• LAVA Moderator: Shinji Ikari

Man and Dude and Bro (& co.)

Srsly, after reading this thread, I think I might just seek out some 'duuuude'-reduction therapy. I call pretty much every male my age or younger 'dude' in real life. I had no idea how annoying or wrong-message-sending this could be.
 
I remember back in elementary school everyone thought they were so clever by pointing out that dude meant an ingrown hair on an elephant's butt :|.
 
I am actually surprised at how many straight older men ( of the baby boomer generation ) call me babe.
LOL I was going to say the same thing! Very strange.

Jamshyd, don't ever come to California with that attitude! ;)

I was raised on these words. They are ingrained in my vocabulary. To not say these words would be like me trying not to say the word "cool". Equating the usage of those words to homophobia boggles my mind lol. I even call girls around here bro.

I can't tell you how hard I am laughing right now. I would die without these words.

You know what it is? It's an informal term of endearment that isn't too intimate. My co-worker is leaving work right now and he was letting me know that I am the last one here. He said "Alright dude, you're the last one here" instead of saying "Alright Damien, you're the last one here". If he had said my name instead of "dude" it would have put out a type for formality that may be interpreted as condescension. It would be like me calling my wife by her name instead of sweetheart or something like that.

Srsly, after reading this thread, I think I might just seek out some 'duuuude'-reduction therapy.
I don't know if you're serious about this or not but you know what? Fuck em. :D
 
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I had no idea how annoying or wrong-message-sending this could be.

I like jam, but , Dude--It aint none of those things, especially the last one. especially in a country where english is the language...Homie was havin problems with it becuz he said he dont understand where it ranks on a scale of formal or intimacy in any of his non english languages becuz they dont have equivalent of it, so it was hard for him to figure out where it belonged , like if u call someone that becuz u like them, or dont like them, if you are close to them or formal with them,etc. but you dont need to go around bein all ultra sensitive and shit now becuz one person has a misunderstanding of the meaning of a common word that almost all of us uses.

Jam me and you always talk n shit and you know Im cool wit u, so dont feel like I am talkin shit cuz I aint. but straight up, thinking that its homophobic or something is one of the most ridiculous things i ever heard. Not becuz I aint gay so i aint sensitive to issues like that or that i am ignorant of how it couldd be antigay or somethin, but Seriously, just becuz it really, really AINT. they just aint got nothing to do with each other. if you think its homophobic becuz men say it to each other instead of their names, becuz they are secretly homophobic becuz they dont want to use each others names becuz that would be too loving for them or somethin, i think you are kind of confused of the meaning of these words which is pretty m uch, nothing.

Imagine if you didnt know the meaning of a word in a different language, and you thought it was a insult cuz u aint familiar with it, but it turns out to be somethin else completely, even somethin semi friendly. U feel me? its something like that. america is a laid back very casual type of country in general compared to alot of other ones, and english is a pretty un formal kind of language, so if you call someone dude or bro or man instead of their name, it really dont mean a thing at all, you readin way too much into it. it aint cuz youre avoiding being close, or respectful to them, by sayin any of these words instead of their name. And, wats the alternative ifit aint their name? sayin ''hey you''? lol. now THAT actually COULD come offf as rude.

As far as why ppl say it instead of names, well Using somebodys name can get repetivie first thing. second, it can be formal like damien said. third it can also be more intimate . Like "i like the art you do man" is one thing, but "i like the art you do anthony" is kind of more serious, something that a person who is close to the guy would say. So i guess that is where you were seein the gay phobic part of it but trust us when we tell you it aint like that, its just that here we dont really address each other by name except when its necessary like introducin to new ppl, at school/court/watever, etc, at work, or shit like that. otherwise, its a sign of bein familiar with somebody or also if you dont want to seem too familiar. LOL no wonder youre confused, i guess it is kind of complicated now that you made it that way! Damn u!! lol jk. ;)

Imagine if your girl spills your drink and instead of bein like , Dude, that wasnt cool ! you be like, Jahaira, that wasnt cool! it makes it so serious when it aint.

