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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

From an article on ABC News ...

DENVER -- A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering.

ABC news article

I'm think this guys was genuinely mentally unstable unless his mother was gay as well...

What a world.
 
I am no sure in what sense this is comparable to common sense gun laws or what ever you call it, but I have thought once drugs will be sort of legalized, some of them will still be illegal in same manner as groceries are regulated.
If we've got MDAI, MDA, MDMA and APBs and MAPBs, I don't see the point of not abolishing PMA, which is more of a poison than a good drug. I consider it more of a service to customers. Same with ultra-potent opioids. Solely the risk of cross-contamination isn't insignificant. I can't see anyone complaining.
But this is more of a discussion of philosophics than making analog of good practices when it comes to gun laws.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
From an article on ABC News ...

DENVER -- A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering.

ABC news article

I'm think this guys was genuinely mentally unstable unless his mother was gay as well...

What a world.
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Well is tragic no doubt, but a prime example of you can take guns away, but a mother fucker can always improvise an explosive, big enough homemade bomb will take out more than 5 people in a nightclub
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Well is tragic no doubt, but a prime example of you can take guns away, but a mother fucker can always improvise an explosive, big enough homemade bomb will take out more than 5 people in a nightclub
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Once again more hypothetical imaginary murders that didn't actually happen while trying to justify not doing anything about a tragedy that did happen.

In other news, this incident was the 601st mass shooting in the US this year. I wonder how many successful mass bombings have occurred?
 
Las Veghost grower said:
but a prime example of you can take guns away, but a mother fucker can always improvise an explosive, big enough homemade bomb will take out more than 5 people in a nightclub
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except he didn't!

he used a gun to kill 5 people and injure 25 more.

you are literally making exactly the opposite point i think you think you're making :)

alasdair
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Well is tragic no doubt, but a prime example of you can take guns away, but a mother fucker can always improvise an explosive, big enough homemade bomb will take out more than 5 people in a nightclub
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Yeah but he used a gun in the nightclub, and only threatened with a bomb. The Columbine shooters tried to blow up the school and that failed. It takes a certain amount of expertise to make homemade explosives large enough to create a mass casualty situation, where it takes little expertise to do do with a firearm. Successful bombers tend to have military training or connections to organizations with bomb making expertise/the ability to source commercial military explosives. The main exception to this that crosses my mind is the unabomber, who killed two fewer people than in that nightclub over a 17 hear bombing campaign.

Cheshire_Kat said:
I'm think this guys was genuinely mentally unstable unless his mother was gay as well...
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I don't see how these are mutually exclusive. He was definately mentally unstable, most people who are even very homophobic won't shoot up a gay club. However, I don't think threatening his mother makes it any less likely that the gay club was targeted for its provenance.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
DENVER -- A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering.
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Yeah you know, even without a red flag law in place, this should have prevented him from legally purchasing weapons. You’d think having the bomb squad have to talk you down would immediately get you some sort of violent charge that the NICS would flag when you went to buy a firearm. I guess no charges were filed against him?
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
There were 488 fatal shootings in Chicago alone this year, although not all were mass shootings.
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Some people choose not to ever mention these statistics because they're afraid it will make them appear racist. Kind of like how people have no problems bashing Christianity but won't ever say a word about Islam. They don't care about the actual issues, only appearances.

As I say every time something like this happens, there are only two options to the gun violence dilemma. Either amend the constitution to make it more clear there are exceptions to gun ownership (otherwise what I'm about to say would never hold up in court), THEN do a voluntary buyback, THEN start doing raids and shutting down gun manufacturers. Of course, this most certainly would lead to some sort of civil war. (Not exaggerating about that either)

OR accept that this is the country we live in. And that we have to do the best we can with what we have. Start getting serious about mental health issues amongst young men instead of writing them off. Start implementing programs and legislation that will give hopeless and angry individuals a way to find purpose and regain their dignity.
 
mal3volent said:
OR accept that this is the country we live in. And that we have to do the best we can with what we have. Start getting serious about mental health issues amongst young men instead of writing them off. Start implementing programs and legislation that will give hopeless and angry individuals a way to find purpose and regain their dignity.
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This.

I am not really anti-gun, I enjoy shooting them and believe in being able to defend yourself. However, every time there is a shooting I see so many arguments about how guns are not a contributing issue in shootings.

If people started saying "These deaths are the cost of having these freedoms in the current social climate." I would respect that.
 
Skorpio said:
If people started saying "These deaths are the cost of having these freedoms in the current social climate." I would respect that.
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Indeed, these deaths are the current cost of freedom in this social climate. It’s sad but true :(
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I used to believe racist ass stuff. But thanks to my wife and getting out and meeting other humans of every sex, color, creed, etc. I learned to accept others and forego such illogical thoughts.
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This is awesome!
Cream Gravy? said:
Albeit, I still don't like humans (on the whole) so I plan to live as far from a city as I can once I have the money for a house and some land.
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Totally 100% agree! I want to move to Alaska so I can get the fuck away from other humans.
Snafu in the Void said:
We have plenty of very outdated laws here that need to be modernized. Hell, even our constitution needs a few ammendments modernized.
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Hell yeah! It was written 235 years ago. Things have changed a lot, it’s time to modernize our laws.
Cream Gravy? said:
just a lot of teenagers killing people, just because they're angry for whatever reason, and see no future for themselves.
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I was talking about this in the other thread. My teens are definitely angry, and they have a right to be. In terms of jobs, climate change, the possibility of a nuclear Armageddon, etc…the future ain’t so bright. I think teens are usually angtsy anyway (I was) but they definitely have cause to be angry.

Fucker Carlson is a symptom of what’s going on in America; he spews hateful rhetoric, but he’s just reflecting back what these folks actually think. There’s a market for this kind of content, because a certain demographic that ISNT teens is also angry and fearful.
 
I enjoy shooting a gun. I’m pretty leftist and I support the second amendment. I don’t think anyone is tryna “take away” guns. We just want sensible gun laws so that they don’t wind up in the hands of crazed maniacs. Lots of places you can just walk into a gun store, walk out with a gun. I think there should be background checks, a waiting period, etc.
 
xtcgrrrl said:
I enjoy shooting a gun. I’m pretty leftist and I support the second amendment. I don’t think anyone is tryna “take away” guns. We just want sensible gun laws so that they don’t wind up in the hands of crazed maniacs. Lots of places you can just walk into a gun store, walk out with a gun. I think there should be background checks, a waiting period, etc.
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There already is a background check requirement. The loophole is when the seller is not a licensed gun dealer. This usually happens with gun shows
and online sales. This loophole should definitely be closed. But as far as I know in the majority of mass shootings the shooters bought guns legally passing the background check.

Of course even then the only things that bar someone are felony convictions and any domestic violence convictions. So one can actually have mental health red flag encounters with the law but if they don’t result in one of those types of convictions, it doesn’t bar someone from owning a gun. This puts the percentage of guns bought without a background check around 13%: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ercentage-gun-sales-are-done-without-backgro/
 
There isn't actually a loophole tho. Some call it the gun show loophole, but it's just a private sale between two people that was done at a gun show. Businesses who have booths at shows still do background checks

If I want to sell my buddy a gun, I don't need to do a FBI background check. Obviously I need to check if they're a felon, but a private transaction wherever it occurs is different than a licensed dealer selling a gun
 
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