes. I was being sarcastic, or rather, facetious.
BlossomsBlooming said:
I’m impressed by your spelling and proper use of punctuation though.
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Might I inquire as to why?
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Please tell me this pun was intentional 🤔

So are you saying an inanimate object cannot kill people on its own volition then? If so, I concur.

Yes. I was being sarcastic, or rather, facetious.

Might I inquire as to why?
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How about people aren't shooting up kids with fent in schools but they definitely are with bullets
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Lol :shrug: lumping children in with teenagers skews statistics pretty damned hard doesn't it? Lots of five year old kids are ODing on fent now too right? Gotta stop those evil dopers, ban drugs, they're peddling to children. THE CHILDREN!!!
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If we follow your argument here, the fact that so many teenagers are being shot on school grounds that they have skewed the numbers enough for it to be the leading cause of death for ALL Americans below age 20 is even more concerning.

Personally, I think that gun violence being the leading cause of death is a major issue whether or not the people dying are age 6, 16, or 65.
Simple things like universal background checks, a short waiting period (even a week) to purchase a gun, a federal gun registry, and mandatory basic safety training (Even a $100-200 3 hour class, with the proceeds being used to fund mental health treatment or the gun registry or something) could easily solve these issues without taking away anyone's guns.

Most of these shooters are known to LE and have histories of severe untreated mental illness and/or violent behaviour.
Despite LE's incompetence, I'd imagine that a lot of them would have been stopped by a background check.
If not that, then the waiting period & mandatory safety training would both be good deterrents.
Some people will still go to the black market, but few teenagers will have the patience or connections to do so.
Plus a federal registry could help to combat this.

My country (Canada) has all of these, and gun violence was a much smaller issue than the USA even before Trudeau decided to start banning a bunch of guns (Which I personally disagree with)
Furthermore, most gun crime here is from illegally smuggled firearms from the USA.
If the US implements some common-sense gun regulation they can solve all of this without even having to "take away" anyone's guns.
 
arrall said:
If we follow your argument here, the fact that so many teenagers are being shot on school grounds that they have skewed the numbers enough for it to be the leading cause of death for ALL Americans below age 20 is even more concerning
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It is indeed concerning, and I believe it speaks more to the nature of youth culture and poor parenting (which is odd in an age of helicopter parenting); also if I’m not mistaken most youth firearm violence is perpetrated off campus grounds, and with handguns, which anyone under 21 years of age is already prohibited from purchasing or owning outside of active duty service members.

This problem really began in the 80s/90s and I’m not sure why it is happening nor how to tamp down on something that is already illegal and highly regulated. Increasing the severity of punishment for parents who provide their teenagers with handguns or those who illicitly sell them to said youths would be a start but even though the trafficking of handguns is illegal as all get out and can send you to federal prison for a long time, it continues to occur, even in Canada like you said. There are lots of safeguards for straw purchases, the ATF flags any purchase of multiple handguns from a retailer as is, and yet it still occurs.

But you know, I don’t see any way people can come to any reasonable agreements about where to start with said issues. Parents are gonna be bad parents. Traffickers are gonna traffic. Personally I think somehow we need to address the culture of violence that pervades high schools throughout the U.S. from the inner city to the suburbs and the rural schools because we see it everywhere. But I honestly don’t know how to address it. I don’t understand the cause of it frankly.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I believe it speaks more to the nature of youth culture and poor parenting (which is odd in an age of helicopter parenting
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Then why is this issue only happening in the USA?
Canada, the UK, and Australia all have very similar cultures yet none of these countries have even a significant fraction of the school shooting deaths that America has.

Cream Gravy? said:
if I’m not mistaken most youth firearm violence is perpetrated off campus grounds, and with handguns, which anyone under 21 years of age is already prohibited from purchasing or owning outside of active duty service members.
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We’re talking about school shootings.
And most mass shootings are perpetrated with rifles.

Cream Gravy? said:
Personally I think somehow we need to address the culture of violence that pervades high schools throughout the U.S. from the inner city to the suburbs and the rural schools because we see it everywhere. But I honestly don’t know how to address it. I don’t understand the cause of it frankly.
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Why can’t we do that AND implement basic things like universal background checks.
What is wrong with checking for a history of severe untreated mental illness and violent criminal offences before selling someone a firearm?
 
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