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No, I just have balls so massive that they need to be carried around lest they drag on the ground.
I agree with all this, and not just because you used a few big words. The last paragraph especially hits home with me. Let's see if we can get this thread back on track now.
i against i
Bluelighter
i feel sorry for you
WHOA. Stop trying to derail the thread, troll. Please, if you've got something to say make sure it's in reply to this:
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
I never said weed catalyses symptoms of mental illness. Those were his words not mine. In any case it's just a theory.
As for comparing weed to alcohol, I was merely comparing them as drugs of (ab)use. For a lot of schizophrenics weed does in fact kill anxiety, which may be one of the reasons there's a link. Or jibult could be right (I'm open to that).
I'm not sure where you think I said 'most people use weed and are fine' as a line of reasoning.
Once again, I merely stated that there is a link between cannabis use and schizophrenia. I merely said they have not proved a causal relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia. in any case your arguments are way more constructive than the personal insults above, so thank you for bringing the thread back on track.
psychomimetic
Bluelighter
^I would have posted here regardless of the thread's ridiculous beginning, FWIW.
So I'll pitch in on this topic. First, in response to the first responses to the OP, marijuana has done more damage to my mental health than alcohol has, I smoke pot every day and I drink almost every day, average of maybe 1 or 2 drinks and I've never had problems with alcohol, in fact alcohol seems to better my mental state in various small ways. I smoke much more pot than I drink alcohol, but once upon a time I only smoked once per day and at that point I would have said the same thing, alcohol has harmed my mental state significantly less than marijuana. So to make a blanket statement like "marijuana is the lesser of two evils" is ridiculous when talking about subjective, individual mental states. Sure, for many people marijuana never causes any problems and alcohol does. But for some people, alcohol is never a problem and marijuana is. Different people have different experiences and reactions to different substances. Such broad labels don't work when dealing with the human mind. For some people marijuana causes problems, for other alcohol causes them.
My mental state is different than that, I have no problem using alcohol in a responsible and healthy way. I cannot smoke pot in moderation or without severely effecting my ability to perform life. That being said, I love weed and smoke it all the time and have no intention of stopping. Either way, the alcohol vs marijuana debate is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
On to the actual topic, I smoke pot every day, usually about 4-6 times a day, and I've been smoking daily for maybe 4 years. I smoke a minimum of 3 times daily if I have weed, which I almost always do (tonight I'm a sad panda).
When I first started smoking on my own, I got anxiety when I smoked, but only when I was alone. Previous to smoking daily I had been smoking with friends once or twice a week for 3 years. I think my anxiety was caused by the fact that I was in my mid-teens and still trying to avoid getting in trouble with my parents, who I still lived with. I enjoyed smoking, and I made a point to smoke a bowl every night, but often times an equal amount of fear and pleasure were involved in the high.
After maybe a month of smoking alone every night I got very used to it and I have not had marijuana induced anxiety ever since.
On the subject of psychosis, no one I know has ever become psychotic from marijuana, including people who had experienced psychosis because of other drugs (xanax namely). Not to say it doesn't happen but it's certainly extremely rare.
On to my personal experiences with marijuana and my mental state. I have depression and anxiety, neither one has been diagnosed but that's my personal view of it for a variety of reasons. Some day I may see a professional but at this point I have no interest in getting a clinical diagnosis. On top of my mental troubles, I have very bad chronic problems with my GI tract.
Before smoking pot, I had never had serious anxiety, and the depression was much less serious. I can't place when I started getting these issues, and I can't ever know what part of them came from growing up and what part from smoking, seeing as my heaviest smoking was from the ages of 16-18.
When I smoke pot, my anxiety gets very managable and my depression goes away almost completely. My GI problems are helped greatly by smoking as well, it allows me to eat and not be in pain.
The issues come when I have no marijuana. I will typically get very very anxious, to the point of shaking a little bit, around 6 or 7 at night. Then I will get depressed and a crushing kind of despair will overtake me, more or less crippling me. I also feel an extreme desire for pot, as if I'm a junkie, and my stomach feels awful.
