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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Flynnal said:
Yep. It's time for the US to adopt reasonable and sane gun policies like we have done in Australia.

But good luck with that, because culture, because an obsession with guns and wars has tainted the American psyche en masse.

We never had a cultural obsession with firearms, and that's why Australia was able to render reasonable and sane gun policies, unlike most of the USA.
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Cmon this is all taken out of proportion

OK OK US got 16 times as many mass shootings as Germany, that sounds like a lot.
But the country is also 28 times bigger than Germany and has over 4 times our population, with many more cities and sites for school shootings.

Australia you only have a fourth of the population of Germany, and about the same number of mass shootings as Germany,
so you actually got many more mass shootings proportional to your number of people.
By Adam Riese that's 4 times as many as Germany, which makes the rates of your mass shootings pretty much on par with the USA.

so no, gun laws don't really help that much. In Germany you just get people running amok with an axe instead, for example.
still shit, when nobody has a gun to defend the kids. just my opinion.
maybe parents making the guns absolutely inaccessible for kids would help, but it would not stop the issue at the core,
because the issue at the core isn't guns, but it's education and intersocial contact with our fellow humans.
the issue are kids being made fun of and being bullied all their time at school, by students and often even teachers.
 
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Would you like to reference all these so called 'mass shootings'December? I can only think of 1 The Port Arthur massacre..which led to our strict gun laws .Enlighten me...
 
Flynnal said:
Yep. It's time for the US to adopt reasonable and sane gun policies like we have done in Australia.

But good luck with that, because culture, because an obsession with guns and wars has tainted the American psyche en masse.

We never had a cultural obsession with firearms, and that's why Australia was able to render reasonable and sane gun policies, unlike most of the USA.
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Go support your covid camps

Hurry!
 
AussieJoe said:
Would you like to reference all these so called 'mass shootings'December? I can only think of 1 The Port Arthur massacre..which led to our strict gun laws .Enlighten me...
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I used numbers since 1960
There's a bunch actually, it just gets high proportionally because of your very low populazion
 
www.reuters.com

Canada introduces law to freeze handgun sales, ban look-alike toys

Canada's government introduced legislation Monday to implement a "national freeze" on the sale and purchase of handguns as part of a gun control package that would also limit magazine capacities and ban some toys that look like guns.
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Canada introduces law to freeze handgun sales, ban look-alike toys​


Oh boy, I don't really think this is such a good idea...

Conservatives gonna be pissed and make another "freedom convoy".

Personally I'm more worried about what conservatives are going to do in the US. Probably some proxy protests.
 
Fire&Water said:
Go support your covid camps

Hurry!
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Snafu in the Void said:
Canada introduces law to freeze handgun sales, ban look-alike toys
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We don't need no stinking guns! This is the 21st century! It's not like state enacted genocide could possibly ever happen again given our track record as a species over the past.. century.

Maybe if we're really super dooper mega sure that our establishments wouldn't sell us down the river..

Listen to how the elites talk about climate change, resources, population growth, and then look at the sorts of things they've dabbled with over the past century like.. eugenics.. , all done under the guise of 'science' (eugenics was born out of the intellegentsia of the UK/USA). You'd be an absolute fool to voluntarily give up your ability to defend yourself and rely on the state for protection, especially after what's happened over the past two years.

I'd wager money on when not if it will happen, and probably pretty soon by the looks of things.
 
I never had any qualms with how Trudeau handled covid, but this... this just seems like he's trying to piss people off intentionally.

Is the gun violence problem even that big in Canada? lol

Y'all got bears and moose and shit up there.

I foresee this making gun rights advocates in the US even more... extreme
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I never had any qualms with how Trudeau handled covid, but this... this just seems like he's trying to piss people off intentionally.

Is the gun violence problem even that big in Canada? lol

Y'all got bears and moose and shit up there.

I foresee this making gun rights advocates in the US even more... extreme
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Pretty sure handguns are illegal in Canada. No big gun violence. Michigan was pretty quiet until Ethan somebody killed 4 people in a school shooting and we charged the parents with 4 counts of manslaughter. They are all 3 still locked up since the incident. Mom, Dad and their son. Bail is super super high on the parents and Son doesn't have one.
 
"We need only look south of the border to know that if we do not take action firmly and rapidly it gets worse and worse and gets more difficult to counter," he said.

US gun violence is so ridiculous other countries are like... damn... rofl

'murica is becoming the world leader it's always touted itself as in VERY ironic ways
 
-=SS=- said:
Listen to how the elites talk about climate change, resources, population growth....
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I'm kinda tired of being called an "elite."

I've been concerned (and talking about) climate change, pollution, resources, and various other "liberal" issues for over 50 years.

I work my fucking ass off for 12 bucks an hour. I have zero savings, zero investments, zero political power. I'm no goddamned "elite."

