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marijuana vs alcohol

i never meant to make it sound like alcohol didn't damage your brain, i was simply saying that it didn't kill brain cells.
 
thujone said:
and one can't forget the different feelings of drunk that one gets depending on what one drinks... beer for the energy; wine for the happy; liquor for introspection; absinthe for euphoria.
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you need to stepback a bit and look into those "claims" with a clear 8( 8) head
 
Weed by far. Alcohol is fun at the right time, but I could never do it as frequently as marijuanna, nor have the same experience. Weed is a much more intellectual drug in my opinion (not that it has to be used that way, but atleast you have the choice to; with alcohol you're just fucked up and act like a silly bastard).
 
As much as I enjoy a cocktail or a glass or two of red wine, weed will always be my #1. If it were as convinient and socially accepted as drinking, I'm sure I would imbibe much more frequently.
I love the way it feels to move when I'm stoned and I love the introspection that comes with it. Alcohol dulls my senses and weed enhances them.

It also may stem from my dad's words to me when I was 14 years old:
If you are going to intoxicate yourself, and I know you will... Smoke pot, don't drink.
 
If you are going to intoxicate yourself, and I know you will... Smoke pot, don't drink.
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lol thats funny because if i have kids i will be telling them the exact opposite.
 
the seeker said:
lol thats funny because if i have kids i will be telling them the exact opposite.
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Why? I'm not trying to attack you, I just seriously want to know. is it because of possible legal ramifications, or do you honestly believe it would be better for them? Thinking back to my youth... I got in far more trouble with alcohol than with marijuana, and put myself into far more dangerous situations. Especially for young kids, I think it's much more dangerous to encourage them to imbibe of a substance which completely removes your inhibitions, higher thought capacity, judgement, and coordination.
 
Xorkoth said:
Why? I'm not trying to attack you, I just seriously want to know. is it because of possible legal ramifications, or do you honestly believe it would be better for them? Thinking back to my youth... I got in far more trouble with alcohol than with marijuana, and put myself into far more dangerous situations. Especially for young kids, I think it's much more dangerous to encourage them to imbibe of a substance which completely removes your inhibitions, higher thought capacity, judgement, and coordination.
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first of all i never said i would "encourage" them to imbibe in alcohol, i will encourage them not to use mind altering substances at all. but it won't be any great concern of mine if they choose to drink socially as they mature and reach adulthood. as long as they aren't driving and aren't getting completely wasted, i really don't see too much harm comming from a little social drinking. ive never experienced any harms from my alcohol use at all. however, all psychedelics (and i count marijuana as a psychedelic) will be absolutely forbidden. if i catch them using marijuana or any other psychedelic drug, i will come down on them so hard they won't know what hit them. you see, i believe psychedelics expand the mind and alter perception, they can even induce seemingly spiritual experiences and this is what makes them so dangerous. once you open the doors of perception, your life may be forever changed and no matter how hard you wish for it, you can never go back to how you were. alcohot may make you dumber while youre intoxicated on it, but marijuana changes the way you think, which is far far more dangeorous in my opinion. i am still suffering from residual affects of marijuana one year after i last smoked it.
 
Marijuana and psychedelics can indeed change the way you think. That's the whole point of them. To many, that's the benefit, the entire reason for taking them.

It's obvious to me that you experienced something traumatic from your marijuana usage. May I suggest that perhaps this is because it brought up some issues that you have with yourself deep inside? These issues still remain to this day, suppressed once more (or perhaps not), but they're things you're going to have to deal with eventually. I had the same thing, man. For me, the cure was psychedelics as a catalyst for personal growth, coupled with a lot of honest discussion with myself. Personally, my experience with tripping was as follows:

I began with a wonderful spiritual experience that you may claim to be false, but which was highly personal and revealing and life-changing. For my next few trips, I had a very difficult and rather terrifying time, but these trips brought me face-to-face with my own subconscious issues and fears, and I was able to realize what caused them and fix them in my mind. Now, I'm a happier and more secure person than I have ever been because I have dealt with my issues and have gone from being an atheist to discovering my spirituality in a very deep way, in a similar manner that buddhist monks discover and commune with theirs, only with psychedelic drugs as a catalyst rather than decades of meditation (since I'm a young westerner whose society doesn't allow for that kind of dedication or discipline). The way I think has been changed forever, it's true, but I'm endlessly thankful for it. I went from being a neurotic, scared, narrow-minded, intolerant, judgemental person to being able to deal with everything life throws my way, and I have an intimate understanding of just how important life is, and how we should never allow life's problems to get in the way of experiencing the joy of life, because we're all just dust in the wind, and this human incarnation is just an infinitely tiny blip in the vastness of our eternal existence. I am so thankful that my life will never go back to the way it used to be.

