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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Snafu in the Void said:

www.businessinsider.com

A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes

A string of mass shootings in New York, Texas, and Oklahoma is causing Rep. Don Beyer to seek an aggressive tax on AR-15 style weapons.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

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A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes​

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I could just buy a kit and build my own for ~$500 to avoid that
 
Electrum1 said:
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LMAO. Here's a screenshot since I assume the DA will delete the tweet

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It’s like addiction, instead of tryna stop every single manufacturer and supplier, stop the cause of addiction at the source. The need to use.

Like sure, regulation might certainly decrease the TOTAL amount of weapons around, but it wouldn’t stop the fact that people would still have em and use them wrong.

Black markets feed off regulation. The more regulated, the more some people find other ways to get them. Especially if they have a motive such as malicious intent.
 
Ketamania said:
Also, let’s just pretend somehow guns didn’t exist anymore.

The human nature to kill is still there.

Certain people with certain motives will, no matter what, use any means possible to kill. They’ll find a way. The problem isn’t just the weapon, it’s the person.
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TRUTH 💔
 
I wish they would drop the "assault weapons" rhetoric. Its so much bullshit as anyfuckinthing can be an assault weapon. It is the intent and this cannot be banned without some serious medication or other invasive means.
 
Ketamania said:
I haven’t given a *ton* of thought into this topic, but if drugs are still sold and used illegally even though they’re banned, wouldn’t guns just follow suit?
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Yes but the majority of mass shootings that have taken place have been done with legally obtained assault rifles.
the idea that people who want to kill will always find means and ways to kill that is true to a degree but in the same way that putting up suicide nets and blue lights on popular suicide spots studies have shown that people who set on a path to do something when they meet an obstacle often their plans are derailed

this is why something as simple as a 5 day waiting period is often enough to move that person out of the crucial window where they are in the “red zone” of violence

that is why having to do something like find and source an illegal gun, go out of state And buy one at a gun show, etc these obstacles often allow the individual to move out of the impulsive red zone and save lives?

is it perfect? Do they save everyone Or stop every shooting? No but incremental changes that save some lives are better then this hands up in the air defeatist attitude towards guns that seems like the stance of the nra and gun lovers

This is why making. bombs is not on the same level as going and buying a gun and going on a shooting spree all in the same day. the sourcing of materials and how long it takes to make the explosive device; all of these things are built in speed bumps whereas buying an assault rifle still in a fog of rage does not allow for the angels of our better natures to prevail

will these things deter all acts of violence; NO

but will they stop some of them? Yes

it seems like gun control is this weird topic where people search not for solutions but for ways solutions won’t work.
Banning assault rifles ? They can bomb a schoolyes yes they can but the goal is not perfection it’s progress

I like guns
But I don’t feel like my enjoyment of them should be more important then making common sense changes like high capacity magazine restrictions and special waiting periods ie; built in cool down periods

people point to countries where there are no guns and yet there are still knife attacks the damage between an ar-15 with several full capacity magazines and a knife is not something I should have to explain
 
jane douloureux said:
the idea that people who want to kill will always find means and ways to kill that is true to a degree but in the same way that putting up suicide nets and blue lights on popular suicide spots studies have shown that people who set on a path to do something when they meet an obstacle often their plans are derailed

this is why something as simple as a 5 day waiting period is often enough to move that person out of the crucial window where they are in the “red zone” of violence
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a good point.

i've been told a couple of times that homemade bombs are easy and would kill more people. so why haven't there been 200 bombings so far in 2022? why do the perps always choose a gun?

i've yet to hear an answer.

and "let's try a 5 day waiting period" is, to me, at least an attempt to find a solution. "there's nothing we can do" is part of the problem.

alasdair
 

Buying a Gun in NJ?​

Buying a Gun in New Jersey? If you want to purchase a gun there, there are many—many—steps you must go through, and the process can take a long time.New Jersey has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country. If you want to purchase a gun there, there are many—many—steps you must go through, and the process can take a long time.
According to a statement by State Police Capt. Stephen Jones, “The things you have to go through here are probably a lot more extreme — or a lot more thorough, I’ll put it that way — than in any other state.”

How to Legally Purchase a Gun in New Jersey​

To buy any firearm in New Jersey, you must first complete an Application for Firearms Purchaser Identification Card (Form STS-33) as well as the attached Handgun Purchasing Permit at your local police department or registered firearms dealer. You must also provide contact information for two character witnesses who can attest to your mental health. You must also complete a Consent for Mental Health Records Search application from the local police department. All this information, along with your driver’s license and Social Security card, is then taken to the police department, which will conduct a thorough background check, including a review of the mental health records and personal references provided.
If you successfully pass these checks and requirements, you will be issued a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card. This process can take up to 30 days or longer, depending upon how busy the local department is at the time and how persistent you are. State law requires the department to respond within 30 days, but that is often ignored and they may take several months to respond. So stay on top of your application.


