Mass sexual assaults on New Year's Eve

[socko]

Reactionary thugs take to the streets to attack "foreigners":

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an-man-injured-in-attacks-by-gangs-in-cologne

"Gangs attacked groups of foreigners in four separate incidents on Sunday in Cologne, the city where dozens of New Year’s Eve assaults on women took place, German police have said, as the government warned against letting the incident lead to suspicion of all migrants.

Cologne police said on Monday afternoon that the victims were two Pakistanis, two Syrians and a group of Africans.

Police said they had stopped and checked 153 people on Sunday evening, 13 of whom were known members of far-right organisations and a further 80 of whom belonged to rocker gangs.

They confirmed they had received information in advance about a “peaceful walkabout” by members of far-right gangs planned on social media for Sunday evening"

Looks like an organised plot by hundreds of nazis and assorted malcontents.

I don't care about these people, we should deport or imprison them indefinitely to stop them from destroying our harmonious multicultural communities.

This election cycle, a presidential candidate for the National Front, the French Nazi party, is leading in the polls. It doesn't matter if it isn't even true, but reports like teh NYE attacks scare people into joining the extreme right.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

I do agree with the idea that some refugees need to be accepted in order to diffuse the situation, but I can also agree that Germany probably took on too many refugees too quickly. I view accepting refugees a lot like saving a drowning victim -- You should definitely try to help the person, but be careful that they don't take you down with them.

 

[spacejunk]

This election cycle, a presidential candidate for the National Front, the French Nazi party, is leading in the polls. It doesn't matter if it isn't even true, but reports like teh NYE attacks scare people into joining the extreme right.

Of course - because the extreme right exploit these sorts of things to manipulate people emotionally - with fear and with hate.
It's why we need to look at this situation calmly and rationally - not use it as an excuse to jump on the anti-immigration soapbox.

 

[-=SS=-]

Of course - because the extreme right exploit these sorts of things to manipulate people emotionally - with fear and with hate.
It's why we need to look at this situation calmly and rationally - not use it as an excuse to jump on the anti-immigration soapbox.

Don't see how this is any different to the left and liberal minded people jumping on the "welcome" bandwagon after one photo of that toddler washed up on a beach hit the media, which ironically has caused this whole situation. This is what I meant when I said, and I've said this many times before, if we enact a sensible immigration policy now it will prevent extreme situations in the future. It always gets shouted down as "extreme", as if wanting to control your borders is extreme.. and yet here we are where massive mass uncontrolled immigration has taken place resulting in a situation which will inevitably cause great anger to grow, possibly causing the far right to gain momentum. The whole situation could have been avoided if sensible controlled immigration/processing had taken place.

It's why we need to look at this situation calmly and rationally

This is what was said before Merkel and her "welcome" nonsense happened. People on the right were saying we need to not have knee jerk reactions from one fucking photo of a dead body and do this processing properly.

The left is just as guilty of manipulation and reacting emotionally as the right. In this case it has caused harm to its own citizens. I wonder how many more Colognes it will take for people on the left to finally embrace reality instead of fantasy.

 

[manboychef]

I believe these people that committed these atrocities should be prosecuted and in the case of the rapes should be deported back t o syria, or northern africa. It is up to local, or country government to decide how to handle these types of people. Also, why aren't the united arab emirates taking even more of these refugees?

Yes I believe you should welcome the stranger, but this just shows what unfettered immigration can cause. There is no reason that this refugees should be going to other countries and acting out sharia law of some sort.

 

[zzz101]

we are talking about billions+ of ""refugees"" . this wont end. the millions EU has accepted hasn't even made a tiny dent. this wont stop. we would be able to help a lot more if we provided aid to them in Africa and the Middle East


The thing that is supper annoying, is you have some (inclu women and children) apply for asylum the legit way,from Africa/M.E, that can fit into western society, like the higher educated and civilized ones. Yet, they get declined all the time, they get put on a massive waiting list that doesn't move. Yet all of the males / criminals can walk accross to the EU and walk straight past the border no questions


[edit] and there are many more assaults / sexual assaults popping up in Sweden, the media are being accused of hiding it and covering it all up. it is now gaining more attention from the outcry

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

dress code is different with different Muslims

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam

Your link states nothing about raping a woman due to her not wearing a head scarf. In fact, it explicitly states that only marital rape or rape of slaves is allowed:

"Successful indeed are the believers, who are humble in their prayers and who keep aloof from what is vain and who are givers of poor-rate and who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blamable."

and

"And those who guard their private parts, except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed".

 

[zzz101]

only non-muslims can become 'slaves'

 

[malakaix]

Don't see how this is any different to the left and liberal minded people jumping on the "welcome" bandwagon after one photo of that toddler washed up on a beach hit the media, which ironically has caused this whole situation. This is what I meant when I said, and I've said this many times before, if we enact a sensible immigration policy now it will prevent extreme situations in the future. It always gets shouted down as "extreme", as if wanting to control your borders is extreme.. and yet here we are where massive mass uncontrolled immigration has taken place resulting in a situation which will inevitably cause great anger to grow, possibly causing the far right to gain momentum. The whole situation could have been avoided if sensible controlled immigration/processing had taken place.

