Heroin Making heroin?

[pharaoh]

sorry man I didnt mean to bust your balls. I dont remember the classifications either nor do I really expect most readers. Yea the veins not lasting is horrible but you are correct. The haha wasn't for the veins burning! that was just 'ours has a higher % heron than yours type thing. But like I said now it is ya'lls turn to laugh at us and the grey death. (at least thats what the D has)

IV caffeine can't be great either? Sidenote. Caffeine has a pretty low ld50

Ohhh quit breakin' my balls huh? Geddafuggaddaheeah! I hadn't even thought of caffeine tbh. There's all kinds of nasty shit in the heroin here anyway, some just leftover stuff from the processing and that's why I always wanted to try China white because I assumed it would be "purer" but obv been cut to shit as wellt t. I ended up using lemon juice towards the end of my time shooting it up and that is terrible for your veins. They can never find one at the doctors now if they need one.

Anyway it seems as if things are going the same way here. Xylazine turning up in most tested samples of heroin I've seen along with the usual adulterants. Nitazenes generally are showing up all over the place. Fentanyl is showing up here and there although not heavily in the heroin supply yet as far as I've seen, seems to be pills mostly and quite rare but weirdly common in coke - I never understood that.

It'll happen though. It is far more cost effective to import and distribute fentanyl than bulky old brown heroin. Dunno about xylazine in terms of smuggling/bulk but they are obviously profiting off of it. Sooner or later the import of actual heroin will likely decrease as it gets cut with fent and/or nitazenes as it moves along the supply chain. There are labs here that make fentanyl and I assume plenty around the Balkans and even all the way to Holland where they have had labs for decades and which is of course a key transit point for our market. Dunno what this will mean for the warlords in Afghanistan plus the corrupt Talibs who still allow the country to profit despite the official policy of banning it and even destroying many fields etc (official figures say that opium production has been almost eradicated according to something I read on the NCA website). Then there are the various traffickers along the way for whom heroin has been their bread and butter. Maybe labs will start turning up in Afghanistan and other places along the way where fentanyl is made which is basically what seems to have happened in Mexico: it was cheaper to run labs to make fentanyl than to process from opium from the farms, leaving the poor farmers high and dry. The same will ehappen to the poppy farmers in Afghanistan if the drug Lords (Taliban or otherwise) decide to start producing fentanyl for export.

It's all fucked man. I'm glad I quit when I did although if I could get my hands on some actual opium to smoke or some pure diamorphine then I wouldn't say no to having a go on it. Heroin will become a rarity eventually I reckon.

Its kinda like how our food is just all processed crap now and you have to go out of your way to buy decent, organic, real food which most people can't actually afford. That's why we're eating chicken nuggets and pig rectums and snorting/smoking/shooting poison.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I am sorry to hear things are going in that direction.

I would totally go to the open air market near the gluten free organic food area if they felt that way about there H lol

someone needs to make 'heroin classic' lol .... I cannot tell you how many users won't touch the russian roulette xylazine nitazene fent (me included) but would pay a pretty good premium to know H is the only active ingredient. Seems like you could get the higher end more sophisticated group willing to pay a premium price to assure a good chance of surviving the night; or at least the certainty that if you overdid it narcan WOULD IN FACT WORK.

Ps. Is it nitazenes (sp) that narcan isnt strong enough to reverse or fet or is it a non opioid cut and thats why the narcan doesnt always work. General curiosity

 

[pharaoh]

I am sorry to hear things are going in that direction.

I would totally go to the open air market near the gluten free organic food area if they felt that way about there H lol

someone needs to make 'heroin classic' lol .... I cannot tell you how many users won't touch the russian roulette xylazine nitazene fent (me included) but would pay a pretty good premium to know H is the only active ingredient. Seems like you could get the higher end more sophisticated group willing to pay a premium price to assure a good chance of surviving the night; or at least the certainty that if you overdid it narcan WOULD IN FACT WORK.

Ps. Is it nitazenes (sp) that narcan isnt strong enough to reverse or fet or is it a non opioid cut and thats why the narcan doesnt always work. General curiosity

I think it's because xylazine isn't an opioid and so narcan/naloxone is useless on it. It should work on nitazenes afaik because they are opioid or partial opioids or whatever you call them but I'm not sure. I got hit with an OD - first in approx ten years of on and off use - and they used two or three shots on me and I wasn't coming around so they had to put a breathing tube in and all that. I thought it was fent because of how I went out (straight to black) but now I'm pretty sure it was xylazine given that the naloxone wasn't working and given that it wasn't like a "normal" opiate OD. I've nearly "gone over" once and you are still aware even though you are losing consciousness. I know that fent can hit you much harder and put you straight out but xylazine just knocks someone clean out if mixed with heroin, benzos, booze and whatever else I was on.

