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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Electrum1 said:
There isn't actually a loophole tho. Some call it the gun show loophole, but it's just a private sale between two people that was done at a gun show. Businesses who have booths at shows still do background checks

If I want to sell my buddy a gun, I don't need to do a FBI background check. Obviously I need to check if they're a felon, but a private transaction wherever it occurs is different than a licensed dealer selling a gun
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How does one check if someone is a felon without conducting a background check?
 
“Under federal law, for sales of firearms by holders of a Federal Firearms License (FFL), such as gun stores, pawn shops, outdoors stores and other licensees, the seller must perform a background check of the buyer, and record the sale, regardless of whether the sale takes place at the seller's regular place of business or at a gun show. Firearm sales between private individuals who reside in the same state – that is, sales in the "secondary market" – are exempt from these requirements. For private sales, under federal law any unlicensed person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the same state as long as the seller does not know or have reasonable cause to believe that the purchaser is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law.”

I don’t see how you can not consider it a loophole when it allows people to easily circumvent the background check procedure.

However many states have already addressed this:
“Twenty-two states and the District of Columbia have laws that require background checks for some or all private sales, including sales at gun shows. In some of these states, such non-commercial sales also must be facilitated through a federally licensed dealer, who performs the background check and records the sale. In other states, gun buyers must first obtain a license or permit from the state, which performs a background check before issuing the license (thus typically not requiring a duplicative background check from a gun dealer).” (All quotes form Wikipedia)
 
I mean it’s pretty much a moot point anyway as I don’t know of a single mass shooting where a gun was obtained that way. And though there may be some in the past, it would be a tiny percentage. So there’s no evidence that changing the federal law to require background checks on every purchase, including private ones, would have any effect on mass shootings.
 
Electrum1 said:
Just look a the county clerk of courts website or state to see their convictions, or call law enforcement and ask them
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Lol, and do this for all 50 states?? Wouldn’t the background check be easier at that point?(regarding the first suggestion, which would work, except you’d have to go one county at a time across the nation and not all counties even have this online, the second suggestion is just silly.)
 
I mean, just do it for the state you're in. From your post above it sounds like I could pretty much just say "I didn't know they were a felon" though I wouldn't try that obviously

For private sales, under federal law any unlicensed person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the same state as long as the seller does not know or have reasonable cause to believe that the purchaser is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under federal law.”
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And while we’re on the topic, why is the felon ban considered legitimate by people who argue that further restrictions are unconstitutional? By the actual wording of the second amendment, ANY infringement on the rights of the people to keep and bear arms is a violation. So what is the reasoning behind the felon ban being constitutional while further restrictions are not? It seems to me that for better or worse the second amendment has already been throw out the window.
 
I've watched/listened to the "Gun Control" discussion/debate for six decades. There have been plenty of good points made on the left, right, and center of this issue.

My conclusion? Nothing matters. All arguments are moot-- at least in this country. In America we have accepted the fact that about 45,000 or more people will die every year from gunfire.

Get over it.
 
jasperkent said:
I've watched/listened to the "Gun Control" discussion/debate for six decades. There have been plenty of good points made on the left, right, and center of this issue.

My conclusion? Nothing matters. All arguments are moot-- at least in this country. In America we have accepted the fact that about 45,000 or more people will die every year from gunfire.

Get over it.
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I think we have.. I heard about the Wallmart tragedy today and barely listened to the story. Im desensitized to the filth at this point and also I find I have little to no curiosity in learning the story behind why someone chose to do this. They are pathetic and the actual act is pathetic morbid boring.

I'm sure id be resensitized in a heart beat if I became a victim of one.

Sending love to the all the victims of these tragedies. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Speaking of grocery store deaths.. how many people do those little motorized shopper carts kill a year. No I'm not going to grab a stranger more food because your to obese to get outa your fat rascal and reach for it.
 
I know multiple people
jasperkent said:
I've watched/listened to the "Gun Control" discussion/debate for six decades. There have been plenty of good points made on the left, right, and center of this issue.

My conclusion? Nothing matters. All arguments are moot-- at least in this country. In America we have accepted the fact that about 45,000 or more people will die every year from gunfire.

Get over it.
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Well I think that’s because when it comes to gun control anything short of severely drastic restrictions e.g. Australia wouldn’t accomplish much in terms of gun violence numbers. And most Americans are against that level of restriction. Needing to have a “genuine reason” to get a firearms license which does not include self-defense is wild. What better reason could one have than self fucking defense??
 
neversickanymore said:
I think we have.. I heard about the Wallmart tragedy today and barely listened to the story. Im desensitized to the filth at this point and also I find I have little to no curiosity in learning the story behind why someone chose to do this. They are pathetic and the actual act is pathetic morbid boring.