Agreed. The extreme left can be just as bad as the extreme right, both perspectives should be considered before making decision's.

 

[gh0stmAn]

This is a story that will bring out the racism and xenophobia in a lot of people. This happened in cities across Germany on New Year's Eve but was made public only on the 5th. Most of the attackers are allegedly of Arabic or North African origin and did not speak any German, according to witnesses and victims. Still, I haven't actually seen any youtube videos or read any of the dozens of police reports. (In an age of ubiquitous cell phone cameras, this leads one to wonder why. Also, given that anti-immigration sentiment is as strong as it is, how reliable are these details?)

We are warned not to link crimes to refugees, but the media always reports numbers that tell their own story. The city of Cologne has brought in around 10,000 migrants over the past year and Germany around 100000. The Cologne mob was made of 1000 men, but it is unknown if any are migrants, according to the mainstream press. Saying it that way makes good headlines and must help sales without the press having to directly blame any group.

On one hand, it is important to help people who are in danger, but how many can be helped before the host country's own infrastructure and ability to protect its own citizens is over run? Is public safety even an issue or should it (stories like this) be ignored?

so you are saying that sense some woman didn't pull out her cell phone while being gang raped by 5 guys and record the faces of these guys that all these 100's of reports are false? Holy crap dude you are so brainwashed by PC culture its almost RIDICULOUS... Do you even know how to think logically?

 

[gh0stmAn]

Of course - because the extreme right exploit these sorts of things to manipulate people emotionally - with fear and with hate.
It's why we need to look at this situation calmly and rationally - not use it as an excuse to jump on the anti-immigration soapbox.

Yeah but it is a two way street my friend. Look at what the extreme regressive leftist utopia would look like :


^^ Spacejunk & Socko probably won't even laugh at this video, they (gender neutral pro-nouns for you spacejunk/socko so i don't offend you guys - oops i mean people) probably think this is a sci-fi movie about a perfect society in the future.

 

[spacejunk]

^ sorry, i don't waste my time watching stupid garbage. Especially with such a charming preface.
Also, leftist politics are generally referred to as progressive.
If you want to call someone "regressive", its the conservative side of things.
But i wouldn't call this sort of nonsense "conservative" - that would be giving it more credit than it deserves, frankly.

 

[tokezu]

Don't see how this is any different to the left and liberal minded people jumping on the "welcome" bandwagon after one photo of that toddler washed up on a beach hit the media, which ironically has caused this whole situation. This is what I meant when I said, and I've said this many times before, if we enact a sensible immigration policy now it will prevent extreme situations in the future.

This seems to me like a very arbitrary choice for a "starting point". Hasn't this whole situation been caused by the war in Syria (and not to forget, the whole of Africa being fucked over by capitalism basically)? I don't really see how this picture you talk about has changed much. Sure the media jumped on it, but other than that from what I can see, the people who were in favour of letting refugees in before thought the same way afterwards and the people being sceptical of letting (too many) refugees in thought the same afterwards.
I don't think anyone will argue with you about the fact that we need a sensible immigration policy... the problem is, it's very hard to agree on what that means in practical terms. However I think we can agree that knee-jerk-reactions don't help anyone in this situation, be it about a drowned toddler or sexually assaulted women.

we are talking about billions+ of ""refugees"" . this wont end. the millions EU has accepted hasn't even made a tiny dent. this wont stop. we would be able to help a lot more if we provided aid to them in Africa and the Middle East

We definitely need to work on the rootcause, but we also need to take a long, hard look at what our "aid" has done in the past and learn from that. From what I can see the way "foreign aid" has been carried out, it cemented the problems in those countries more than anything. Situations like in Syria won't be solved by throwing money at it, but only through changing the priorities of foreign policy.



Edit: Sorry for offtopic but regarding that video: I know americans have come up with their own terminology regarding the political spectrum, where 'liberal' suddenly doesn't mean 'liberal' anymore but 'leftist', seems strange to me but I can live with that. What I really can't wrap my head around is how the policies of mainstream educational institutions, whose only interest lies in not being sued, can be confused with 'leftist' ideas, 'extreme leftist' nonetheless. You do know that 'extreme leftism' is usually reffering to communism and anarchism, don't you?

 

[-=SS=-]

Also, leftist politics are generally referred to as progressive.

Everything is "progressing"; progressive is a useless advertising style word with no real meaning. As if the people on the left somehow know in advance that leftist politics will progress us to a better state.. they have already defined what they see as good well in advance and want us to move towards their little uptopian vision.. it betrays how the leftists think about themselves; totally arrogant fantastical thinking that is detached from reality.

