Mass sexual assaults on New Year's Eve

[-=SS=-]

If you want to look at it this way, yes it is a "useless advertising style word with no real meaning". Just the same as 'conservative' is, because as you correctly said "Everything is progressing" so trying to conserve anything is an useless effort. It makes a bit more sense if you try not to think in absolute terms, 'progressive' means that you have a tendency to embrace change while 'conservative' means that you have a tendency to embrace stability.

I think you misunderstand what converse actually means in the context of politics over periods of time. It means to "protect (something, especially something of environmental or cultural importance) from harm or destruction.". That doesn't mean preventing change, just ensuring that a cautious approach backed by careful consideration is enacted whenever something radical or massively different is proposed.

When something works, like border controls for example, that is not something you want to just negate on a whim.. which is what we have in this context. Had we been a little more conservative in the first place we wouldn't have had a massive influx of unchecked people giving rise to the crimes committed that form the context of this thread.

The knowledge they may drown on the journey doesn't stop them, but the knowledge they may be turned away at the border will? Sorry, I don't get it...

Google Australia and boat immigrants. It works. You won't stop 100% of people making the journey but the majority will think twice before wasting their time, money and potentially their life.

Though not you, right? If you were able to make your own decisions, why would you think they weren't? Maybe they weren't "emotionally blackmailed", but just did what they thought was right? Of course it makes things easier to think that everybody who disagrees with oneself, must have been 'manipulated' and not 'convinced'. But this would be based on the premise that all these people are rather stupid compared to oneself, which is statistically unlikely.

When that photo was posted and when all the welcome bandwagon got rolling, and even well before that, I was always certain of my position on this topic. The photo did not phase me.

Of course we still don't have to sacrifice ourselves for this cause, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "We can't take in more than x asylum-seekers", but choosing which of those asylum-seekers would be most useful to us seems cruel to me and a perversion of the concept of asylum.

OK, so where is the line, what is the limit and who gets to decide it. The governments clearly do not give a fuck about the well being of their own populations or they would have thought this whole thing through with greater clarity and pragmatism. Except for Hungary perhaps.

Regardless of what spacejunk believes you can not ignore this issue thinking it will go away. People will only take so much before they realize the government has put the well being of others beyond that of their own citizens.. and that's when things will turn ugly. The limited skirmishes in Cologne by angry mobs will gain momentum. I don't want to see that happen, no one should want to see that happen. But, like the idea that we needed proper border enforcement in the first place, you have to act pragmatically now or things will just get worse. Now we have a million people in Germany, and many more on the way.. the longer the issue is left unattended the more difficult remedying the situation will become.

 

[zombywoof]

SS do you have a final solution perchance

 

[-=SS=-]

SS do you have a final solution perchance

Hilarious. I would have ensured that millions of people didn't trudge across the EU or journey across the med by enforcing the borders in the first place, and turning people back. The genuine cases need to be processed closer to their home nation so the people most in need can be accommodated. Ultimately though it is not our job to accommodate an entire nation or continent if things go wrong in the world, which inevitably happens. Someone mentioned the drowning analogy and I think it's a good one, that you have to be careful and know what you're doing otherwise you may both drown.. and if its a boat and many people you can only take so many before you all sink. That's just the unfortunate truth. We can't save everyone all the time. People are going to die.

You can't assimilate this many people and expect it to just work. Social fabric is a precarious thing at the best of times and allowing in masses of people from a completely different cultural context is always going to cause friction.

 

[zombywoof]

Wasn't trying to be funny but to use SS in your name and seem to be for the far right i cant help but wonder

 

[-=SS=-]

Wasn't trying to be funny but to use SS in your name and seem to be for the far right i cant help but wonder

Lmao. I've lost count of how many times people have assumed to know the meaning of SS in my username. If you think that having a reasonable policy on immigration and border control makes me far-right, so be it. I don't think it's far-right at all to have the foresight to see how border policy can seriously affect the social fabric of nation.

