Many psychiatric meds are actually delirants!!

[dopamimetic]

Many psychiatric meds are potential delirants!!

This is so unbelievably ridiculous but it seems to be a hard fact (they are similar in action to the well-known and 'abused' diphenhydramine or even scopolamine / atropine etc. - anticholinergics!) - I've just posted the backgrounds in the Neuroscience section. Sorry for cross-referencing, but I think it's really really important information to spread!

Love to read your opinions on this.

 

[LifeIsStrange]

That is why I will not take this creepy stuff. I think big pharma will develop zombie meds. Because big wars and crisis are coming.
And then you need a big ammount of zombies ppl they do not care. They are trying to let us forget what they done with us. Only for the money since the beginning. The high society do not give a fuck about us, as long as we sleep their created world.
If we wake up. And understand who is the puppet master. The can not control us any more.

For example. French declares war on Germany. Why should we go there - and kill may be someone who has the same interests or is may be in my blood line. War was always inducted by the leaders to get more power. This is one example. Why should a normal person kill another? But the soldiers where pumped with meds (eg. Go-Pills (Amphetamine)) so they do what they do. Like killing civilians.

Or the bank system (look at FuckTheWorldSachs). Oh my. And they create fear, because if we have fear - they don't have.
Because if we got no fear - we will kick their asses from this planet.

This is the root of the type of meds that are developed these times. IMHO.
That is a little aside from your thread, but I think we should mention this too.

Greez

 

[dopamimetic]

Don't know if it's so easy, conspiracy theories are mostly not exactly true but they are good ways to distract the masses from what's really going on, and there's much behind the scenes we shouldn't think about, yeah..

But here concerning the neuroleptics, I really think it's just about ignorance, flawed obsolete theories and stigma.

 

[herbavore]

Here is a very interesting talk/discussion with Will Hall about a harm reduction approach to medications.

 

[Kittycat5]

I really think you should retitle the post as they are potential delieriants. Even things like atropine and scopolomine dont necessarily induce delirium and neither do antipsychotics. As I said in the other thread, it is of most concern in the elderly. I am not saying that current neuroleptics are the complete answer, but delirium is just not as big a deal in most patients. Remember Paracelsus. Dose that makes the poison.

 

[dopamimetic]

Okay, potential delirants. Peace But the downsides they cause are very real, they range from akathisia over chronic dysphoria, panic / anxiety, destroyed self esteem, permanent dyskinesia and irreversible cognitive impact, asexuality, diabetes up to these (not exactly rare) cases of exacerbated psychotomimetic symptoms like hearing voices, irrational thinking and all that.

Also for some they just don't work but everyone gets the antidopaminergic side effects.

By just sedating the people in the acute phase, using anti-excitatory agents or very carefully titrated dosages of dopamine antagonists that lack anticholinergic activity until we have better things available the psychiatry could be improved so endless much. There's a general lack of time, empathy and common sense.

And there are now things like cholinesterase inhibitors, piracetam, N-acetylcysteine, memantine that are actually available as generics and would just need to be prescribed. They can be used along with antipsychotics.

 

[Kittycat5]

I dont think we are arguing by the way. You make extremely valid points about how we just throw meds at psychiatric patients and surely we need new therapies both drug and non-drug based. I think we just differ on the potential of delirium from neuroleptics, not anything else.

 

[dopamimetic]

Kittycat, thanks by the way from time to time I miss somewhat that one just says, hey, you're right probably on this and that, but the other points are wrong because..etc. they'll just pick some points and argue against them. Maybe this is a problem from online discussions?

As I've said in the NSPD thread, I'm probably looking a bit too much at just the dark side of the whole picture, there are many people for whom these meds are the less worse choice currently - but the side effects ('collateral damage') are real too and (some) professionals lack the time, ability or empathy in rigid systems to help them out. This is not the fault of these medicines or a single person at all but as we know many systems are flawed, not at last from the political side e.g. war on drugs and crazy FDA decisions / restrictions.

It's really sad that innovative ways like the Soteria project have such a hard time to get allowed at all and even more to raise the funds they need..

As I've wrote somewhere else already, there was just recently a very interesting documentary on TV about a novel truly intriguing form of genetic therapy against an inherited form of macula degeneration involving genetically modified viruses to re-write the DNA and actually prevent people from becoming blind. And they did not get a single cent from the authorities / official sides but needed to cover the entire international research co-operation with donations!! That is really crazy when we spend billions for destruction / military and all that.

 

[Kittycat5]

Christ, that part about macular degeneration is depressing. I totally could see the biotech companies sending out their lobbyists to fight this as drugs like Lucentis/Avastin are hugely profitable. I know I am sounding like the cure for cancer conspiracy theorist here, but that is something I dont buy into. Oncologists and their teams are too compasionate to let a cure be suppressed, but Pharma has done worse in relating to the macular degeneration issue. Do you have a name for this documentary?

 

[dopamimetic]

It's been on the French/German channel 'arte', but the co-operation was between France and California, if I'm right ... this is what I found about:

Gene Therapy for Macular Degeneration

Der zweite Frühling der Gentherapie
Neue Gentherapie für unheilbare Augenkrankheit

Seems they are into much more than just this one particular form of inherited blindness ... wow! But it's so endlessly frustrating that they have to collect donations for such stunning science - if we'd use just part of the military funds for research & education, we might already have spaceships or whatever ...

The achievements of the last two decades or so are plainly incredible.

 

[someguy15]

Look, mental health is really a giant euphemism for a practice where people pretend to be helping people they hurt. Want to get someone whacked but don't have mob connections? No problem. Call the local mental health hotline and pretend they're suicidal. If you don't get your ass locked up for committing that crime (and in some cases, like my parents', the police don't give a shit and won't help me despite the obviously fraudulent nature of their call), they'll get doped up and they will never be the same. Take a moderately stupid guy like I was and you can turn him into a retard like I'm becoming, even years after I stopped taking those drugs.

That's the reality of what that shit is really about. Docs just want the money and the prestige, but they will never grow a conscience, ever. They're incapable as long as they keep telling themselves / being told they're god's gift to mankind.