The card enables you to buy a rifle, shotgun or pellet gun, assuming you also pass a National Instant Criminal Background Check mandated by the Brady Law at the time of purchase.


But all of that still does not permit you to purchase a handgun.

NJ Gun Permit​

To buy a handgun in New Jersey, the process is a separate but similar. You must submit Form STS-33 along with the Handgun Purchasing Permit. (Some of the newer state forms includes this as part of the STS-33). If you are issued a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card to purchase a handgun, you will be limited to a single purchase within a 90-day period. Each subsequent purchase requires you to go through the entire process each time.

Capt. Young explained, “Handguns are much more often used in the commission of a crime than a long gun, a rifle or a shotgun, because of the nature of concealment. A handgun is easier to hide, so it’s harder to get one.”

Concealed Carry in NJ​

But being approved to buy a handgun does not mean you can carry it around with you. You must then obtain a separate permit to carry the firearm. And that is a completely different process, with additional layers of checks. To start, you will need to complete an Application for a Permit to Carry a Handgun (Form SP-642).

You must also provide a written letter that demonstrates a “justifiable need” to carry—such as evidence of “serious threats”—in order to obtain a concealed carry permit. You will also need to provide three character witnesses who can testify as to your “sound moral character.” Then you must be able to demonstrate a “thorough familiarity” with the safe handling and use of handguns, as evidenced by completion of a firearms training course, submission of handgun qualification scores, or passage of test on New Jersey’s use of force laws.

And don’t even think of carrying a handgun in New Jersey with a permit issued by another state. New Jersey does not have laws which allow individuals with valid permits to carry a handgun from anyother states to carry a handgun in New Jersey.
 
I think rules on obtaining firearms are great, but rules on the firearms themselves like assault rifle bans are stupid and unconstitutional
 
^^^The NJ laws indicate that some cop gets to decide whether or not you 'need' a handgun and a carry permit... why the fuck should anyone have to provide a need to carry? I carry because other people are crazy and I want to be safe, but that's not good enough in NJ/NY. Well that's fine, if New Jersey citizens enjoy living in fear and tyranny, they can live there, and I'll stay in a state that cares about its citizens' safety.

It's just irksome that carry licenses never reciprocate with cities/states that have the most violent crime. Can't take my gun to Chicago, can't take it to New York, can't take it to Los Angeles. So because I'm from a different state, I should have to walk the streets there unprotected, naked? No thank you!

Many, many Americans live in locations where police response time can be upwards of thirty minutes. I really don't see why any of them should have to rely on hiding in their closet and hoping they don't get murdered while they wait.

And I'm so sick of the 'assault weapons' rhetoric, and the 'high' capacity magazine rhetoric. It's fucking semantics and if you can't understand why someone needs a full capacity magazine or a rifle capable of engaging multiple hostiles then you're living in a fantasy land.
 
im not one to ever say anything good about NJ but that's how it was and you just really didn't have to worry about anybody having a gun

there's no bluffing in Jersey like they do here - if you're talking like you're ready to fight, you better be ready to go - here it's the opposite - a lot of talkers but no action

people still had weapons on them in NJ, so you still gotta be careful - a lot of people carried a knife - but a gun, not usually something you need to consider, although you probably still should

ppl love to fight there - it kinda sucked to go out because there's always that likelihood of a fight breaking out - that was something i liked about moving here, i knew for the most part im not getting into a fight
 
Cream Gravy? said:
^^^The NJ laws indicate that some cop gets to decide whether or not you 'need' a handgun and a carry permit... why the fuck should anyone have to provide a need to carry? I carry because other people are crazy and I want to be safe, but that's not good enough in NJ/NY. Well that's fine, if New Jersey citizens enjoy living in fear and tyranny, they can live there, and I'll stay in a state that cares about its citizens' safety.

It's just irksome that carry licenses never reciprocate with cities/states that have the most violent crime. Can't take my gun to Chicago, can't take it to New York, can't take it to Los Angeles. So because I'm from a different state, I should have to walk the streets there unprotected, naked? No thank you!

Many, many Americans live in locations where police response time can be upwards of thirty minutes. I really don't see why any of them should have to rely on hiding in their closet and hoping they don't get murdered while they wait.

And I'm so sick of the 'assault weapons' rhetoric, and the 'high' capacity magazine rhetoric. It's fucking semantics and if you can't understand why someone needs a full capacity magazine or a rifle capable of engaging multiple hostiles then you're living in a fantasy land.
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Just so ya know, my brother is quite the gun collector - he's got an AR15 there - he follows all the rules as a proud NRA member and resident of NJ at the the same time

he doesn't complain either

so....

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My grandfather grew up around there during the depression, and he carried tightly rolled up newspapers so he could jab people in the stomach when they fkd with him. Pretty effective
 
oh dude everybodys got something on them over there - ya gotta be careful


@Cream Gravy? doesn't know - he just likes to shit on NY because that's just what Texans do


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