Trigger Warning Marijuana Dependence Linked to Higher Risk of Death, [NYT]

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Notice all those with so called CUD in the study were hospitalized for reasons never given in the NYT article [outside of the hospitalization being somehow caused by CUD]. Checking the study does not clear things up much.

I wonder what they mean "Mental Health Bed", as there is already a category for psychosis?

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Also a lot of them have been in for other drugs, esp liqour.

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Makes sense that if you're high all the time you have a higher risk of dying in a car crash or forklift accident or whatever
 
I agree it may be higher, but 3x higher claimed sounds way sus.

In this longitudinal population-based cohort study of 11.6 million people, we found that individualswith hospital-based care for CUD were at a 6-fold elevated risk of death compared with individuals ofthe same age and sex. There continued to be a 3-fold increased risk of death when trying to isolatethe effect of CUD by accounting for further differences in sociodemographic and comorbid mentaland substance use disorders and other chronic health conditions
 
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I personally quite enjoy so many things that increase the risk of death.. it would be a tragedy if im unfortunate enough to live well into old age.. ha thats not happening.. I'm just saying grass. Id like to see the numbers that compare reading the news compared to consuming THC. What promotes death quicker?
 
First I would like a definition of "causing social problems" (For me personally it does the opposite I would be an assaulting mofo it it wasn't for weed alledgedly. Are people like me a countermark - could I hypothetically say it helps for 2/3rds with social problems?

Health --- Stroke 42% increased chance which sucks but it does not mean you have a 42% chance of a stroke --- it means if you had a 10% chance you now have 14% (Did I do that math right, excuse and correct me if not)

Haha I would surely be dead or in jail from a temper outburst so I can say it increased my quantity of life
 
First I would like a definition of "causing social problems" (For me personally it does the opposite I would be an assaulting mofo it it wasn't for weed alledgedly. Are people like me a countermark - could I hypothetically say it helps for 2/3rds with social problems?

Health --- Stroke 42% increased chance which sucks but it does not mean you have a 42% chance of a stroke --- it means if you had a 10% chance you now have 14% (Did I do that math right, excuse and correct me if not)

Haha I would surely be dead or in jail from a temper outburst so I can say it increased my quantity of life
My biggest observations as a clinician who works in addictions and has patients who struggle with cannabis dependence are:

1) Increased baseline anxiety that creeps up over time which self-reinforces use of cannabis to reduce anxiety

2) impaired quality of sleep as it disrupts REM cycles and limits/eliminates dreaming

3) Decreased motivation/volition/attention with concurrent hyperfixation on certain thoughts/activities while making it hard to pay attention to other things (impaired cognitive flexibility and elasticity)

4) Complacency

5) Paranoid ideation/apophenia/conspiratorial thinking/magical thinking/suspiciousness

6) Apathy to personal growth/ambivalence to changing other areas of ones life.

Obviously these things may vary person to person with some people having few if any negative effects while others experiencing most or all if not more. There is a psychological dependence that is less intensely compulsive than nicotine while still being very difficult to successfully address without support. There are ways in which it can sneak into people's sense of identity that make it difficult to disengage from using when people seek to do so.

Additionally - it has significant cardiovascular risks associated with chronic use increasingly the likelihood of heart attacks, strokes and other related health effects. Again - this is the kind of thing that can be managed by other lifestyle choices but it is certainly a consideration.

Finally - it seems to increase vulnerability to psychotic thinking in individuals who may be borderline risk for such things if they weren't using cannabis. It can do so in an insidious way that seems to come out of nowhere until it's obvious to everyone but the users themselves. Obviously, frequency, dose, and context are huge variables here - plenty of people use cannabis without detrimental effects. However, as strains have become more potent and access to high potency formulations have become increasingly normalized - more and more children and adults are becoming chronic daily cannabis users than ever before. It is more common for people to use cannabis daily than to drink alcohol according to national data from this past year.
 
4 and 6 apply --- 5 was rational as it was illegal at the time. Same with psychedelics if you are prone to schizophrenia etc it isn't gunna help the process.

Thank God it is more common for ppl to use cannabis daily than alcohol -- that shit is a straight neurotoxin
 
As I have stated for 50 years, these attributes thrown at cannabis are more of a symptom of other issues than the cause IMO.

Also, you can replace the word cannabis with TV.

I’m not saying there’s not issues, but we live in a society where all of us stuff a ton of chemicals in our body. How could we know anything. Remind me of the turmeric study my father-in-law was in. They took his results as objective findings. Yet this man was on five different medication’s as he was taking his turmeric.

If any substance is giving a person a problem, they really should stay away. It has to be up to them to know.

We should have a test of college students that smoked cannabis through their finals and got honor rolls. Now that would be a study too.
 
Who are these studies and articles for? The study is shoddy at best, fear mongering rarely gets users of a drug to stop (drugs proven to be far more dangerous than weed are still widely used), and the average person has enough common sense to realize THC prohibition is pointless when alcohol remains both legal and culturally entrenched.

I'm not denying that there are unique risks to THC, just like all substances, but there are some pretty questionable elements to these studies. I also think "Cannabis use disorder" is pretty much in the same category as things like "porn addiction", being primarily a symptom of an existing mental health issue when it exists.
 
