Masonic handshakes

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Now I don't buy into the conspiracy theory rumor mill. Its speculation at its best with very little evidence to warrant it. However, its clear that they're onto something with the masonic handshake deal. Type masonic handshake into google images and you will have a handy primer as the first image followed by many examples of world leaders (Gaddafi Sarkozy Gorbachev , Blair, Bush, Obama etc) in flagrante delicto as it were.
Simple explanation is that world leaders are for the most part masons of whatever allegiance. However when Gadaffi and sarkozy are photographed in a handshake which signifies brotherhood and fraternity it makes one wonder whether there is something else at play.
What do these handshakes actually mean, are they perfectly innocent or are they somehow occultic - is something being hidden.

 

[-=SS=-]

They're innocent in the sense that it means fuck all except possibly telling the other person what rank you are, but to the public it is a giant middle finger of "hey fools! we're fucking you in the ass every single day and you're too stupid to notice". Psychopaths love showing off their degree of power.. also little boys who never grew up and continue to ride some power ego fantasy also love to show off their power. Makes them feel big.

Truth is all the top leaders are hand picked. All of them. This shit has been going on for hundreds of years my friend. No conspiracy needed. It's out in the open now! They own and control everything.. absolutely everything. As George Carlin said, "It's a big club.. and you ain't in it!!". Conspiracy theory is just a term that stands between people realizing the simple truth that they are fucking owned cattle on a farm.. people do not want to accept they are owned, naturally of course. But unfortunately they are.

 

[done juan]

nailed it SS

 

[P A]

Type masonic handshake into google images

Eh......nahhh.

I think this whole "aha! we've caught the thousand-year-spanning evil supergeniuses revealing their hidden plot to rule the world with a careless [handshake]" thing is just another indication of the loosened associative processes and deadened intellectual filters that so perfectly typify the conspiratorial mind. From where I'm sitting, images depicting Obama or Gaddafi or whomever engaging in what look like 'Masonic handshakes' look so utterly damning simply because the preferred Masonic greeting is reflective of a way that people sometimes shake hands. I mean, seriously, until making the aforementioned Google search, I had no idea what a Masonic handshake was - but I'm pretty sure that I've inadvertently shaken hands that way on more than one occasion. And anyway, even if I were to grant the Illuminati/Mason/Evil Jew Axis theorists their premises (which I don't), there's always the perennial question of why such a well-organized, ultra-secretive, supremely diabolical group of evil masterminds bent on world domination would so glibly 'out' themselves in front of untold millions of potential witnesses in the form of photographs and/or television broadcasts. To go beyond that little quibble - given the near-supernaturally villainous descriptions lavished upon these people by ardent conspiracy theorists, how would we even know about such organizations in the first place? A stray handshake?

To wit:

Kanye West and Shawn Carter - Masons!

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

That picture looks like theyve clapped hands together and gripped briefly. Its just an illusion created by the camera capturing the event at a moment that seems to signify...something.Ahh rap artists are constantly broaching freemasonry in their lyrics album art etc. It comes from the latino gangs who cover themselves in freemasonic symbology. The handshakes are authentic. I mean these are fairly deliberate hand positions which you wouldnt arrive at accidentally. There are certain truths amidst the morass of lies and half truths to wit. America was established by masons and masons are made up of the elite power-mongers. By extrension you'd expect world leaders to be members of the ultra exclusive club... it makes sense. We know Bush was part of skull and bones so it follows that most leaders are a part of it.

The point of contention is whether it all means anything other than these guys carrying out a sort of religious ritual which appears to be , in freemasonry, an obligation. It would be rude it seems not to greet a fellow mason of rank.

 

[stimutant]

Gadaffi and sarkozy

they´re both fascists, murders, anything you want them to be.... nothin more to that.

 

[P A]

Ahh rap artists are constantly broaching freemasonry in their lyrics album art etc.

Yesyes, but you must see the hilarity of implicating Kanye West in a diabolical conspiracy of international tyranny and suppression. I mean, come on, Rudy.