The problem, in my case, is with knowing what is mental illness and what is caused by the marijuana. Do I get depressed because I have no weed? Or am I always depressed except when I'm stoned? It's hard to say.
Still, I believe that some of my mental problems come from a strong mental addiction to marijuana. Along with the depression comes a very strong desire for pot and I feel like my thoughts are racing at an uncontrollable and almost painful speed that makes it impossible for me to think straight or feel happy at all. Pot fixes all of these problems as soon as I smoke. So take that for what you will, but that's how I feel marijuana relates to my mental health.
Sorry if the post is a bit rambling and out of it, I might come clean it up tomorrow. Probably won't though.
So I'll pitch in on this topic. First, in response to the first responses to the OP, marijuana has done more damage to my mental health than alcohol has, I smoke pot every day and I drink almost every day, average of maybe 1 or 2 drinks and I've never had problems with alcohol, in fact alcohol seems to better my mental state in various small ways. I smoke much more pot than I drink alcohol, but once upon a time I only smoked once per day and at that point I would have said the same thing, alcohol has harmed my mental state significantly less than marijuana. So to make a blanket statement like "marijuana is the lesser of two evils" is ridiculous when talking about subjective, individual mental states. Sure, for many people marijuana never causes any problems and alcohol does. But for some people, alcohol is never a problem and marijuana is. Different people have different experiences and reactions to different substances. Such broad labels don't work when dealing with the human mind. For some people marijuana causes problems, for other alcohol causes them.
My mental state is different than that, I have no problem using alcohol in a responsible and healthy way. I cannot smoke pot in moderation or without severely effecting my ability to perform life. That being said, I love weed and smoke it all the time and have no intention of stopping. Either way, the alcohol vs marijuana debate is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
On to the actual topic, I smoke pot every day, usually about 4-6 times a day, and I've been smoking daily for maybe 4 years. I smoke a minimum of 3 times daily if I have weed, which I almost always do (tonight I'm a sad panda).
When I first started smoking on my own, I got anxiety when I smoked, but only when I was alone. Previous to smoking daily I had been smoking with friends once or twice a week for 3 years. I think my anxiety was caused by the fact that I was in my mid-teens and still trying to avoid getting in trouble with my parents, who I still lived with. I enjoyed smoking, and I made a point to smoke a bowl every night, but often times an equal amount of fear and pleasure were involved in the high.
After maybe a month of smoking alone every night I got very used to it and I have not had marijuana induced anxiety ever since.
On the subject of psychosis, no one I know has ever become psychotic from marijuana, including people who had experienced psychosis because of other drugs (xanax namely). Not to say it doesn't happen but it's certainly extremely rare.
On to my personal experiences with marijuana and my mental state. I have depression and anxiety, neither one has been diagnosed but that's my personal view of it for a variety of reasons. Some day I may see a professional but at this point I have no interest in getting a clinical diagnosis. On top of my mental troubles, I have very bad chronic problems with my GI tract.
Before smoking pot, I had never had serious anxiety, and the depression was much less serious. I can't place when I started getting these issues, and I can't ever know what part of them came from growing up and what part from smoking, seeing as my heaviest smoking was from the ages of 16-18.
When I smoke pot, my anxiety gets very managable and my depression goes away almost completely. My GI problems are helped greatly by smoking as well, it allows me to eat and not be in pain.
The issues come when I have no marijuana. I will typically get very very anxious, to the point of shaking a little bit, around 6 or 7 at night. Then I will get depressed and a crushing kind of despair will overtake me, more or less crippling me. I also feel an extreme desire for pot, as if I'm a junkie, and my stomach feels awful.
The problem, in my case, is with knowing what is mental illness and what is caused by the marijuana. Do I get depressed because I have no weed? Or am I always depressed except when I'm stoned? It's hard to say.
Still, I believe that some of my mental problems come from a strong mental addiction to marijuana. Along with the depression comes a very strong desire for pot and I feel like my thoughts are racing at an uncontrollable and almost painful speed that makes it impossible for me to think straight or feel happy at all. Pot fixes all of these problems as soon as I smoke. So take that for what you will, but that's how I feel marijuana relates to my mental health.