Oh, and when did "Conservatives" forget that conservation and conservatism are closely related?
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Do you think if a mother is taking antidepressants/ antipsychotics during pregnancy it could have some negative effects on the child later in life ? If so then it should be pretty alarming how often this is happening and really question the future, cause we are now starting to see a lot of teens/adults who’s parents were on these drugs during pregnancy
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all here. I'm sure nobody knows the long term effects of pregnant women using ADs. My point was that half the arena is blaming mental illness yet doing nothing to repair the status quo of mental healthcare as it exists in the US. Not only do they not want to improve it, they won't even allow people access to mental healthcare as it exists now, otherwise we'd have universal healthcare.

Example: Here in Texas we've prolly had more than half a dozen mass shootings in the past 6 years and our governor Greg Abbott has held that office for 7 years. Texas currently ranks like 49 out of 50 states in mental healthcare. A few years ago Abbott even came out and publicly stated (or tweeted) that he doesn't even believe in mental illness. Fucker believes in some old guy up in the clouds calling shots but not mental illness. But supposedly mental illness and it's medications are to blame for all the shootings.

I feel like I'm repeating myself but I call bullshit. As someone who lives with mental illness it pisses me off that we catch the blame every time some evil fucking incel shoots up the place. As if the stigma wasn't bad enough. Maybe the shooter was bullied and didn't have a dad to teach him how to fight to defend himself, maybe he is ugly and can't get laid, I don't know the reasons why they do it but being bullied or ugly is not a symptom of mental illness. Hell, I've been fighting my whole life and used to get laid a ton 20 years ago, didn't stop me from getting hit with the mental illness lottery. I just don't see enough correlation here. The vast majority of the other mentally ill people I've met in psych wards and what not wouldn't hurt a fly. They are people you prolly see every day at work or in your mosque or at your kids' PTA meeting who just want to go about their lives and be left alone.

And I'm not saying all mass shooters lack mental illness, I'm just saying prolly of 90% or more of folks living with mental illness are not violent towards other people.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
I'm not disagreeing with you at all here. I'm sure nobody knows the long term effects of pregnant women using ADs. My point was that half the arena is blaming mental illness yet doing nothing to repair the status quo of mental healthcare as it exists in the US. Not only do they not want to improve it, they won't even allow people access to mental healthcare as it exists now, otherwise we'd have universal healthcare.

Example: Here in Texas we've prolly had more than half a dozen mass shootings in the past 6 years and our governor Greg Abbott has held that office for 7 years. Texas currently ranks like 49 out of 50 states in mental healthcare. A few years ago Abbott even came out and publicly stated (or tweeted) that he doesn't even believe in mental illness. Fucker believes in some old guy up in the clouds calling shots but not mental illness. But supposedly mental illness and it's medications are to blame for all the shootings.

I feel like I'm repeating myself but I call bullshit. As someone who lives with mental illness it pisses me off that we catch the blame every time some evil fucking incel shoots up the place. As if the stigma wasn't bad enough. Maybe the shooter was bullied and didn't have a dad to teach him how to fight to defend himself, maybe he is ugly and can't get laid, I don't know the reasons why they do it but being bullied or ugly is not a symptom of mental illness. Hell, I've been fighting my whole life and used to get laid a ton 20 years ago, didn't stop me from getting hit with the mental illness lottery. I just don't see enough correlation here. The vast majority of the other mentally ill people I've met in psych wards and what not wouldn't hurt a fly. They are people you prolly see every day at work or in your mosque or at your kids' PTA meeting who just want to go about their lives and be left alone.

And I'm not saying all mass shooters lack mental illness, I'm just saying prolly of 90% or more of folks living with mental illness are not violent towards other people.
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And as per usual I 100% agree with you
 
jasperkent said:
I'm kinda tired of being called an "elite."
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Assuming you're not Schwab posting on his mobile from the WEF conference, then you're just a pleb with an opinion and not a member of the elite.

ps You best hope anthropogenic global warming is complete bullshit. If it's real then the actual elites actual solution of green taxing the middle and lower classes out of existence whilst maintaining their mega polluting corporate industries will solve absolutely nothing... unless... their actual plan involves genocide of the majority of the worlds population.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
So apparently the Uvalde police department has stopped cooperating with the justice department probe into the shooting after several inconsistencies and lies were discovered in their report...

Oh boy
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Just remember that the Biden administration would love to find as many inconsistencies as possibles. The more incompetent you make the police department in this town look, the less you have to talk about gun policy and mental health. The more you can write this tragedy off as a fuck up by someone else. The more you can shift attention away from yourself.

As we've already discussed, all but maybe one or two of those poor kids were dead instantly, within a couple minutes of the guy entering the school. He locked himself in a room. Yes I think they could have done much better, but have you noticed we've already stopped talking about future solutions? All the energy and conversation is now directed towards this...
 
maassive said:
missed that discussion, how can you be sure of that?
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earlier in the thread when the timeline was being discussed. I can't say with certainty but all the facts we know and common sense tells you they were all dead instantly. The person who had to identify their bodies , poor guy, broken down because they were so mangled up. When you spray flesh with hundreds of rounds of bullets at close range , there usually isn't any coming back from that.

The ones that were in intensive care and ended up dying, I've not heard that a quicker response might've increased their chances of survival.
 
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