Anyway, I would certainly commend you in discouraging psychoactive substance use in children. I will do the same for mine. However, if I find out one day that my 18+ year old kid has gotten into marijuana or psychedelics, and is using them responsibly, I will be proud that they were able to make such a discovery, and will be there to help them if they need it. I also wouldn't be opposed to some healthy social drinking - hell, I drink socially every so often. But if I discovered that my kid was drinking habitually, even if it wasn't enough to get trashed, I would be very concerned.
 
to me that you experienced something traumatic from your marijuana usage. May I suggest that perhaps this is because it brought up some issues that you have with yourself deep inside? These issues still remain to this day, suppressed once more (or perhaps not), but they're things you're going to have to deal with eventually.
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this would only be partially correct. of course it brought up issues deep inside myself, i also went being an atheist to discovering spirituality. however, my problem was i tried to fix my issues by smoking marijuana instead of living a sober life. i mistakenely believed that smoking marijuana was expanding my mind and making me more spiritual, when in reality it was simply burning me out and destroying my body and my potential for higher consciousness. now am i am a mentally and physically crippled and far worse off than i was when i was devoid of spirituality. so the negative affects far outweighed any benefits. plus i would rather have lived life and gradually discovered my spiritual potential on my own rather than through the use of some drug that clouds the mind and leaves one in darkness. this is what i want for my kids (assuming i ever have kids), i plan to raise them to believe in God and to live life based on spiritual principles with love, truth and growth being of the utmost importance. i will do everything i can to prevent them from falling into the drug culture like i did. i firmly believe that drugs are not needed for spiritual development (and are in fact detrimental) and there is far too much focus on them upon them in today's world.
 
After I tried weed my drinking has gone down and sometimes I'm not even interested in alcohol anymore.
 
the seeker said:
this would only be partially correct. of course it brought up issues deep inside myself, i also went being an atheist to discovering spirituality. however, my problem was i tried to fix my issues by smoking marijuana instead of living a sober life. i mistakenely believed that smoking marijuana was expanding my mind and making me more spiritual, when in reality it was simply burning me out and destroying my body and my potential for higher consciousness. now am i am a mentally and physically crippled and far worse off than i was when i was devoid of spirituality. so the negative affects far outweighed any benefits. plus i would rather have lived life and gradually discovered my spiritual potential on my own rather than through the use of some drug that clouds the mind and leaves one in darkness. this is what i want for my kids (assuming i ever have kids), i plan to raise them to believe in God and to live life based on spiritual principles with love, truth and growth being of the utmost importance. i will do everything i can to prevent them from falling into the drug culture like i did. i firmly believe that drugs are not needed for spiritual development (and are in fact detrimental) and there is far too much focus on them upon them in today's world.
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I agree with you that drugs are not needed for spiritual development. They can indeed be detrimental as well. I'm glad you were able to discover yourself through the help of marijuana, and it's too bad you had to abuse it and feel like you crippled yourself. I did the same thing to myself years ago. But I wonder, since you no longer smoke, why do you still feel crippled? it's all in your head. You know your spirituality. What it is that doesn't allow you to return to that place you were at before you used too much weed? It's all mental.

The key here is moderation. Imagine if you had just had those first experiences that you feel actually did help you to become more aware, and then stopped there, or perhaps continued using but only occasionally, for special purposes? Do you think you wouldn't be "crippled" now? This is what I'm talking about - responsible use of psychedelics and marijuana, not irresponsible abuse. Abuse always leads to trouble.

I had a great start with cannabis myself, but over the next few years, I smoked myself inot oblivion. it helped, along with just growing up in general, to throw me into a deep depression, which I felt I could never fix, and which was because of my drug use. However, I had a very therapeutic series of trips on other, more psychedelic substances, and they allowed me to see the patterns of self-destruction between the various parts of my ego which made me depressed and anxious, and through practice now that I could recognize them, I stopped them. It kicked me out of my funk. Since then, I've been using psychedelics and marijuana responsibly, not abusively, and it has helped me so much in my life to be happy and motivated and able to shrug off the daily bullshit that tends to drag people down.