America was established by masons and masons are made up of the elite power-mongers

Does anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist at heart actually believe this? Is there truly ample, rigorous historical evidence that supports such a conclusion as reasonable, let alone warranted?

masons are made up of the elite power-mongers

From the first paragraph of the relevant Wikipedia article on Freemasonry:

"Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, with a membership estimated at around six million, including approximately 150,000 under the jurisdictions of the Grand Lodge of Scotland and Grand Lodge of Ireland, over a quarter of a million under the jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England[1], and just under two million in the United States."

I have a feeling that the vast majority of those six million individuals would not fall under most peoples' selection criteria for "uber-1337 power-broker." But I could be wrong.

We know Bush was part of skull and bones so it follows that most leaders are a part of it

Waitwat? No it doesn't...

It would be rude it seems not to greet a fellow mason of rank

Yet again, this raises (among other things) the eternal waffle: If the Masons are so uber-leet, super-secretive, and ultra-powerful, how could you, or anyone for that matter, ever come to know such things? Or are you a Mason?

 

[-=SS=-]

The masonic handshake is real P A. I've asked a friends dad, a Police Officer, about the whole thing.. he has been asked to join the Mason's himself but he declined. Another friends dad, again another PO, said exactly the same thing. The Mason's are rife throughout the police and justice system, that I know for certain. They cover each others arse's when they get in trouble. I had a discussion with a Royalist on a London bus once too, he knew about the Mason's.. he was a guard at the central London lodge! He claimed they were all benevolent and charity giving, which they are to an extent.. but.. it's a power structure that meets behind closed doors and involves powerful figures from police, law, military, politics. That is reason enough to be concerned, period. I will concede not every Mason is a bad person.. but it's a secret society that has a top down structure, it is open to exploitation from other more superior organizations and influential persons.

Why would they do all this in public? Again because the public is too scared to admit the truth and face reality, and these people know it. That's just how it is whether you believe it or not. If they can assassinate a president in full public view and continue to lie about it half a century down the line and STILL have the public swallow it, a handshake by comparison is nothing! People are hypnotized and ignorant, again that's just how it is.

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Yesyes, but you must see the hilarity of implicating Kanye West in a diabolical conspiracy of international tyranny and suppression. I mean, come on, Rudy ]

it wouldnt be surprising if some rappers are part of prince hall masonry. If you consider them to be businessmen it makes some sense: it presents an absurd picture but its not beyond the realms of possibility.

Does anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist at heart actually believe this? Is there truly ample, rigorous historical evidence that supports such a conclusion as reasonable, let alone warranted?

I think its fact more than anything. Wre talking primary sources and encyclopaedia articles.

"Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, with a membership estimated at around six million, including approximately 150,000 under the jurisdictions of the Grand Lodge of Scotland and Grand Lodge of Ireland, over a quarter of a million under the jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England[1], and just under two million in the United States."

I have a feeling that the vast majority of those six million individuals would not fall under most peoples' selection criteria for "uber-1337 power-broker." But I could be wrong.

I phrased that wongly. I know very well that there are many doctors and lawyers who make up the ranks. I know a young man who inherited the title from his father. What I meant was that amongst the power brokers are found a great many masons.

Yet again, this raises (among other things) the eternal waffle: If the Masons are so uber-leet, super-secretive, and ultra-powerful, how could you, or anyone for that matter, ever come to know such things? Or are you a Mason?

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Well much of their literature and manuals etc is public domain. Theyre not all that secretive and there have been documentaris shot inside lodges etc. Its this illuminati thats said to be secretive. The illuminati of old did exist as founded in the 17th century. They disbanded and noone heard of them following that. The rest has been preserveed on youtube for posterity.
Theorists cite that there needs to be an illuminait to make sense of modern events and will bring up 9/11 false flags and various government coverrups.