Sending love to the all the victims of these pathetic acts. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Speaking of grocery store death.. how many people do those little motorized shopper carts kill a year. No I'm not going to grab a stranger more food because your to obese to get outa your fat rascal and reach for it.
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Do they actually ask you to grab them things??? Yeah that’s crazy that the actual cure for their condition is to WALK, the fucking rascal is only hastening their death.
 
RDP89 said:
Do they actually ask you to grab them things??? Yeah that’s crazy that the actual cure for their condition is to WALK, the fucking rascal is only hastening their death.
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Exactly, you would be amazed.. all the time. I just pretend I cant hear them because of my ear buds. Im a decent size. 225lbs/~100kg and often times the fat rascals thigh diameters are well over my waste diameter.

If they are elderly or have another clear injury/ disability Ill grab whatever they want, but if they are morbidly obese to the point of not being able to function or move to procure their food, then its not the time to eat more. When you think about it its like a blind ass dead drunk asking you to hand them a bottle from a liquor store shelf because they have consumed so much alcohol they can no longer crawl to the shelf.
 
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Electrum1 said:
Lmao wtf. This is the Colorado shooters pornstar father, Dick Delaware

Guess the last time he saw his kid he was 10

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As soon as I read that he was a pornstar and had been on Intervention, I knew I remembered watching that episode. At the time he wasn’t doing much porn, he was jerking off for like 16 hours a day while high on meth and his girlfriend was still doing porn and making all the money. Apparently the rehab didn’t work as the guy still appears to be quite the methhead. What a bizarre fucking interview.
 
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neversickanymore said:
Exactly, you would be amazed.. all the time. I just pretend I cant hear them because of my ear buds. Im a decent size. 225lbs/~100kg and often times the fat rascals thigh diameters are well over my waste diameter.

If they are elderly or have another clear disability Ill grab whatever they want, but if they are morbidly obese to the point of not being able to function or move to procure their food, then its not the time to eat more. When you think about it its like a blind ass dead drunk asking you to hand them a bottle from a liquor store shelf because they have consumed so much alcohol they can no longer crawl to the shelf.
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That’s insane. I have seen people like that before but very rarely. Where do you live that thisnis a common occurrence??(Shit, not trying to derail the thread, but you have me fascinated by this)
 
RDP89 said:
As soon as I read that he was a pornstar and had been on Intervention, I knew I remembered watching that episode. At the time he wasn’t doing much porn, he was jerking off for like 16 hours a day while high on meth and his girlfriend (also being intervened on) was still doing porn and making all the money. Apparently the rehab didn’t work as the guy still appears to be quite the methhead. What a bizarre fucking interview.
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Lol, makes me think of that LivePD video that your avatar is from. That was pretty good
 
Electrum1 said:
Lol, makes me think of that LivePD video that your avatar is from. That was pretty good
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Lol, yeah, that guy was fucking nuts too.(the ham guy) He was actually on Live PD twice. The other time he was even more fucked up on spice and he got arrested outside some store and resisted quite a bit.
 
jasperkent said:
In America we have accepted the fact that about 45,000 or more people will die every year from gunfire.
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About 60% of those “45000” are suicides. They simply do not count. Suicide itself is a right, that’s not gun violence. That’s suicide.

I hate that they count suicides on those “death tolls”, when 1) humans have the right to terminate themselves and 2) it’s clearly an anti-firearm lobby tactic to sway voters and inflate their numbers for their own malicious designs.

So roughly 18000 yearly deaths by firearms. That’s honestly not many. I can live with it. There’s about 350 million people in the U.S. most die from cancer and automobiles but we don’t seem to care about that.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
About 60% of those “45000” are suicides. They simply do not count. Suicide itself is a right, that’s not gun violence. That’s suicide.

I hate that they count suicides on those “death tolls”, when 1) humans have the right to terminate themselves and 2) it’s clearly an anti-firearm lobby tactic to sway voters and inflate their numbers for their own malicious designs.

So roughly 18000 yearly deaths by firearms. That’s honestly not many. I can live with it. There’s about 350 million people in the U.S. most die from cancer and automobiles but we don’t seem to care about that.
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Oh yes, I forgot about that fact. Yeah, putting that number out there without clarification is misleading.
 
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