That's why I say that if I found out my child was safely experimenting with psychedelics at an appropriate age, I would be proud that he was able to make such a decision, and I would certainly let him know that things might change forever, and to be ready for that. And I would be nervous as hell. But I think being a guiding force a child can trust is much more beneficial to them than forbidding them to do something and just shutting it out. And plus, how can I disregard my own life and what they've helped to do for me? And, I have to say, the Christian church is a noble ideal, and I plan to bring my kids up that way also simply due to the structure, which children need, and it teaches them good morals. But I have to say that I don't know many people who emerge as adults and still follow the religion closely to really be very spiritual at all. Mostly they're a judgemental lot who feel that they have to sacrifice all their joy in life in exchange for an elusive reward after death which doesn't even exist, or to prevent hell for eternity, which also doesn't exist. And morals can be taught by the parent... a church isn't needed to pass that on. I do know some truly wonderful and spiritual people who are with the church, but mostly I feel that it works to prevent people from ever really understanding their own spirituality. They get bogged down in the ritual and the guilt and the shame and hide their hatred of others behind verses in the Bible written by ancient men that reflects the beliefs of their time period, and really don't understand what it is they claim to follow at all. Now, it may be that you didn't mean Christianity but just God in general as a concept, in which case, that last bit doesn't apply.

I have certainly been changed forever because of my use of psychedelics and marijuana. And I totally agree with you that these drugs are not needed to discover yourself and your spirituality. meditation is a much better method. However, this western culture in which we live makes it hard for a person to lead that lifestyle, especially the younger generations. I believe that psychedelic drugs, when used responsibly, can be wonderful tools, launching points from which to discover yourself and your spirituality. Like anything, if overused, they can cause more harm than good. But with proper use, they can lead to great happiness and understanding.

It's all about moderation and understanding the line between use and abuse.

And finally, you're not physically and mentally crippled anymore except by your own demons that resulted from your guilt over marijuana abuse. I guarantee that if you do some serious truthful searching inside yourself and deal wioth the issues that remain, you will find out that you're perfectly capable of anything you want to be. You're the same person you always were, only now you have the added benefit of extra life experience.
 
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i've been drinking daily for three years now. i smoked pot daily (two or three times a day) for about 3 years aswell, stopping smoking about a year ago.

funny thing is my anxiety level was raised by pot to the point that it became full blown panic attacks while high, but i always put if off as the weed causing it (which it was). however when i started having panic attacks while sober it led me to drink to make them go away.

now i'm in the position where i don't smoke anymore, but have developed a drinking problem to get rid of the panic attacks that pot brought out.

niether is better to do in excess than the other. with restraint both can be enjoyable.

however i will say alcohol is much harder to quit than weed, and a much more physical withdrawl aswell. i can feel the effects coming on after about 12 hours of not drinking.
 
man, I always expierience the opposite in terms of anxiety. Normally I get quite paranoid and tense, when I'm high this seems to be mitigated. The only time I ever expierienced anything close to a panic attack while high was when me and my mate burned down a huge bowl packed with pure kif in one sitting; I have seen people enter a state I would almost describe as going into shock off a couple hits of that shit.


Alcohol and weed are two entirely different drugs only remotely similar by their recreational potential. I find them to be synergistic and would claim that weed makes the alcohol expierience far safer by requiring less booze to reach the desired effect.
 
Marijuana wins every time just because I love it to death.

Alcohol is great too, but its not something I could see myself missing terribly. I mean I love to drink and get drunk often, but it's nothing like MJ.

The weird thing is MJ has much worse after effects then alcohol like hangover and general 'retarded' feeling the next day where as with alcohol there is none of that assuming you know how to drink properly.
 
psychetool said:
Marijuana wins every time just because I love it to death.

Alcohol is great too, but its not something I could see myself missing terribly. I mean I love to drink and get drunk often, but it's nothing like MJ.

The weird thing is MJ has much worse after effects then alcohol like hangover and general 'retarded' feeling the next day where as with alcohol there is none of that assuming you know how to drink properly.
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can you explain how to drink properly? im not sure i need it explained, as i dont seem to suffer that many side affects from alcohol anymore but i would still like it explained in case there's something im missing.
 
^^ drink properly?? Lol, so i've been doing it wrong all this time?? Damn, i could have avoided so many hangovers.

Personally i like alcohol over weed. Alcohol helps me become more social, weed does the opposite and increases my anxiety around people. They are different drugs and i use them in different ways/environments. One is not really better than the other.

I love the two at the same time, they go very well together, as long as you dont dont do too much of one of them and pass out, haha. When i smoke weed with a few (or alot more) drinks, it gets rid of the anxiety from weed and i have a really enjoyable experience.
 
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