The bottom line for me is that
a)Masons exist
b)illuminati existed and apparently disbanded but there is some tenuous link to the freemasons suggesting that the illuminati had infliltrated the ranks.
c)Many powerful men are masons or are part of exclusive societies that have a masonic structure. In that sense masonry could be seen as a blueprint for fraternal orders. Skull and bones isn't a masonic order but it has a masonic structure.
d)George Bush was skull and bones and there is a tradition for leaders to go through the initiation. I phrased that wrongly too - well I neglected to mention that yale has a distinct tradition of siphoning its best through skull and bones

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

The masonic handshake is real P A. I've asked a friends dad, a Police Officer, about the whole thing.. he has been asked to join the Mason's himself but he declined. Another friends dad, again another PO, said exactly the same thing. The Mason's are rife throughout the police and justice system, that I know for certain. They cover each others arse's when they get in trouble. I had a discussion with a Royalist on a London bus once too, he knew about the Mason's.. he was a guard at the central London lodge! He claimed they were all benevolent and charity giving, which they are to an extent.. but.. it's a power structure that meets behind closed doors and involves powerful figures from police, law, military, politics. That is reason enough to be concerned, period. I will concede not every Mason is a bad person.. but it's a secret society that has a top down structure, it is open to exploitation from other more superior organizations and influential persons.


Why would they do all this in public? Again because the public is too scared to admit the truth and face reality, and these people know it. That's just how it is whether you believe it or not. If they can assassinate a president in full public view and continue to lie about it half a century down the line and STILL have the public swallow it, a handshake by comparison is nothing! People are hypnotized and ignorant, again that's just how it is.

I agree with alot of that and to xpand on a relevant point I made earlier. There are many many organisations which exist under the umbrella of maonry but which in fact are just fraternal groups with the originl masonic architecture. Its these groups which are under fire from theorists. Masons are probably harmless enough. However its once you rise to the upper echelons that I imagine that things become interesting.

It may not be masonry itself thats suspect, but the inhabitants of the upper rites. When you have corrupt government officials and leaders all congregating in a single room you're bound for trouble. This has nothing to do with masonry at all. Masonry just provides the forum for corruption to occur. It provides all the trappings of power and pomp and circumstance within which this can occur.

In terms of music and film there is a tradition amongst the rich and famous to dabble in the occult. The amount of musicians and movie stars who admit to this is quite surprising but not so much so when you consider that since victiorian times the rich have been at the prow when it comes to occult practises.

It goes with the terriotiry and it gets passed on from gneration to generation. As such it wouldnt surprise me if they hae their own secretive masonic orders. Note im not saying theyre part of a conspiracy, just that it would make sense that these celebs would occupy their time with that sort of things. That would explain all the symbology etc occam's razor

So when you see Jay Z making the sign of the pyramid the simplest explanation is that he is engaged in some sort of homgrown masonic fraternity. Remember that masonic blueprint is a signal for power so its logical that anyone with pretensions to power would try and weave it into their own system.

 

[-=SS=-]

It may not be masonry itself thats suspect, but the inhabitants of the upper rites. When you have corrupt government officials and leaders all congregating in a single room you're bound for trouble. This has nothing to do with masonry at all. Masonry just provides the forum for corruption to occur. It provides all the trappings of power and pomp and circumstance within which this can occur.

Exactly. It's a all male society that meets in secret and has no oversight, a society which is comprised of high ranking people from various industries and occupations. Baaad idea. Possibly in the past it was necessary to guard esoteric knowledge from corruption by having a secret order.. that's a possibility (one i do not agree with however).. but in this current era we should all be vehemently opposed to any secret order or society. We can not afford to allow darkness a place to organize away from public view.

 

[thujone]

Why is it that we all expect the right to meet with other people in private but as soon as a public figure wants to do so it triggers rumours about conspiracies and people start demanding oversight?

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Why is it that we all expect the right to meet with other people in private but as soon as a public figure wants to do so it triggers rumours about conspiracies and people start demanding oversight?