LOL i never thought I would be even thinkin about somethin like ethis much less writin out a whole post on it, ONly on bluelight yo, only on bluelight.....8);)
 
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Fool is another one. It's more pronounced like 'full' or 'foll' tho.

I dunno. I picked it up when I was hanging out with kids from the Inland Empire alot, even tho it was always prevalent around here.
LOL I don't say nigga. I think I would get laughed out of a room or slapped or something if I tried to pull that one off.

One of my ex boyfriends used to use it all the time and his friend paid me $3 to say "nigga please!" They laughed for about 5 minutes.

Was he black? seriously WTF is it with nigga. I've known 4 people in my life who used nigga nonstop. One was Samoan, one was white, one Puerto Rican, and the other was either Hispanic or Portuguese.
 
I guess I'm the only one not offended when someone calls me buddy ?

Oh I'm the same way Loblaw. I think that's more of a southern thing, you know i guess it sounds a little dated or what have you to outsiders. "my buddy" just seems overly corny to most, and if they're calling me that, it must be out of sarcasm or spite. But I woulnd't call you a buddy, if I didn't at least think I thought you were an alright "dude"

Hahah I'll call my friends 'boss' every once in awhile, but it's always an obvious joking manner. I just think it sounds funny.Ok Jam, I will admit, I probably do overuse the terms. I find myself literally ending every sentence with 'man'

Got me thinking about it though, and i really think it comes down to my (un) comfort level when speaking with others. I've always been quite shy when talking to people I dont know very well, to the point of being borderline parnoid/anxious. I find 'man' to help complete a part of a sentence where I'd usually just fumble, or say something out of left field just trying to have a normal conversation:( however grammatically, politically, whatever incorrect it is.

On another note, just so this is out there, N3O, you can call me 'man', 'dude'...hell, i'll be your 1st 'mate'=D=D
'babe' whatever suits you best at the moment I'm all good cuz I like the way you talk<3
 
lacey, I think this is where I stand on this now: 'Dude' just kind of rolls out of my mouth naturally. It's my style of greeting. So I'm not going to stop using it. :)

I understand why these words are annoying if they're forced, and it's obvious the person is trying to cop some kind of style that's not theirs. I also understand why they're annoying if you don't have a good sense of how the other person will appreciate it. I don't call older men 'dude', because they don't usually like it.
 
You know what it is? It's an informal term of endearment that isn't too intimate.

Yeah, it's familiarity with limits. As in, you're a man, too. Or you are my brother man. At least those terms are redeemable, just paying attention to context will give you a feel for the ratio between much true love unto the brother man and the kinds of laziness and insincerity that are often easily forgiveable because as a lot of people here have said they drop those words in conversation as a habitual part of their own style of language use.

the problem is there are too many insincere people in the world which is why it's important to be the recognized friend of whoever you're trying to dude or bro


Buddy almost always seems belittling. And dude is just annoying to me, I always try to think of the Big Lebowski when someone is dudeing too much. If I use it it always represents falling into my personality from early high school and stoner culture.
 
My speech is peppered with "dudes" and "mans", but I couldn't really tell you why. It seems to come out more when I get excited, rather than being based on the formality of my relationship with my conversational partner. I will address women and men as "dude" or "man" with roughly equal frequency.

Why? I'm not sure. I could make some post-hoc explanations, but I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in them. I could be performing West-coast. I could be differentiating myself from people who say "bro". Maybe it's a simple inflection marker, denoting an environment that is both relaxed and engaging. Or maybe it's linked to latent homophobia, but I'm having trouble coming up with parsimonious linkages.

ebola
 
You're homo as well, if I'm not mistaken? See what I mean? It just doesn't make sense to gay guys, it seems!

I think it's because many gay guys (well, you and me, anyway) have realised that they don't have to constantly assert their own gender identity - considering "bro" etc. seem to be things that people with a masculine gender identity say.

Hahaha this is true. X that one out

No, don't! =D
 
I think these words descent and are used by mainly the drug culture and have been for 30 or40 years, it's more casual and you don't have to say the persons name before every question or sentence, if everyone said your name all the time after every sentence you would be annoyed. Plus in drug culture you may not want everyone to know your name.