Sorry if the post is a bit rambling and out of it, I might come clean it up tomorrow. Probably won't though.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Not at all, thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
I think all other arguments aside, one statistic stands out for me. It is the rate of schizophrenia amongst different countries. This has remained constant despite exploding cannabis use in some of these countries. This demonstrates that the cannabis link is at the very least grossly overstated.
I was just reading an article on another website and found this interesting:
In his book "Marihuana The Forbidden Medicine", Dr. Lester Grinspoon (with James Bakalar) cites a pair of studies that found schizophrenic patients who used cannabis responded better to the disease than nonusers. One study reported that patients who smoked marijuana had "fewer delusions and, above all, fewer of the so-called negative symptoms, which include apathy, limited speech, and emotional unresponsiveness." The other study concluded that those who used cannabis had a "lower rate of hospital admissions than those who used no drugs at all. The paticipants said that cannabis helped them with anxiety, depression, and insomnia." Grinspoon also notes that in his own clinical experience, schizophrenics who regularly use cannabis generally regard it as helpful. site
I wouldn't mind reading more into the two studies concerned.
I was just reading an article on another website and found this interesting:
In his book "Marihuana The Forbidden Medicine", Dr. Lester Grinspoon (with James Bakalar) cites a pair of studies that found schizophrenic patients who used cannabis responded better to the disease than nonusers. One study reported that patients who smoked marijuana had "fewer delusions and, above all, fewer of the so-called negative symptoms, which include apathy, limited speech, and emotional unresponsiveness." The other study concluded that those who used cannabis had a "lower rate of hospital admissions than those who used no drugs at all. The paticipants said that cannabis helped them with anxiety, depression, and insomnia." Grinspoon also notes that in his own clinical experience, schizophrenics who regularly use cannabis generally regard it as helpful. site
I wouldn't mind reading more into the two studies concerned.
psychomimetic
Bluelighter
^That is interesting. I by no means think that marijuana causes schizophrenia, but I could see how it could exacerbate it. I can also see how it would help with many of the symptoms. And I can even see how smoking would both help and hurt you. In my case, marijuana both helps and hurts. It helps with my GI problems mainly, but also with anxiety and depression in a big way. At the same time, it makes me apathetic, lazy, and a drug addict. So it's a trade off in some cases I suppose.
I'm not schizophrenic but I found this especially interesting- "patients who smoked marijuana had fewer delusions and, above all, fewer of the so-called negative symptoms, which include apathy, limited speech, and emotional unresponsiveness."
This interests me because I find that, apart from delusions (which I don't get, as far as I can tell
), marijuana makes me apathetic, limits my speech to a degree (not very much now that I'm a heavy habitual user, but in the past), and makes me emotionally unresponsive, or rather, emotionally less responsive (which is part of why I smoke).
The study goes on-
"The paticipants said that cannabis helped them with anxiety, depression, and insomnia."
Cannabis helps me with all three of those things in a big way.
I think one problem with talking about marijuana and mental illness is that it's hard or impossible to tell which came first in many cases. Many people start smoking in their mid teens, which is the same time that mental illnesses would be starting to emerge in many people. Did marijuana make your schizophrenia worse or did you just develop schizophrenia normally and happen to enjoy marijuana?
I started having mental issues during the time of my heaviest smoking, when I was doing around 8-12 bubbler bowls a day and was 16 years old. But a lot of other things were happening in my life, and my brain was also developing at that time. So it's impossible for me to really say whether the marijuana brought out these issues or whether my issues came out on their own and I just like smoking weed and it happens to help treat symptoms.
I now consider myself a medical as well as a recreational user. When I started out, I gained no medical benefit from smoking, I just liked doing it. After the medical problems developed I realized that marijuana was the only thing that truly helped and that I was willing to use daily. Benzos would take care of my anxiety but I'm not willing to be a benzo addict. Booze cures my anxiety but I have trouble drinking without first settling my stomach with herb. Stomach medicines given by doctors are by and large a joke, sublingual hyoscyamine (as in datura) was the last thing my doc put me on. Marijuana helps much more than any other cure for my symptoms without risking hardcore physical addiction or pharm. anti-depressants (a road I won't go down for many reasons).