Its written into the US constitution that leaders are not permitted to meet in secret. That provision was made to avoid situations where leaders can make decisions without the consent of the public. It creates a dual system where decisions are made in secret and politicians attempt to bring them about in the public arena. When the public are privy to these meetings leaders are held accountable for .
As it is you have international power brokers presumably making decisions which will affect policy and we're none the wiser. The fact that this is all flouting the constitution and going on beyond the public eye is suspect imo, thats all it is however. You cant go byond that and reason inductively.

 

[thujone]

I'm missing the relationship between political figures attending Masonic Lodges and backdoor dealings. Maybe political leaders should be barred from church because two Christians might use mass as a meeting to plan genocide.

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

I'm missing the relationship between political figures attending Masonic Lodges and backdoor dealings. Maybe political leaders should be barred from church because two Christians might use mass as a meeting to plan genocide.

Its not the masonic meetings but these groups which use the masonic blueprint that are especially founded for politicians and world leaders. The fact that the constitution outlaws it is the only thing that ought to matter. The constitution is being eroded at the moment: that we can agree on im sure.

 

[P A]

Well, lets be clear, Rudy, the Constitution of the US hasn't been taken (consistently) seriously by our leaders for over a hundred years now. Listen to a Ron Paul interview for, like, 60 seconds - nay, read his fucking grocery shopping list - and you'll be liable to obtain no fewer than three (3) scathing critiques on three separate bills that have been cleared in the past year alone that fall under his 'unconstitutional' purview. Now, to disclaim, I'm not a Ron Paul guy myself, but he often has pretty good, consistent point to make wrt the Constitution.

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

We have to ask why. The constitution is like the legal manifestation of conscience, it reminds politicans that "with great power...". These men want to wreak unfettered havoc but the constitution and its checks and balances impose limits. Politicians want a totalitarian state.. who wouldnt. Think total control. Read: Total control. See:Ivory towers with masses clamouring at base.

The present system is inefficient lets face it and politics is all about bureaocracy which in turn is all about efficiency. It makes sense to chip everyone and have constant 24/7 surveillance. It makes sense to police the internet. The constitution is the only hindrance to this end so its no wonder that its being progressively phased out in favour of politics at "leaders' discretion"

 

[P A]

@SS and Rudy

At the end of the day, my biggest gripe with the Masonic/Illuminati/Lizards/Jews theorists is their singular inability (or stubborn refusal) to produce a more convincing motive for their would-be international tyrants than 'more power.'

I've personally met some powerful people. Wealthy people. Their motives for acquiring their wealth/power, while not exactly wholesome, did not seem to me, by any stretch, evil, diabolical, success-drunken, manic, fevered, or otherwise maleficent in nature. Each of the few 'powerful' people with whom I've shared a conversation or dinner table came across as fundamentally normal, though uber-rich, individuals; that is, they seem, more or less, to be steadfast adherents to the normative value systems that are sculpted by and have sculpted or society in the form that we currently see it. While this small group may not be representative of the whole (I'm sure that more than a couple 'captains of industry' or diehard politicians truly do fit the typical categorical paradigm for Pure Evil), I have a hard time understanding how so many fundamentally different individuals with such diverse backgrounds as Kanye West, Hilary Clinton, and Muammar Gaddafi are all acting in hidden concert to ensure the cooperative despotic subjugation of the entire human race. Such an inherently discordant group of people would require an unbelievably (implausibly) strong motive to remain forever wedded to an unyielding cause that demanded an entire life's worth of effort, and then some, ultimately to bring about...what, exactly? A societal mass of human beings that function essentially as cattle? Cogs in a machine? A machine intended for what purpose? With the most powerful handful at the top doing...what again? Rolling around naked in their piles of One World Currency and bathing in an alloy of silver, gold, and platinum? All for the sake of...what? Power? That's it? This narrative honestly sounds more like a boring, hackneyed straight-to-DVD film script than anything else. Here's a fun idea for historical analysis: To what extent does the growing public support for Masonic conspiracy theories parallel the advent of apocalyptic-epic Hollywood movies, particularly the James Bond films et al?