 

[spacejunk]

arrogant, huh?
Whatever mate, enjoy your dreams of a golden age that never existed.

 

[-=SS=-]

This seems to me like a very arbitrary choice for a "starting point". Hasn't this whole situation been caused by the war in Syria (and not to forget, the whole of Africa being fucked over by capitalism basically)?

No. The millions of people who have flowed across from the ME and Africa is the result of weak border enforcement, and in the last year or so through the encouragement of Merkel who invited even more to make the dangerous journey. It is also helped by illegal trafficking gangs too. If you want to stop people drowning or dying on-route to the EU, which was what made up a lot of the emotional cry for just letting them all through, then you have to enforce borders and make it known that unless you have the proper paperwork/processing you will be turned away. Australia did just that, and it has worked. People won't make the journey if they know that if they're caught not doing things the proper way then they will be sent back home..

I don't really see how this picture you talk about has changed much. Sure the media jumped on it, but other than that from what I can see, the people who were in favour of letting refugees in before thought the same way afterwards and the people being sceptical of letting (too many) refugees in thought the same afterwards.

The media jumped on it and then all these "welcome" parades started happening. It was emotional blackmail, and many people got sucked in by it.

I don't think anyone will argue with you about the fact that we need a sensible immigration policy... the problem is, it's very hard to agree on what that means in practical terms. However I think we can agree that knee-jerk-reactions don't help anyone in this situation, be it about a drowned toddler or sexually assaulted women.

Really? How hard do you actually think it is to have a sensible immigration policy? The left does not want to concede defeat on this issue but the truth is that we need a system where we can say "Actually, no, we don't want all the dregs of the world coming here, we'll take this and that person because they have the skills we need to make this country better for its citizens.". Practical points style system, it's not rocket science. If you turn up on our land without the proper paperwork then you get sent back across the channel. It's not that difficult.

The only practical barrier we have to implementing our own system is the fact that we're (UK) a part of the EU.. we can not dictate our own policy because the EU dictates it for us. This is why the referendum is so important for the UK, hopefully happening this summer.

 

[-=SS=-]

arrogant, huh?
Whatever mate, enjoy your dreams of a golden age that never existed.

Haha what a fool. Where did I ever say we had a golden age? Try again.

 

[spacejunk]

multiculturalism will win every time.

Look how far Oswald Mosely got.
The far right are a mob of depressing malcontents - most intelligent people see through their divisive hatemongering garbage.
I'm sorry you don't but it's not my problem.

 

[zombywoof]

Change threatens, and its possibility creates frightened, angry people. They are found in their purest essence on the extreme right, but in all of us there is some fear of process, of change.

 

[tokezu]

Everything is "progressing"; progressive is a useless advertising style word with no real meaning. As if the people on the left somehow know in advance that leftist politics will progress us to a better state.. they have already defined what they see as good well in advance and want us to move towards their little uptopian vision.. it betrays how the leftists think about themselves; totally arrogant fantastical thinking that is detached from reality.

If you want to look at it this way, yes it is a "useless advertising style word with no real meaning". Just the same as 'conservative' is, because as you correctly said "Everything is progressing" so trying to conserve anything is an useless effort. It makes a bit more sense if you try not to think in absolute terms, 'progressive' means that you have a tendency to embrace change while 'conservative' means that you have a tendency to embrace stability.

People won't make the journey if they know that if they're caught not doing things the proper way then they will be sent back home..

The knowledge they may drown on the journey doesn't stop them, but the knowledge they may be turned away at the border will? Sorry, I don't get it...

The media jumped on it and then all these "welcome" parades started happening. It was emotional blackmail, and many people got sucked in by it.

Though not you, right? If you were able to make your own decisions, why would you think they weren't? Maybe they weren't "emotionally blackmailed", but just did what they thought was right? Of course it makes things easier to think that everybody who disagrees with oneself, must have been 'manipulated' and not 'convinced'. But this would be based on the premise that all these people are rather stupid compared to oneself, which is statistically unlikely.

Really? How hard do you actually think it is to have a sensible immigration policy? The left does not want to concede defeat on this issue but the truth is that we need a system where we can say "Actually, no, we don't want all the dregs of the world coming here, we'll take this and that person because they have the skills we need to make this country better for its citizens.". Practical points style system, it's not rocket science. If you turn up on our land without the proper paperwork then you get sent back across the channel. It's not that difficult.

Well, one has to be careful not to conflate two issues here (which I did myself in that post, I have to admit). Are we talking about immigrants or asylum-seekers? When we are talking about "normal immigration" I am not really opposed to a point system, for which the basic premise is "What kind of immigrants do we want/need in our country?". When we are talking about asylum-seekers it's different I think. Here it is not about "What we need", but about our duty towards any human being in need. Of course we still don't have to sacrifice ourselves for this cause, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "We can't take in more than x asylum-seekers", but choosing which of those asylum-seekers would be most useful to us seems cruel to me and a perversion of the concept of asylum.