So I can see the medical risks and the medical benefits of marijuana. I personally experience both. It may also be worth pointing out that my knowledge of this is purely anecdotal, I haven't read any studies on the subject except for the ones AE put in the above post.
I don't think any one answer will ever be arrived at because people are so different and marijuana seems to not directly cause any mental illness. For me it's this way, other people can smoke and smoke and always be ok and even go weeks without after having a daily habit. Some people cannot smoke at all because of mental illness. YMMV
Edit- lol on the book having Marihuana in the title, old school spelling right there. Makes me want to pronounce it with a ridiculous over dramatized HUA sound.
I'm not schizophrenic but I found this especially interesting- "patients who smoked marijuana had fewer delusions and, above all, fewer of the so-called negative symptoms, which include apathy, limited speech, and emotional unresponsiveness."
This interests me because I find that, apart from delusions (which I don't get, as far as I can tell
), marijuana makes me apathetic, limits my speech to a degree (not very much now that I'm a heavy habitual user, but in the past), and makes me emotionally unresponsive, or rather, emotionally less responsive (which is part of why I smoke). The study goes on-
"The paticipants said that cannabis helped them with anxiety, depression, and insomnia."
Cannabis helps me with all three of those things in a big way.
I think one problem with talking about marijuana and mental illness is that it's hard or impossible to tell which came first in many cases. Many people start smoking in their mid teens, which is the same time that mental illnesses would be starting to emerge in many people. Did marijuana make your schizophrenia worse or did you just develop schizophrenia normally and happen to enjoy marijuana?
I started having mental issues during the time of my heaviest smoking, when I was doing around 8-12 bubbler bowls a day and was 16 years old. But a lot of other things were happening in my life, and my brain was also developing at that time. So it's impossible for me to really say whether the marijuana brought out these issues or whether my issues came out on their own and I just like smoking weed and it happens to help treat symptoms.
I now consider myself a medical as well as a recreational user. When I started out, I gained no medical benefit from smoking, I just liked doing it. After the medical problems developed I realized that marijuana was the only thing that truly helped and that I was willing to use daily. Benzos would take care of my anxiety but I'm not willing to be a benzo addict. Booze cures my anxiety but I have trouble drinking without first settling my stomach with herb. Stomach medicines given by doctors are by and large a joke, sublingual hyoscyamine (as in datura) was the last thing my doc put me on. Marijuana helps much more than any other cure for my symptoms without risking hardcore physical addiction or pharm. anti-depressants (a road I won't go down for many reasons).
So I can see the medical risks and the medical benefits of marijuana. I personally experience both. It may also be worth pointing out that my knowledge of this is purely anecdotal, I haven't read any studies on the subject except for the ones AE put in the above post.
I don't think any one answer will ever be arrived at because people are so different and marijuana seems to not directly cause any mental illness. For me it's this way, other people can smoke and smoke and always be ok and even go weeks without after having a daily habit. Some people cannot smoke at all because of mental illness. YMMV
Edit- lol on the book having Marihuana in the title, old school spelling right there. Makes me want to pronounce it with a ridiculous over dramatized HUA sound.
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Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
^ i always try and pronounce marijuana like a Mexican lol. The thing that strikes me about what you say is that it makes you apathetic. That makes me wonder if you've ever tried a pure sativa? Not a sativa dominant hybrid but a full on, pure sativa. Some strains like malawi, such as that offered by Ace seeds and other breeders that specialize in niche equatorial landrace sativas, counter-intuitively have a calming effect that I can see would be helpful for your anxiety, but also have the clarity of other pure sativas. I would seriously give that a try, or failing that, something like oldtimers haze which has been preserved by Ace as well (I think they're still keeping the line going for posterity).
CBD has been bred out of modern hybrids in most cases so that's another avenue to go down, since it has a calming, anxiolytic effect but isn't sedating despite commonly believed. That might add clarity to the high whilst killing anxiety. CBD crew have just brought a range of CBD:THC 1:1 strains. Landrace indicas such as Mazar-I-Sharif, Lebanese and landrace 'charas' sativas would be worth looking at since all have the elusive CBD allele missing from modern drug cultivars.