Rudy, you've done such an admirable job of making these ludicrous conspiratorial premises sound almost-normal-enough that I considered reading about the Masons in more detail, if only to ascertain what role they had to play in the history and political foundation of my country. But upon a moment's reflection, I realized that I have real things to worry about and more pressing historical topics to which I should attend.

 

[panic in paradise]

A Master Mason shakes himself -
or so I have heard .


Honorary Scottish Rite 33rd's go ~
Look fast no hands !

and

if more then thrice shakes and twice blinks upon a greet,
that means steaks 'll be done after 5:15 !

:D

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

@SS and Rudy

At the end of the day, my biggest gripe with the Masonic/Illuminati/Lizards/Jews theorists is their singular inability (or stubborn refusal) to produce a more convincing motive for their would-be international tyrants than 'more power.'

I've personally met some powerful people. Wealthy people. Their motives for acquiring their wealth/power, while not exactly wholesome, did not seem to me, by any stretch, evil, diabolical, success-drunken, manic, fevered, or otherwise maleficent in nature. Each of the few 'powerful' people with whom I've shared a conversation or dinner table came across as fundamentally normal, though uber-rich, individuals; that is, they seem, more or less, to be steadfast adherents to the normative value systems that are sculpted by and have sculpted or society in the form that we currently see it. While this small group may not be representative of the whole (I'm sure that more than a couple 'captains of industry' or diehard politicians truly do fit the typical categorical paradigm for Pure Evil), I have a hard time understanding how so many fundamentally different individuals with such diverse backgrounds as Kanye West, Hilary Clinton, and Muammar Gaddafi are all acting in hidden concert to ensure the cooperative despotic subjugation of the entire human race. Such an inherently discordant group of people would require an unbelievably (implausibly) strong motive to remain forever wedded to an unyielding cause that demanded an entire life's worth of effort, and then some, ultimately to bring about...what, exactly? A societal mass of human beings that function essentially as cattle? Cogs in a machine? A machine intended for what purpose? With the most powerful handful at the top doing...what again? Rolling around naked in their piles of One World Currency and bathing in an alloy of silver, gold, and platinum? All for the sake of...what? Power? That's it? This narrative honestly sounds more like a boring, hackneyed straight-to-DVD film script than anything else. Here's a fun idea for historical analysis: To what extent does the growing public support for Masonic conspiracy theories parallel the advent of apocalyptic-epic Hollywood movies, particularly the James Bond films et al?

Rudy, you've done such an admirable job of making these ludicrous conspiratorial premises sound almost-normal-enough that I considered reading about the Masons in more detail, if only to ascertain what role they had to play in the history and political foundation of my country. But upon a moment's reflection, I realized that I have real things to worry about and more pressing historical topics to which I should attend.

I would agree that to a serious historian the masons need be no more than a hastily penned footnote. I say it only because beyond saying that they exist and that their system has served as a model for many other similar organisations. Some of these organisations were nefarious, others created esoteric manifestos. However it all eventually just melts into conspiratorial lunacy.

The problem with this topic is that it cant be discussed at all in any aeriousness. The moment anyone mentions the masons hackles raise alongside eyebrows. I personally only peruse that particular backwater of youtube for entertainment purposes. The proud remorseless antisemitism holocaust denials racism elitism etc its like a daytrip to the edge of the world.

There have been studies conducted which have shpwn that amongst the rich are found the highest concentration of psychopaths/sociopathic personalities. This is probably because those personality types gravitate towards positions of power - not to say thats representative of every politician. Not only that but riches tend to reduce peoples natural bent towards altruism.

I doubt there is any conspiracy to control the world since the world is just too complex to control centrally. In the future a one world government is not an impossibility but its an implausibility - humans will always find some new reason to threaten nuclear winter.