 

[zombywoof]

I never assume as it makes an ass of u and me i only wondered

 

[drug_mentor]

If you think that having a reasonable policy on immigration and border control makes me far-right, so be it.

When did it become reasonable to bomb the living shit out of a region until it became so destabilised and war-torn that millions have had to flee their homes, only to subsequently declare that these victims are uncivilised and ruining the fabric of your nation? In part thanks to your twice democratically elected former government many of these refugees don't even have a functioning state left whose fabric you can ruin.

 

[socko]

SS is British. I'm not sure how big a role Britain played in the supporting, training, and supplying ISIS, but Hilary Clinton, then Secretary of State, an appointed position, pushed hard to destabilize Assad by supporting ISIS. Of any public figure, Mrs. Clinton probably played the biggest role in creating this mess.

When did it become reasonable to bomb the living shit out of a region until it became so destabilised and war-torn that millions have had to flee their homes, only to subsequently declare that these victims are uncivilised and ruining the fabric of your nation? In part thanks to your twice democratically elected former government many of these refugees don't even have a functioning state left whose fabric you can ruin.

 

[spacejunk]

Lmao. I've lost count of how many times people have assumed to know the meaning of SS in my username. If you think that having a reasonable policy on immigration and border control makes me far-right, so be it. I don't think it's far-right at all to have the foresight to see how border policy can seriously affect the social fabric of nation.

I don't know - people call the far-right "nazis" all the time.

Pardon me for not being PC, but dont understand why it bothers you so to be labelled as such.
...apart from the fact that it allows you to play martyr/victim and get attention.

As for the Australian response to refugees being successful - it is a national/international disgrace.

People are being tortured, women and children raped and medical professionals are threatened with jail time for speaking publicly about what happens on those offshore "processing centres". Not to mention that they contravene all manner of international laws.
If you are so appalled by sexual abuse against women, you ought to think twice about what else you vocally support - lest you further out yourself as a hypocrite. Or a racist.
Or both

 

[-=SS=-]

If you believe far right is equated with the Nazi party then that is not where I am on the political spectrum, as I have absolutely nothing in common with them. Would it not bother you if people kept intimating that you were a closet Nazi, skinhead or otherwise? It bothers me also because it is a pathetic attempt to try and silence the debate through smearing. Ironically the UKs most far right political leader, Nigel Farage, seems to be the only politician capable of understanding the national sovereignty concept and the foolishness of meddling in other nations affairs.. he has spoken out on Syria and Libya before we got tangled up in that mess (Iraq I'm not sure of).

I'm well aware of what happens in the context of war or major conflagrations.. but these people have to be processed nearer to where they are from. We can't have millions of people trying to enter the EU. It is not sustainable for our nations. That is just the reality of the situation. If people die or suffer because of that, then that sucks, but those are the cards that have been dealt. People suffer all over the world every day.. and we will be of no use to them if we end up destroying the stability of our own nations in the long run.

 

[zombywoof]

Next you will be telling us that gay couples adopting is child abuse if you follow anything from that ukip lot

 

[Bardeaux]

We can't have millions of people trying to enter the EU. It is not sustainable for our nations. That is just the reality of the situation. If people die or suffer because of that, then that sucks, but those are the cards that have been dealt. People suffer all over the world every day.. and we will be of no use to them if we end up destroying the stability of our own nations in the long run.

Do we have millions (plural) of refugees entering the EU? The EU is home to half a billion people and is made up of 28 countries. Surely if refugee allocation were to be done intelligently and cooperatively, you wouldn't even notice ~1 million extra people. Meanwhile, Jordan, a country of 6 million people has received 4 million refugees, and you're upset a few thousand might end up in your country? NATO countries in particular have an obligation here. If we don't want refugees pouring out of warzones, I suggest we stop creating warzones.