Playing devil's advocate, if cannabis can cause psychosis the whole issue isn't going to be black and white and I'm sure some strains might cause it, some might exacerbate it but others might be neutral and some might even help. It's all down to the individual and the unique strain involved. I just am against all cannabis being characterized as being the ticking mental health time bomb by tabloids as I'm sure you can understand.
CBD has been bred out of modern hybrids in most cases so that's another avenue to go down, since it has a calming, anxiolytic effect but isn't sedating despite commonly believed. That might add clarity to the high whilst killing anxiety. CBD crew have just brought a range of CBD:THC 1:1 strains. Landrace indicas such as Mazar-I-Sharif, Lebanese and landrace 'charas' sativas would be worth looking at since all have the elusive CBD allele missing from modern drug cultivars.
Playing devil's advocate, if cannabis can cause psychosis the whole issue isn't going to be black and white and I'm sure some strains might cause it, some might exacerbate it but others might be neutral and some might even help. It's all down to the individual and the unique strain involved. I just am against all cannabis being characterized as being the ticking mental health time bomb by tabloids as I'm sure you can understand.
I've read countless academically acceptable articles on cannabis and mental illness - I have yet to find a peer reviewed article that concludes cannabis causes mental illness or psychosis. If you do find one, a peer reviewed article on the issue, please post it up. I do know that cannabis can accelerate psychosis but causality is still unproven by the scientific community as far as I'm aware.
I've been using cannabis for more than a year - on almost a daily basis and have been able to function normally and think rationally as a legal practitioner. I use it to deal with the psychological and physical damage caused by a heavy collision with a semi trailer. I smoke and vaporise depending on how I feel at the time.
I don't feel any of these psychosis symptoms as warned by the media and government - I think a lot of those symptoms of psychosis comes from it's illegality status, social stigma and an unstable mind.
Obviously I am biased toward cannabis but I can confidently say that it's made me a better thinker and person holistically. Just my 2c.
I don't care really if there is anything saying it causes it, I know marijuana can produces those kind of effects rather its depression, anxiety, or bordering the lines on psychosis....its not a question. If you want to call it just getting high, fine...a spade is a spade.
The intention of this was to talk about personal experiences, instead of trying discredit everything one says about how it effects themselves.
We know what we're experiencing and you can't discredit it.
Rather you want to call it just being high or what, it is what it is...feel free to call it pyschoitc-like if you feel uncomfortable calling it psychosis. It could be temporary or maybe not, I really don't understand why people are so quick to get on the defense.
It does create those kind of effects rather it caused by a predisposition or whatever....to me it doesn't matter , I don't care who wants to argue that it does, you can look at many threads on here on how people are plagued with these kind of effects when they smoke marijuana.
Have any of you ever watched the documentary "The Evil Weed" its not really anti-weed like it sounds but a good documentary or has anyone ever watched the documentary on bbc where this woman reporting on marijuana gives it try in the coffee shop she kinda likes it.Then when injected with thc has a psychotic-like reaction when she tries thc....maybe it'd help some people to get a better look at one of these experiences I'm trying to get at...I think it was called "Should I Smoke Weed" the documentary.
For many I know the illegality status and the social stigma have nothing to do with, now a unstable mind...perhaps. I've heard of people in Amsterdam where the legal status is pretty liberal and doesn't have the same stigma as the US but still had bad trips for example.
The intention of this was to talk about personal experiences, instead of trying discredit everything one says about how it effects themselves.
We know what we're experiencing and you can't discredit it.
Rather you want to call it just being high or what, it is what it is...feel free to call it pyschoitc-like if you feel uncomfortable calling it psychosis. It could be temporary or maybe not, I really don't understand why people are so quick to get on the defense.
It does create those kind of effects rather it caused by a predisposition or whatever....to me it doesn't matter , I don't care who wants to argue that it does, you can look at many threads on here on how people are plagued with these kind of effects when they smoke marijuana.