^ JackaRoe has VERY VERY valid point with his comment on the "tumeric" study. Like the 1 joint is = to 6 cigarettes. (Based on amount of tar produced, but not all tar is the same clearly). Pretty sure the "Beard has more bacteria than a toilet seat" they grabbed like homeless guys with beards. NEED FULL CONTEXT including how the study was done - how many ppl - where etc.

tryptakid -- Canabis Dependency haha ok you work in some kind of medical setting. I gotta ask this question "Cannabis Toxicity" is it a real diagnosis and what are the standards if so?? Only time I have ever seen a doctor laughed out of a room was when my dad was sick; our whole pot smoking family is there and the doctor turns around and declares a case of 'cannabis toxicity' - there was a pause we all looked at eachother in a moment of *This make sense to anyone, no?* than we all burst out laughing and the doctors face turned bright red and he ducked out of the room. He left and never paid that bill lol. I suspect dehydration was the real culprit as the hydration worked. FTR no more pot was smoked that night than any other.

REAL RESPONSE sorry had to share that anecdote and I got respect for what you say and would like an (professional?) opinion

1. Quite possible. Not an issue for me as I have had panic attacks and insomnia since about 3 so I never had good night sleep till I discovered pot. Certainly helps anxiety for me -- GIANT CRUTCH while cutting down on benzos. (These are all going to be anectdotal to me or my observations!)

2. ^ See answer to 1. When I got thrown on probation my insomnia returned and I was forced to go to a doctor so I got tossed on benzos (which I planned to dump when I started smoking again -- I had good intentions lol). REM sleep cycle; THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO THAT. Are these people allowed cigarettes still because I do notice since I have picked up vaping (rather heavily - shutup) I do notice myself waking up every 4 to 6 hours instead of 8. My pops smoked 2 1/2 packs a day and he would wake up every 3 hours or so. (Also a chronic pot smoker). I have seen this in other cases too but it almost always overlaps with either nicotine or alcohol which have a shorter halflife(I think?) so I suspect them the culprits first.

3. I rate this True! The key is to channel the thought loop into a positive track "Ill smoke and focus on my hobby" -- All true though IME. It is not that you become cognitively impaired or deficient as much as your brain just seems to learn to work a certain way. (Tough concept to explain - damn pot brain!)

4. Also True! This can be a good thing or a bad thing -- on the large scale usually bad. But if I am ever thinking about doing anything 'harsh' I always smoke a joint and think it through logically for an hour. Almost always I do not proceed. If a joint and my thoughts can't find a decent reason not to do it. (more importantly a proper way to do it). Well I may proceed. On the LARGER SCALE -- YES THIS IS THE BIGGEST ANTI POT SPEAKING POINT THERE IS TO YOUNG PEOPLE. "Nothing wrong with smoking pot but you will be satisfied with sitting around watching bad TV and these are important years in life to make progress" -- What years aren't?

5. Paranoid -- again tough one because the police have been actively up my arse till marijuana was legalized. (Full fledge raid - charge attempted possession of codeine. Literally pulled a wire off someone sending all the wrong vibes than wanted to pay in money not trade. No charge. 2 CI's tried to get me to go to metro I guess to get dope (they kinda sprung it on me in the car I was not into that idea -- so they pulled the car over) Constructive poss of a MJ pipe in his car and no I wasn't driving nor was it on my person.
So paranoid -- yes; moreso than appropriate, I don't know. (If pot is illegal it only makes sense to be paranoid - if most of the time you smoked it was it is kind of embedded, same with suspicion. 3 times before that attempted codeine shite a wired up fella came in and was told Im not a drug dealer kick rocks and I still got raided. I know of at least 5 times I have been in the room with someone wearing a wire. Many more have tried to lead me to setup type situations. THANK GOD POT IS LEGAL. --- MAGICAL THINKING-- Well I don't quite know how you mean? Like believe in ghosts and aliens and the possibility of the multiverse -- if so mostly guilty. Superstitious - less so (but I did watch dogma before every probation meeting so maybe guilty)

6. True and I would give the same quote regarding that being the biggest reason to avoid pot.

So out of the things you have noticed over the years I cannot say any DO NOT APPLY AT ALL......I can say there were a few I was stuck with either way and the MJ helps with those. Even the problem areas I have mostly learned to spin in a positive direction.

Very accurate post overall. The psychology side of my brain is laughing saying "look at you trying to justify these things away in your particular case" so it definitely rang some truth bells.
 
Well we are always dying to give them a hand ....

In that case marijuana dependency is a brochiodialotor and has been known to clear things like asthma up. Smoking pot daily is about equal to and much less addictive than a benzo.

I recommend mandatory marijuana usage 2x a month so drug tests no longer exist

Go with Tryptakids observations if you really must
 
Now, two weeks before the preliminary hearing proceedings are scheduled to begin on Dec. 2, cannabis rescheduling advocates are not only accusing the DEA of attempting to manipulate the hearing process by stacking the deck in favor of prohibitionists via the participation list, but the joint motion Pennington filed on Monday claims that the DEA colluded with prohibitionists.

“The deck is stacked such that you have all these prohibitionists working with them,” Pennington said. “Then we find out that DEA has been colluding with SAM behind the scenes, and SAM’s been bragging about it on social media.”

bragging [blatantly in a comment lower down]
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The DEA lying; Never. Marijuana is a bronchiodiolator and the girl I dated had asthma so bad she needed a sleep apnea machine -- than no asthma after daily pot smoking. Anectdotal yes logical also yes.

Fuckin Biden trying to get weed not schedule 1 ---- Thank god we don't have a demented old man running the country anymore. (Insert the appropriate amount of sarcasm for your opinion)

As long as they stay busy for the next few days w/e
 
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