Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

[Electrum1]

Well, you guys definitely got me thinking now

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

just being 18 and walking into a store and buying an AR15 and walking right out is the main problem here



they should make it like you need a voucher - somebody else that owns the same gun, needs to come in and vouch for you - if anything happens, they pay a price too

that's a good idea right?

 

[Foreigner]

There isn’t a force on earth that would stop me from entering that building, especially if I knew one of the kids, I’d take a cop out to get to the shooter if I had to

We all think we know how we'd respond in that instance but we don't really.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Also, does mental illness not generate anger?

Is anger not sometimes a symptom or result of mental illness?

Sure you could separate them as two different things but I think they go hand in hand sometimes.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

We all think we know how we'd respond in that instance but we don't really.

Nah man, I know exactly how I would act…

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

just being 18 and walking into a store and buying an AR15 and walking right out is the main problem here



they should make it like you need a voucher - somebody else that owns the same gun, needs to come in and vouch for you - if anything happens, they pay a price too

that's a good idea right?

I would think that there would be a built in delay of some sort regardless of who is purchasing this type of firearm.

 

[Electrum1]

Also, does mental illness not generate anger?

Is anger not sometimes a symptom or result of mental illness?

Sure you could separate them as two different things but I think they go hand in hand sometimes.

Yeah I mean both sound true. I'm trying to separate them because if being angry could be a diagnosed mental illness, then it could be abused.

Say I get angry at the grocery store so I get declared mentally ill and the police take all my guns.

I get it with someone who is dangerously irate and acting violent fairly often, but where would the line be with making it a medical diagnosis? Feels like it could be abused to punish people for other things

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

yea but you can still get through life without a gun

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

ya wanna own a gun, then you better calm down - right?

don't be flipping out at the grocery store because they're out of skim milk

 

[thegreenhand]

In discussions of mental health and violence I think it’s important to note that people with mental illnesses are actually less likely to perpetrate violence than the normal population

It certainly is not normal human behavior to commit a mass shooting. But I’m not sure lumping them in with all mentally ill individuals is the right thing to do

 

[maassive]

Massshootings = (G x P)
where:
G = Guns
P = People who don't give a fuck ( due any number of factors including inherent Human Nature)

It's not rocket surgery.

So you agree at least half of the equation is, in fact, guns.

absolutely, without the millions of new guns being manufactured each year, the problem will be exponentially less.

 

[Electrum1]

 

[Jabberwocky]

this says the cops were waiting in the hallway? I thought they were waiting outside the school...

also it does not mention at all the police who went into the school to remove their own children which has been confirmed to have happened

does not mention police barring parents from retrieving their kids

does not mention the argument police had with the border patrol

seems to leave out a lot of confirmed details, what is the source of this?

those coward cops trying to save face

also... the police station is only 3 minutes away from the school:

 

[Electrum1]

this says the cops were waiting in the hallway? I thought they were waiting outside the school...

also it does not mention at all the police who went into the school to remove their own children which has been confirmed to have happened

does not mention police barring parents from retrieving their kids

does not mention the argument police had with the border patrol

seems to leave out a lot of confirmed details, what is the source of this?

those coward cops trying to save face

also... the police station is only 3 minutes away from the school:

Got it from @BNONews on Twitter. Says it was released by Texas police, so it makes sense they would "forget" to mention the cops getting their kids out, and stopping parents.

Can't believe how many details have changed. What an amazing display of all around incompetence

 

[Jabberwocky]

Police: We can't go in there while those children are slaughtered, we might get injured in the line of duty, I might get a boo boo :'(

Firemen:

who's the real hero...

 

[Electrum1]

CNBC just now ran a headline on TV calling out the cops for waiting in the hallway for so long. So at least more people will see how incompetent the cops were. Maybe they get fired now

 

[Las Veghost grower]

If anything there is blood on those cops hands for failure to act

 

[Jabberwocky]

CNBC just now ran a headline on TV calling out the cops for waiting in the hallway for so long. So at least more people will see how incompetent the cops were. Maybe they get fired now

I understand there is protocol to protect officers in these types of situations as there should be. But maybe that protocol needs to change...

If mass shootings "cannot be prevented", maybe we need to pay cops more to risk a little more of their safety.

We already give them damn military surplus shit... so maybe they should act more like soldiers... like this one risking his life to save ONE little girl in the middle of a gun fight:



Maybe the cost of the 2nd amendment should be offset with a few more police casualties. I know that sounds cold... and easy for me to say... but sometimes drastic problems require drastic solutions.

hell man I'm not anti-cop or a "DeFuNd the PoLiCe" idiot, but I'm outraged that not one of those officers stepped in... they could hear the gunshots and screams for an hour and did nothing, not one of them stepped up until the border patrol guys did

 

[mal3volent]

Sounds like to me the dude was barricaded in a specific part of the school. The people who died were probably killed in the first few minutes, in the same couple of rooms. The majority of the 77 minutes between the time he entered the school and his death was probably a lot of stalling and nothing happening.

The logical thing in my mind is that the shooter was inside one of the classrooms. Police outside in the hallway. Police outside of the school next to the door that was opened. Then a perimeter of more cops in the parking lot and around the school grounds.

Never thought I'd see the day that I was defending a cop, but people need to get real here. Small town cops don't wake up everyday expecting to put their life on the line. You can take whatever oath you want, when the bullets start flying it's a different story. These people have kids of their own who need them. Would you run blindly into a situation like that and risk never seeing your family again?

Well, I took an oath so here goes nothing, don't want people to call me a coward... goodbye world. Would you call a soldier who deserted his unit in Vietnam a coward too? He took an oath... but something tells me it's a bit scarier once you're walking through the jungle waiting to get ambushed, captured, and tortured mercilessly for the rest of your life.

Especially when all of society has seemingly turned their back on them... ACAB...defund the police...but when trouble starts, please Mr. Police Man pwotect me... hmm.

 

[Electrum1]

Hopefully its not a trend due to good cops quitting and would be good cops deciding not to become cops due to the last few years of Defund the Police rhetoric from politicians/media/activists calling all cops bastards and racists.

I definitely wouldn't want to be a cop in this current environment