Have any of you ever watched the documentary "The Evil Weed" its not really anti-weed like it sounds but a good documentary or has anyone ever watched the documentary on bbc where this woman reporting on marijuana gives it try in the coffee shop she kinda likes it.Then when injected with thc has a psychotic-like reaction when she tries thc....maybe it'd help some people to get a better look at one of these experiences I'm trying to get at...I think it was called "Should I Smoke Weed" the documentary.
For many I know the illegality status and the social stigma have nothing to do with, now a unstable mind...perhaps. I've heard of people in Amsterdam where the legal status is pretty liberal and doesn't have the same stigma as the US but still had bad trips for example.
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RobotRipping
Bluelighter
you can't say cannabis causes psychotic effects based on the number of threads you read on the internet. For one, there are millions of other people who are not reporting any problems and two, you have no idea if there is another variable that is causing anxiety/depression/psychosis. As well, if someone just gets anxious or depressed when they smoke then it is not indicative of a mental health problem. These symptoms must persist for a significant period of time with or without continued use of cannabis. If you smoke and get anxious and depressed for a day then you do not have anxiety or depression.
I also watched that bbc documentary with that woman. Of course getting injected with pure THC is going to make you feel anxious or even psychotic (temporarily). That same woman laughed her ass off smoking cannabis and hash as well.
The other cannabinoids in cannabis balance the effect out. You could make the argument that higher THC strains may be more prone to causing anxiety. But even then it is only temporary, it will not cause an anxiety disorder.
as for your OP; i have smoked myself through psychosis caused by other drugs. It helped me become lucid and deal with the surrounding issues. Cannabis actually helps my anxiety most of the time, eliminates depression completely and keeps my mind level and i've been smoking for quite a few years non stop. My father is bipolar and only uses cannabis to moderate his moods and it works really well. Far more effective than other treatments and far less side effects, although it may not work for everyone, it is a miracle medicine for him.
Chainer
Bluelighter
Why the fuck is half this thread people bickering back and forth?
Keep it on topic or the thread gets closed.
That said, I've read enough to firmly believe cannabis does not CAUSE any sort of psychosis, but I've read plenty to know it is widely suggested that it can help bring out psychotic symptoms that are normally much more under control for the agent who consumed/smoked.
Robot, my best friend is bipolar, and he absolutely states that cannabis reduces his bipolar mood swings. You can see it for sure, having known him for over a decade, I can tell when he is high or not high depending on his mood.
That BBC documentary is pretty well known around here - it's a lotta bullshit that really tries to spin the facts in a bad way. Nobody is going around injecting THC. In fact, that doesn't sound all that pleasurable to me, I like all the CBD/Ns , as I am sure you all do too.
Keep it on topic or the thread gets closed.
That said, I've read enough to firmly believe cannabis does not CAUSE any sort of psychosis, but I've read plenty to know it is widely suggested that it can help bring out psychotic symptoms that are normally much more under control for the agent who consumed/smoked.
Robot, my best friend is bipolar, and he absolutely states that cannabis reduces his bipolar mood swings. You can see it for sure, having known him for over a decade, I can tell when he is high or not high depending on his mood.
That BBC documentary is pretty well known around here - it's a lotta bullshit that really tries to spin the facts in a bad way. Nobody is going around injecting THC. In fact, that doesn't sound all that pleasurable to me, I like all the CBD/Ns , as I am sure you all do too.
I didn't think either documentary was really bias or one sided.
It just showed people's individual experiences...the lady actually seemed to enjoy it after awhile.
I'm sure thc/cbd is a much more enjoyable experience, it just showed that THC is quite capable of generating those kind of negative effects as you see with many users who smoke marijuana. She also had a similar reaction when she first smoked hash, it was quite similar to the experience she had with the pure thc.
Did you ever see the "Evil Weed" documentary?
When it comes to experiencing effects like hallucinations, delusions, disturbed thinking patterns, and paranoia when someone smokes marijuana...how is that different from psychosis?
As I look into the criteria of it, its seems quite spot on...there is very strong resemblance.
Its certainly a pyschoitc-like effect if you feels uncomfortable calling it psychosis.
If the mast majority of drugs can create a substance induced psychosis, why can't marijuana?