 

[zombywoof]

Empathy seems to be getting a bit thin on the ground these days

 

[-=SS=-]

Do we have millions (plural) of refugees entering the EU? The EU is home to half a billion people and is made up of 28 countries. Surely if refugee allocation were to be done intelligently and cooperatively, you wouldn't even notice ~1 million extra people. Meanwhile, Jordan, a country of 6 million people has received 4 million refugees, and you're upset a few thousand might end up in your country? NATO countries in particular have an obligation here. If we don't want refugees pouring out of warzones, I suggest we stop creating warzones.

Yes we do have millions entering the EU. Germany has taken 1 million this year alone. And there will be a continuous stream until borders are enforced properly.

The problem is these "refugees" don't want to be allocated. They don't want to live in Albania, Greece, Spain, Poland. They all want to live in the UK, Germany, Sweden. Genuine refugees would be grateful for the chance to live in a stable nation. Which suggests to you something about the nature of these people coming over, does it not? Why would they predominantly select the UK, Germany and Sweden.. I'll leave you to figure that one out.

And once they're in the EU and get an EU passport it doesn't matter where they were allocated, they can up sticks and move to the country of their choice, and again that will be predominantly UK, Germany and Sweden.

If we had to take on 4 million Welsh or Irish, we wouldn't have a problem. 4 Million Spanish, French, German. But 4 million culturally incompatible Muslims.. it is a disaster waiting to happen. End of story.

 

[zombywoof]

4 million Irish and then there is no alchohol left

 

[malakaix]

"We can't arrest them" German Police officer speaks out - https://www.rt.com/news/328628-german-police-officer-refugees/

A German police officer told media that law enforcement cannot efficiently tackle crime among refugees without being accused of excessive violence or racism, while many dangerous incidents are played down or kept secret to maintain desirable statistics.

The federal police officer, referred to as Bernd K., has shared his experiences with Bild newspaper, having worked for six months at Munich train station and also in the “refugee hotspots” of Passau and Freilassing in Bavaria.

“At first, mostly families with children – who looked educated and spoke English – were coming here,” the officer told. “Meanwhile, 95 percent of refugees are now single men.”

However, when a refugee needs to be controlled, the police cannot arrest him even for a while, the officer said, citing “superior orders” prescribing not to use coercive actions. “Our domestic rule is – better to let him run away.”

German law enforcement needs to impose stricter control on perpetrators as well as more police officers and more independence from political agenda, the officer went on.

“Otherwise it will turn into a big bang someday, if it’s not there already,” he concluded.

 

[namnoc16]

4 million Irish and then there is no alchohol left

Hey I'm Irish I resent that remark,now wheres my damn whiskey,lol

 

[zombywoof]

Me too if we cant laugh at ourselves then who can we laugh at

 

[-=SS=-]

A German police officer told media that law enforcement cannot efficiently tackle crime among refugees without being accused of excessive violence or racism, while many dangerous incidents are played down or kept secret to maintain desirable statistics.

Sounds familiar. In the UK the Rotherham and Oxford grooming gangs were not dealt with because the council did not want to be seen to be racist.

At this point it should be instant deportation for migrants if caught engaging in criminal behavior, until they've been here for a probationary period of several years. That would put a stop to this bullshit behavior. You either respect the fucking culture you're joining or you can jolly well fuck off back home.

There's plenty of people who want to join our nations, legitimate people who genuinely can contribute, and these fucksticks get a free pass to just come here and behave like animals. I have a close friend who is having to leave the UK despite being highly educated, because he can't find a job that pays enough to qualify for residency here as he's a non-EU citizen and his student status is now expiring. Shit like that pisses me the fuck off because he's a great person, respects everything and contributes.. he has a job but it falls just under the threshold. Yet some fucking third world trash can just rock up to the EU, waltz on in, take free food, clothing and shelter, then engage in sexually deviant behavior and show no god damn respect for the host nations generosity. That is such unbelievable bullshit.

 

[zombywoof]

Tell me this would you let a muslim go to the shops for you though



isnt that what those free presbyterian bigots over here came out with


i hate all religions equally but that is not the problem