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Marijuana Is The Most Insidious Drug There Is

^ and your saying that coffee and physical activity dont have physical effects and cant lead to physical addiction?
 
Physical activity, no.

Coffee, yes.

But it is completely unreasonable to argue that either even come close to rivaling the addictive potential of weed.

People who miss their cup of coffee don't start feeling nausea, body pain, depression, anxiety, anhedonia and decreased appetite.

Let's be serious now. This is a harm reduction forum and ignoring the realities of the situation because we would like to tell ourselves that this is the perfect drug is foolish and irresponsible.

Trust me, I smoke weed too, but denial of the facts doesn't help anyone.
 
flacky said:
People who miss their cup of coffee don't start feeling nausea, body pain, depression, anxiety, anhedonia and decreased appetite.
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Withdrawal symptoms—possibly including headache, irritability, an inability to concentrate, drowsiness, insomnia and pain in the stomach, upper body, and joints[71]

withdrawal symptoms of caffeine. from wikipedia.
 
All extremely mild and none of which rival psychological effects such as anhedonia and anxiety. Let's stop playing games here.
 
I think marijuana and caffeine are about the same when it comes to withdrawal symptoms. I know people who get debilitating headaches when they don't get their caffeine. No games here, I'm serious.
 
Theres an extreme difference between "debilitating" headaches and anxiety and anhedonia that makes you literally nonfunctional. I know people who stop smoking weed and literally can't function properly. Everyone that I know (and I know people that are on 5 cups of coffee a day) who stops caffeine for a week has nothing more than headaches.
 
flacky said:
Theres an extreme difference between "debilitating" headaches and anxiety and anhedonia that makes you literally nonfunctional. I know people who stop smoking weed and literally can't function properly. Everyone that I know (and I know people that are on 5 cups of coffee a day) who stops caffeine for a week has nothing more than headaches.
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Everyone has a different reaction to each drug

I've known plenty of people who quit weed just like that and never even had a small headache or other problems... yet when they stopped drinking coffee they turned into a total monster

*shrug*

I think any time you try to make an absolute statement about "this substance is worse than this substance" you're going to run into problems b/c everybody is totally different

clearly you see MJ as a very scary and insidious thing that you need to be worried about and be protected from b/c it seems very powerful and in control of you

other people feel that way about other substances

yes there are people who have a hard time when they stop smoking pot, but some people don't, as much. i have no scientific evidence to back this claim up but just based on my own personal experience, i've noticed that far more people see weed as a very minor and inconsequential substance in their lives. the people who see is as a controlling, monstrous, addictive beast are far fewer.... but perhaps you've had a different experience than i have.

i wish you luck in getting control of your demons
 
Look, let's be honest here. This is a harm prevention board. Telling people that weed isn't addictive and that if it is, it's negligible is flat out irresponsible and is completely contrary to the whole point of this forum to begin with.

I've personally never smoked weed more than 2 days in a row because I think its pales in comparison to the other drugs I do, but I have many many friends who need to smoke it several times a day.
 
flacky said:
Look, let's be honest here. This is a harm prevention board. Telling people that weed isn't addictive and that if it is, it's negligible is flat out irresponsible and is completely contrary to the whole point of this forum to begin with.

I've personally never smoked weed more than 2 days in a row because I think its pales in comparison to the other drugs I do, but I have many many friends who need to smoke it several times a day.
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who said weed wasn't addictive?

as someone stated previously... people can get addicted to lots of things.

all i said was it's a negligible addiction for some, more serious for others

seems like you are just in a mood to argue. ;)

congrats on getting your bluelight status
 
As Anthony said, everybody is different. For some people marijuana is very easy to quit, for some it is not. Same for caffeine. There's no generalized statement we can make as to how any one human will be affected.
 
well for me weed is very addictive (psycologically at least). ive used benzos, speed, and opiates daily and honestly stopping those was pretty easy (again psycologically) but weed is one thing i jsut cant live without.
 
flacky said:
Look, let's be honest here. This is a harm prevention board. Telling people that weed isn't addictive and that if it is, it's negligible is flat out irresponsible and is completely contrary to the whole point of this forum to begin with.

I've personally never smoked weed more than 2 days in a row because I think its pales in comparison to the other drugs I do, but I have many many friends who need to smoke it several times a day.
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Woah, I missed a lot here...

I never said weed had no addiction potential, but I honestly feel that caffeine addiction is about parallel to weed addiction. I've been toking for 5ish years, the last two years almost daily for a while. I can take breaks no problem, it isn't even an issue. I can say the same about caffeine. I can also say the same about working out, if I miss a day at the gym, I feel like shit the next day.

I know several people that can't function at work without that first cup... I know several people that are miserable for a day or two without that first toke.

All I was saying was that although there is addiction potential, it is, for the most part, as negligible as drug addition gets. Don't kid yourself, weed is a drug, as is alcohol and caffeine, but it isn't what the media has made it out to be.

That said, whenever you make something a daily habit, you become VERY prone to making it an addiction. Anything can be dangerous out of moderation, including herb. I don't think the general/large population of weed smokers (past/present) are in danger of addiction.

EDIT: No need to call me completely moronic. I'm standing my ground on that one ;) But, everyone is different, I can only speak from my personal experiences (which are fairly decent representations of a general whole, I think).
 
Cannabinoids aren't physically addictive. They can be weakly mentally or habitual. I find the process of taking my bong to my window satisfying.
 
An4h0ny said:
all i said was it's a negligible addiction for some, more serious for others
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safety said:
There's no generalized statement we can make as to how any one human will be affected.
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We're on a harm reduction board. Some people don't have trouble taking heroin, other people end up with lifelong addictions. We can't say that heroin has only a negligible addiction, because it doesn't in most cases. Nor does weed.

mr.dopeman said:
weed is one thing i jsut cant live without.
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Other side of the coin.

chainer3k said:
I honestly feel that caffeine addiction is about parallel to weed addiction. [...] I can take breaks no problem, it isn't even an issue. [...] All I was saying was that although there is addiction potential, it is, for the most part, as negligible as drug addition gets. Don't kid yourself, weed is a drug, as is alcohol and caffeine, but it isn't what the media has made it out to be.
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Try stopping period. Also, see above.

gezgin said:
Cannabinoids aren't physically addictive. They can be weakly mentally or habitual. I find the process of taking my bong to my window satisfying.
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Sorry, but expression of cannabinoid receptors in the body says otherwise. The science doesn't lie.
 
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Yes, notice how cannabis has higher dependence liability than GHB, which is known to cause debilitating addiction. You should really learn how to read your own data before you post it.

I mean seriously, this goes exactly against your point. This graph says that Cannabis's dependence liability rivals Bupe and Ketamine. Seriously, are you blind?
 
flacky said:
Yes, notice how cannabis has higher dependence liability than GHB, which is known to cause debilitating addiction. You should really learn how to read your own data before you post it.

I mean seriously, this goes exactly against your point. This graph says that Cannabis's dependence liability rivals Bupe and Ketamine. Seriously, are you blind?
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What would you say my point is flacky?
 
safety said:
What would you say my point is flacky?
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Well, seeing how you've been arguing the exact opposite of what that graph says for the past 15 posts, it's fair to assume that you read the graph wrong and are trying to use it to justify your previous argument.

If you're changing your stance, you should note that to avoid confusion.
 
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