Man died after taking 15 ecstasy tabs

You have a good point, there isn't any reliable data for humans. I'm not sure about as low as 1-2g though... at least not the lower end of that range. If the LD50 was approaching 1g, then the LD10 could easily be in the zone where loads of people would be dropping dead each weekend (i.e. from eating 4 or 5 good strength pills or something like that) which we know isn't the case.

However, if the LD50 was a bit higher, like 4 or 5g, then I could maybe see the LD10 being a couple of grams, and this guy might have found himself in the unlucky 10%. Although there may have been other contributing factors too, like if he'd been drinking earlier in the evening etc.
 
kittyinthedark said:
^Exactly. You can die from eating 15 tylenol too... Or drinking 15 glasses of beer....
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C'mon now. Do you also equate taking 3 tylenol or drinking 3 alcoholic beverages with triple dumping E pills?

Eating 7.5g of apap or taking the = of 15 shots is a bad idea but, if you're eating 15 pills in 4 hours you're not just stupid, but also mentally disturbed and trying to hurt yourself IMO.
 
If the LD50 was approaching 1g, then the LD10 could easily be in the zone where loads of people would be dropping dead each weekend (i.e. from eating 4 or 5 good strength pills or something like that) which we know isn't the case.
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I would distinguish between single-dose and multi-dose regimens; taking five pills over the course of the evening is not the same thing as taking five in one swallow. The spread of lethal dosages in the case reports doesn't help much; several people have survived deliberate(?) overdoses of 40+ pills, while there are also at least a couple of cases of apparent overdose deaths from one or two pills. It seems reasonable to regard both extremes as freak occurrences.
 
^^^ many people in the UK take 4 pills in one go. I know of at least 10 people who quad drop on a regular basis. I know one person who dropped 600mg of mdma powder in one go. Granted these people get really, really fucked up, but they don't die.

Obviously 10 people is hardly anything to go on, but I suspect this type of behaviour is not that rare. And you don't hear of very many deaths from e.
 
^Those people also probably have quite the tolerance to ecstacy and know, some what, of what there doing.
 
I agree with everyones sentiment here...dangers of taking ecstacy? More like it points out the dangers of being a complete fucking moron.

There's one for a darwin award...
 
i had a guy in my house once that kept wanting to swallow pills. by the time he got to his 7th pill, he looked like he was about to fall off his chair but kept on wanting to continue going. For people who are paying $20 per tablet versus £3 each, there is a big cost differential that can help to explain different behaviours. I think pure uncontaminated MDMA spaced apart in regular intervals is not dangerous. But for me even something as light as smoking a joint can massively affect how I am likely to react to a given predicament.
 
Fishface said:
I would have hoped that Bluelighters were enlightened enough to show some compassion for others - yes, this man's actions were fool-hardy - but it's almost inevitable that there was something in his life which drove him to such excess - and also have a thought for those that he left behind.
Let's not be too quick to judge - 'There is little benefit to be found in examining the faults of others, while there is every benefit to examine one's own faults'.
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Its true, good point, however it's people like this that give drugs and drug-users a bad image... people always think that ecstasy is sooo dangerous because so many people died, but if you actually look at it, most of the time its people who do things like this ^^^. Lets just say, this guy is one of the many that has contributed to ecstasy being illegal and looked down upon because of irresponsible use.
 
Clause said:
He probably should have taken less.
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He should have taken more, if he were gonna die, might as well load up while he can ;p

Other than that, im glad you interpretted the article correctly ;p
 
techtech said:
Shit - I wonder if he was doing the 24pills:24hr challenge? Maybe he was running out of time?
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Are there really people around who have started trying to do this. I find this to be absolutely fucking insane if there are. 8o 8o
 
Back a few year's ago, I know people eating 10 or more, on many many occasion's, when i was just taking 2 and feeling great all night. But it's stupid in my opinion, that has to be doing something to you inside, Fuckin your brain up. Damn, that's why i quit doing it all together. People just got really feened out on em like crack and started trying to pull jackmoves at the club. Fuggin smellin like a vapor rup factory. Club X in Louisville. Fuck that, that's like trying to smoke an 8 of some good ice, as fast as you can or shoot it, why would you want to eat 10 pills, damn.

Im stoned, sorry if this shit didn't make any sense
 
Hmmm...Several things in this article just don't add up....

First thing is that they never really refer to what is in the pill...they just continually use 'ecstasy'. This way, even though he likely died because of excess methamphetamine (which is only there because MDMA is illegal), they can make the case that 'ecstasy' is the cause.

It doesn't specify exactly what the cause of death was either...There is probably a good chance it was from overheating, but was it preventable (i.e. was he dancing for 4 hours without having any water?)

The MDMA FAQ states that the LD50 is 80mg/kg of bodyweight (although it doesn't specify that it refers to humans, it implies it). So with the amount that he took it was unlikely that ONLY the drug was to blame (other factors again, age etc.)

And then the other thing that I don't understand is the 5.3mgs per mL of blood...Am I making a huge mistake here, or does that just not make sense? Assuming (only) 4 litres of blood in the body, along with a generous 100% absorption from oral consumption would lead to 20,000 mgs of 'ecstasy' taken....He must have had some great pills....
 
Maybe they had adulterants or some MDxx mixture in them.

Then again maybe he's just been abusing his body with ecstasy for a long time, maybe even a decade, on a regular basis and his body slowly deteriorated.

MDMA isn't as safe as everyone makes it out to be. I've seen and experienced stroke-like effects from only around 300mg, ir at least a bad case of bells palsy.

MDMA is bad past a certain dose, and that dose is different for everybody.
 
People take a lot of pills all of the time. I've watched my friend take 8 medium strength pills off top (I took one, then an hour later another -- so they weren't nearly bunk -- my tolerance is average). I saw this, too. Some people have high tolerances. You don't know the guy. He may have taken this many before plenty of times. Just like a heroin user can take large amounts of heroin once his tolerance gets up, so can an MDMA user.
 
Mr. Pastorius said:
Darwinism strikes again.

Sorry for the newbie question but whats LD50? I'm assuming LD stands for "lethal dose", but what does the 50 signify?
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LD50 - The dose that has been determined to be lethal to 50% of the test population.
 
I was really stupid when i was 17 went to Ibiza for a week and did 30 pills in 5 days really good stuff to and did a gram of coke in one night, didnt eat in 3days was up all night and day clubbin was like a zombie for 2 weeks when i got home lol
 
^I don't understand this nonsense. I mean I understand drug addiction and all, but when someone consumes 30 pills in 5 days, and they AREN'T suicidal...WTF? WHY? Isn't there something deep down inside you telling you that you are doing serious permanent damage? Do you just not care?

I don't get it.
 
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