I mean can you imagine all your buddies/mates calling you sir or mam, when they ask of you.
dude, man, mate makes alot of sense if you really think about it, besides I wouldn't know how to start a sentence without it. You know what i mean man?
Homophope really, i think your way off on that DUDE!
 
so i noticed in my inbox i send you, jam, a PM with the title of 'hey man.' :D my bad, i hope you now realize how we use it (and the like) and thats theres no intended harm by it.

lacey's second post is great. she covered the meaning very well. like she says, using a persons name sometimes makes it seem like scoulding and youre mad to the other person when thats not the intent.

i say 'man' a lot. a whole lot. "whats up man," "later on man" etc. etc. i dont call most of my friends by their names. sometimes, but most of the time i say 'man' or nothing else added like that.

dude, i will say if i am suprised ie. "dude, did you just see that? that was crazy." ill also use it how lacey describes it, as in "you see dude over there noddin at the bar?" ill use it about someone i dont know, but wont say "whats up dude?" except to a few female friends that will say it to me.

i used to know a dealer that called anyone and everyone boss or chief. he wouldnt say man or dude, and would very rarely call you by your name. i would never call anyone boss or chief ever and it got annoying hearing "what up boss/chief" everytime you called him.
 
I also think it is retarded to address someone as dude or bro(online is different for some reason though, it doesn't bother me). It sends up a red flag. I will refer to someone as 'some dude' or something along those lines. If I say something silly or sarcastic amongst friends I like to slip in the usage of the word 'man.'
 
lol.. Im an aussie and I use all 3 consistently... kinda feeling a bit douchey now :P.

I will call people i barely know man.. but it is always males.

dude is more for closer friends, 'hey dude, whats happening?'.

but I think you are right - you only use these phrases with people you are either very close with as its easier/lazier or those who you don't particulary care to get to know.

I think people who are more laid back in general use the terms.. or maybe those who are anxious so people think they are laid back/down to earth and comfortable.

I find buddy pretty condescending and don't use it unless for that reason.
 
In California we get to hear them all, even make them up. You know what I mean dawgpound?


Here's how I use them, fool, and how they are generally used by my crowd/in my area:

Dude - its automatic for me, growing up in the 90's. It comes out when something happens too fast for words, or sometimes as a random greeting. If I draw a blank, its "dude..."

Bro - often used sarcastically to make fun of bros, or at least partially in jest, with emphasis on the word, douchiness, and references to "mobbing dunes" and "macking bitches"

Man - about the same as dude, pretty much interchangeable.

Guy - I'll never use this. Too Canadian for me. "Hey guy!"

Buddy - what I call my close friends. I'm not one to say a person's name if its just me and them (on the phone or in person), so its my go-to word. It's more personal than calling my buddy "dude" or "man." :)



There's my breakdown of some of the common informal North American BS greetings, Jammy. They don't really mean much, or only mean as much as you want them to mean. If you aren't a fan of using them (take them to be the equivalent of "um" but for "hey you"), don't bother, but I wouldn't feel bad or insulted in any way if any of these names were said to me, as they are every day. [That could change with connotation though, like people said about being called "sport" or "tiger".]

Come to California sometime, you'll shit yourself when you hear that every sentence ends with dude/man/etc, even if it's not coming from a stoner's mouth!
 
I use man and dude in conversations. Brotha not bro.
I take the time to type them because that is how I talk in a casual conversation.
My husband calls me dude. It is like the punctuation at the end of a sentence.
 
Brog = bro + dog A dude I don't want to mess with!

Brocohontas = making fun of a man, implying he has feminine traits… or just for fun between buds. TErm of endearment to native americans~

Dudette = a man without a penis and with breasts, usually 2 X cromos

Dudche = someone who makes a thread like this as a passive aggressive dig against a poster who they used to be friends with! Be up front about that sh*t Jamyshed! use the PM feather!
 
the n word falls in this category as well, but everyone here mind fucks themselves so hard about that subject I won't even mention it.
 
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