I know it has a quite a unique mechanism of action , but still I think its possible.
If you look into the DSM for Substance-induced psychosis....along with a wide range of other drugs, marijuana also is mentioned in the description and I think its for a good reason.
When a normal person goes from good mental health to having mental health issues soon after smoking marijuana...rather there was a predisposition or not its safe to say that marijuana probably influenced it.
It just showed people's individual experiences...the lady actually seemed to enjoy it after awhile.
I'm sure thc/cbd is a much more enjoyable experience, it just showed that THC is quite capable of generating those kind of negative effects as you see with many users who smoke marijuana. She also had a similar reaction when she first smoked hash, it was quite similar to the experience she had with the pure thc.
Did you ever see the "Evil Weed" documentary?
When it comes to experiencing effects like hallucinations, delusions, disturbed thinking patterns, and paranoia when someone smokes marijuana...how is that different from psychosis?
As I look into the criteria of it, its seems quite spot on...there is very strong resemblance.
Its certainly a pyschoitc-like effect if you feels uncomfortable calling it psychosis.
If the mast majority of drugs can create a substance induced psychosis, why can't marijuana?
I know it has a quite a unique mechanism of action , but still I think its possible.
If you look into the DSM for Substance-induced psychosis....along with a wide range of other drugs, marijuana also is mentioned in the description and I think its for a good reason.
When a normal person goes from good mental health to having mental health issues soon after smoking marijuana...rather there was a predisposition or not its safe to say that marijuana probably influenced it.
Well, it is a matter of mental health and experiencing these kind of symptoms when smoking is a problem for many.
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Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Taking one cannabinoid in isolation, injecting someone can no way be seen as comparable to smoking any type of cannabis. End of.
Oh I guess that solves the whole issue then because the DSM is such a panacea of knowledge. I mean if it says that it must be true, right? I wonder if you would have made the same argument against homosexuality in 1973 8)
It is comparable, maybe not the same exact experience or effect but THC is still one of the main active ingredients in marijuana....I know the other canabinoids play a part into the effect as well though.
You say taking one canabinoid in isolation isn't comparable then why does everybody compare the synthetic ones to marijuana?
They share similarities.
The experience she had with the injection was quite similar to when she first smoked hash....if you actually take a look at the documentary instead of just arguing without even viewing it.
Thats just one person though.
If you would read the description it has in the DSM, it doesn't say anything in black and white...it just speaks on the subject and it actually says thing aren't quite clear on the matter.
This isn't 1973.
Before jumping to conclusions, take a look at it...same goes for the other videos.
Do you have to constantly come off sarcastic and get defensive...you're just taking everything overly personal it seems. From telling me to stop smoking meth, when I never did so or even mentioned to the above post...you obviously can't be mature on the subject of marijuana without turning things personal.
You say taking one canabinoid in isolation isn't comparable then why does everybody compare the synthetic ones to marijuana?
They share similarities.
The experience she had with the injection was quite similar to when she first smoked hash....if you actually take a look at the documentary instead of just arguing without even viewing it.
Thats just one person though.
If you would read the description it has in the DSM, it doesn't say anything in black and white...it just speaks on the subject and it actually says thing aren't quite clear on the matter.
This isn't 1973.
Before jumping to conclusions, take a look at it...same goes for the other videos.
Do you have to constantly come off sarcastic and get defensive...you're just taking everything overly personal it seems. From telling me to stop smoking meth, when I never did so or even mentioned to the above post...you obviously can't be mature on the subject of marijuana without turning things personal.
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Artificial Emotion
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^ I have seen the documentary more than once and still think it's a pile of garbage.
A debate involves the exchange of views - some of which may be contrary to your own so I suggest you get used to it without perceiving others' arguments as personal attacks.
If the DSM says it isn't clear on the issue then using it to validate your argument is a waste of time.
As for it not being 1973, the point was made to highlight that the DSM been subject to political influence. The point is moot though, because as you say in your own words it says it's not clear on the matter!
A debate involves the exchange of views - some of which may be contrary to your own so I suggest you get used to it without perceiving others' arguments as personal attacks.
