Well 502 is obviously not perfect, but it's a step. I dont see any reason that someone pro full legalization would appose it.
This law is just another attempt to corporatize a plant that will make them millions...
I for one would just like to see the power over production of marijuana in the hands of the people, not the Government we all know and hate
Back when alcohol prohibition was repealed, only beer with less than 3% alcohol was legal initially. Over time, alcohol possession laws have evolved to where they are now. Don't expect cannabis to be much different.
sekio;10873179 said:If by your prediction the price of marijuana will go up, start growing yourself when it's legalized and save money. Having it remain illegal makes reliance on expensive gray market drugs much more of a problem.
For one, you can't grow under 502... at all.
Part III establishes a license system for marijuana producers, processors and retailers. Initial licenses shall be $250 with an annual renewal fee of $1000. Rules prohibit producers and processors from having any financial interest in retailers, much like the three-tier system for hard liquor in control states.
Folley;10864218 said:treezy z said:further legalization can come in another bill.
No one can guarantee this. Common sense says the Government will never give up control of the monopoly that will make them billions once they have it
Folley;10867128 said:curioushat said:So congratulations, if you stop the passage of 502, there will be no 514! Or any other bill in Washington.
Nice job.
Lol.
No one can say this for sure, not with a serious face on at least.
Folley said:Those of us who are heavy smokers are going to be paying a LOT more for weed (15 a gram usually), and you can add a hefty tax on top of that. Now all the sudden that gram is costing you almost $20... yeah, there's no way I could continue to smoke with those kind of prices.
Folley;10873247 said:and that whole "weed is expensive because it's illegal" is bull shit... Medical weed is legal but it's like a third more expensive than the same quality of illegal weed
$linky;10874924 said:Medical cannabis is not legal, it is still a scheduled drug; even with a medical card it's not legal on a federal level. Dispensaries are naturally put in the eye of authorities, because they are legal at the state level. The risk of a dispensary getting raided by a federal organization is high, and as such you are going to pay for that risk. The quality of product is also very high, think about the price ranges of scotch, or other liquors. Also because a dispensary can only sell to those with an MMJ card, they are not in a position to undercut dealers at all. The patients buying from them are given this choice: Buy cheap schwag from a dealer; Buy expensive weed from a dealer; buy expensive weed from a dispensary.
If marijuana was legal, the market would undergo many changes. Supply would likely increase, and at first demand would spike. However as seen in the Netherlands, my prediction of usage is that it will actually decrease slightly below the current level. With lower demand, less risk, and higher supply the prices will decrease. When it becomes a legal business, the enormous drop in risk will result in less cost to growers, dealers and users. It will cascade all the way down to the prices.
Think back to the 1920's during prohibition. Bootlegged alcohol, was usually very watered down and made to maximize profits. They also charged many times more for bootleg than was ever charged before prohibition. Weed is currently being inflated exponentially by being illegal, because there are 0 controls on anything in a black market.
killermunchies;10875552 said:Weed, on the other hand, gets made in relatively small grow houses, gets shipped in someones spare tire well a few bags at a time, goes through a half dozen drug dealers who all want good money for their risk, and then finally gets to the people paying $20 for a gram.
If marijuana was legal, the market would undergo many changes. Supply would likely increase
See how divisively hypocritical your argument is? On the one hand, you're telling us all that "the people" will have endless opportunities for legalization no matter how often you turn them down. And on the other hand you're saying that once a bill passes "the people" will never be able to change it again. Come on mate, just listen to the bollocks you're talking
Anyone else who decides to risk the new laws and keep growing (even medical patients who have been growing legally for years) could face up to 10 years in jail for growing a plant.
The piss/blood test is for THC only (NOT the metabolites that last forever! only active THC), and has a reasonably high cutof
lololol what the fuck? Is this weed or heroin?
No, it get's grown by a guy who has probably been making a living off weed for the past 15 years, sold by the pound to a distributor who breaks it down into QPs and ounces and sells it to a dealer who sell it for usually $10 a gram..
So legal weed is cheaper then huh? What about in Amsterdam? That's a great example, is it not? They have no risk there... and they sell the weed for 13 Euro a gram. That's 16 USD, more expensive than the medical weed.
So everything you said is based on bull shit.
Supply would go down, as only Government licensed growers would be able to produce weed for the shops.. and those grows are likely to be Government run as well. Anyone else who decides to risk the new laws and keep growing (even medical patients who have been growing legally for years) could face up to 10 years in jail for growing a plant.
Both of those quotes are saying the same thing, you have just yet to realize the argument I'm making. No matter how often we turn them down? You just pulled that out of your ass. I'm telling you that we don't need to settle for this law that is designed to use what we want against us. We are simply being too eager to give FULL power over marijuana to the government. Currently, we run this market, and it's been working fine for us. We all want it legalized, and the Gov. realizes this so they're using that eagerness against us so they can set up their Marijuana Monopoly
So you guys know that with this law, they will also be instating a new policy to check for stoned drivers... anyone who tests positive on a pee test can get charged with a DUS. That means even a MONTH after your last joint, you can get hauled to jail for being a danger on the road.
Did you guys also support that, or just the part where you can buy weed from a store..? Because if we vote for this, we get both.
This law does a LOT more than you people realize.
What is wrong with growers being government licensed?
Only a small number of growers WILL BE ABLE TO get licenses,
Folley;10875706 said:Both of those quotes are saying the same thing, you have just yet to realize the argument I'm making. [Survived Abortion's Note: referring to my quotes in post #64 of the conversation between treezy z and Folley, and curioushat and Folley]
Folley said:No one can guarantee this. Common sense says the Government will never give up control of the monopoly that will make them billions once they have ittreezy z said:further legalization can come in another bill. [Survived Abortion's Note: in the context of the original post, treezy z was saying that further amendments and reforms can be made to this law once it has passed, and you knew this and responded thusly]
Folley said:curioushat said:So congratulations, if you stop the passage of 502, there will be no 514! Or any other bill in Washington.
Nice job. [Survived Abortion's Note: in the context of the discussion, curioushat is clearly voicing his/her concerns that there may not be another chance for full legalization in Washington for quite a while.]
Lol.
No one can say this for sure, not with a serious face on at least.
arguing that you will have endless opportunities for legalization
Folley;10875706 said:Anyone else who decides to risk the new laws and keep growing (even medical patients who have been growing legally for years) could face up to 10 years in jail for growing a plant.
NEW SECTION. Sec. 9. For the purpose of carrying into effect the
provisions of this act according to their true intent or of supplying
any deficiency therein, the state liquor control board may adopt rules
not inconsistent with the spirit of this act as are deemed necessary
or advisable. Without limiting the generality of the preceding
sentence, the state liquor control board is empowered to adopt rules
regarding the following:
(12) Identification, seizure, confiscation, destruction, or
donation to law enforcement for training purposes of all marijuana,
useable marijuana, and marijuana-infused products produced, processed,
sold, or offered for sale within this state which do not conform in
all respects to the standards prescribed by this act or the rules
adopted to implement and enforce it: PROVIDED, That nothing in this
act shall be construed as authorizing the state liquor control board
to seize, confiscate, destroy, or donate to law enforcement marijuana,
useable marijuana, or marijuana-infused products produced, processed,
sold, offered for sale, or possessed in compliance with the Washington
state medical use of cannabis act, chapter 69.51A RCW.
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sekio;10881995 said:If 502 passes there is nothing preventing future bills from amending or altering it.