If the DSM says it isn't clear on the issue then using it to validate your argument is a waste of time.
As for it not being 1973, the point was made to highlight that the DSM been subject to political influence. The point is moot though, because as you say in your own words it says it's not clear on the matter!
I didn't say it validates anything, I said it mentions marijuana with what I believe is good reasoning.
At the very least, it is worth the mentioning... there is no need to ignore it.
As far as mental health, a lot of things really aren't understood.
When it comes to drugs, we still don't understand everything either.
You combine the two, we have a lot of understanding to do.
A debate is alright, coming off sarcastically and insulting people isn't...there is no need to get that overly defensive.
This was not first intended to be a battle of sides and presenting evidence and facts arguing causes and so and so forth.
Obviously, it took that turn.
I didn't intend for thing to get this heated, lets take it down a notch.
It was meant to shine light on people's personal experiences both good and bad, and there is no need to try discredit anyone's view of how it effects them and prove them wrong.
At the very least, it is worth the mentioning... there is no need to ignore it.
As far as mental health, a lot of things really aren't understood.
When it comes to drugs, we still don't understand everything either.
You combine the two, we have a lot of understanding to do.
A debate is alright, coming off sarcastically and insulting people isn't...there is no need to get that overly defensive.
This was not first intended to be a battle of sides and presenting evidence and facts arguing causes and so and so forth.
Obviously, it took that turn.
I didn't intend for thing to get this heated, lets take it down a notch.
It was meant to shine light on people's personal experiences both good and bad, and there is no need to try discredit anyone's view of how it effects them and prove them wrong.
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psychomimetic
Bluelighter
The demon drug mariHUAna!!
I have tried a variety of pure sativas, I like them recreationally but they don't seem to cut it for me medically. When I get stoned I'm trying to ease anxiety, sedate myself, and slow my racing thoughts, and sativa doesn't do any of those as well as the heavy indicas. I'm not as apathetic with sativas. Recently what I've decided to start doing is smoke a very small bowl early in the day if I need it and then not smoking till 5 or 6 in the afternoon, thus making being lazy and apathetic less of a problem. I'm also kinda apathetic sober, but not nearly as much as when I get high.
I really like schwag, and it is sativa dominant strains but I think they have very high CBD levels (entirely subjectively), which I appreciate a lot. They give the kind of heavy, sedating, mind numbing high I want quite nicely, without impairing me as much as the super dank indicas.
In relation to schizophrenia, I recall reading a study that stated that CBD was more effective than the typically used drugs for treating schizophrenia. I can see how THC would worsen symptoms but CBD would make them better. I've taken Marinol on one occasion and found it to be unpleasant and not at all helpful for anxiety or depression.
So as far as taking pure THC or any pure cannabinoid, it's not at all comparable to smoking weed. I think I saw the scene with them IVing it into the British lady on the BBC doc but turned it off afterwards. I also think that the effects experienced by heavy or long term cannabis users are quite different then what a first time user would get. When I first smoked it was a lot like mushrooms, but less visual of course (still got CEVs a few times in the beginning). Now it's nothing of the sort. If my first marijuana experience was shooting up THC I'm sure it wouldn't seem fun to me and would probably freak me out.
I totally understand the reaction to these kinds of topics. I think anti-marijuana people in the media have a tendency to take the slightest thing and blow it entirely out of proportion. Like they hear that one person felt bad after smoking and suddenly "smoking makes you crazy!!!", they did the same thing with LSD and the ridiculous "it makes you think you can fly" style arguments, or what they say about research chemical psychedelics (see the MXE drowning article in DITM for an example). The mainstream media can't be trusted with such topics because their job is being sensationalist morons. Reefer Madness! all over again.
I think the best way to do this thread is to avoid any degree of generalization and recognize that we are all different, that way we can avoid arguing and maybe reach a higher collective understanding of the issue. Studies and subjective individual stories seem to be the best ways to approach this topic.
I don't think cannabis poses significant mental risks for the vast majority of people that use it. I also don't think cannabis can directly cause mental illness. What I suspect is that in some people cannabis could worsen an existing or emerging mental illness.