But yeah I think it's just xylazine that can't be helped with naloxone because it isn't an opioid. And I would deffo pay for some organic heroin with the fair trade bullshit label attached to it haha. Thing is it'd be such a small, niche market that it wouldn't be worth it for the cartels. It'd be specialised chemists like the people who make an effort with psychedelics and all that. And the stuff would be so good that people would end up addicted, running out of of money and back in the street shit again haha. Seriously I would pay good money for that kinda stuff once in a while tho. I'd even grow my own poppies and make my own opium if I could.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

So we think xylazine is what is stopping the naloxone from working...That makes sense.

If anyone knows any opis that narcan will NOT reverse, please list them.

I know fent is strong enough you can "break through" bupe no problem but I am not sure about narcan?

Shoot I can't tell you how many times ive had coke dealers tell me, you can pay x extra to get it out of my personal or smaller x for whats broken up in my pocket... Of course the H is hit before it gets here. Niche market, yea probably not big enough for the cartel, just like when they switched from opium to heroin and now real opium is practically a thing of the past.

 

[pharaoh]

Yeah naloxone is definitely useless when it comes to xylazine which is why people are asking about being able to test their fentanyl for xylazine! These are people who have just given up on H or never even tried it. At least here you can still get your hands on some, even though it is likely to have xylazine in it now. But the brown Afghan/Pakistani stuff still comes in, largely due to long-standing trade routes and agreements from Pakistan, through Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey and into Europe. It will take longer to shift that it did in Mexico and I'm pretty sure the "Golden Triangle" traditionally brought most of the heroin into the US and for the Mexican Cartels it was 3rd behind cocaine and meth, maybe even 4th with cannabis, traditionally anyway. It seems that fentanyl swept the market and started to replace heroin in Mexico because the production there was much smaller compared to Afghanistan where it has been mass produced for a very long time, supplying pretty much all of Europe. I know that Mexico has grown opium for over a hundred years at least but I don't think that the cartels jumped into moving it until later and fentanyl moved in very quickly, whereas Afghan heroin production and those trafficking routes have been around for a long time - people rely on them at every step of the way and the majority of wanted, major traffickers in the UK are Pakistani, Indian, Kurdish, Turkish and Turk-Cypriot. None of these people will take kindly to their businesses being fucked up by fentanyl and I am talking about people on this side of the supply chain who are very powerful and wealthy.

 

[Sleepy70x]

H ain't going nowhere, you got bioengineered yeast that could produce it ffs.

 

[Señor Moreno]

Making heroin isn't that easy. Some years ago some folks I know tried it with 150 grams of opium and acetic acid, not acetic anhydrous. They ended up with some grams of very weird mattter, apparently very potent.
If you ask me all they did was wasting precious opium wich would have served them so much better in its original form.
I bet that even if they were able to find AA, it would have been a waste no matter what. Cheap talk about procesing drugs into pure heroin is one thing, sure you will find a lot of online "experts" claiming to know how to do it, but finding them in real life and making dreams come true is a totally different story. Just my 2 cents.

 

[pharaoh]

H ain't going nowhere, you got bioengineered yeast that could produce it ffs.

It's an economic question more than anything. How much actual heroin is even found in the street markets in the USA now, east coast for example?

It can always be around but it doesn't mean that it won't become gradually replaced as a mass-market product on streets full of desperate addicts around the western world at least.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Pharaoh----Thanks for the larger insight on the golden triangle and a theory as to why mexico was able to shift faster.

and Sleepy70x -- Unless users start getting a little more finicky about how heroin is defined..... heroin as in real diacetyl-morphine (sp) will disappear just like Opium.

IMPO as soon as a drug gets cut with an ACTIVE ingredient it ceases to be that drug. That description may be a bit tight for the blackmarket. (which should not exist. i.e. if you have turpentine in your jim beam it is no longer whiskey)

But when that ACTIVE CUT has MORE of an effect than the drug you purchased: That active cut becomes the drug you are taking.

Is this generally something we agree on?

 

[pharaoh]

Pharaoh----Thanks for the larger insight on the golden triangle and a theory as to why mexico was able to shift faster.

and Sleepy70x -- Unless users start getting a little more finicky about how heroin is defined..... heroin as in real diacetyl-morphine (sp) will disappear just like Opium.

IMPO as soon as a drug gets cut with an ACTIVE ingredient it ceases to be that drug. That description may be a bit tight for the blackmarket. (which should not exist. i.e. if you have turpentine in your jim beam it is no longer whiskey)

But when that ACTIVE CUT has MORE of an effect than the drug you purchased: That active cut becomes the drug you are taking.

Is this generally something we agree on?

I'm with you on that for sure. People in parts of the States who used to buy heroin are buying fentanyl with xylaxine cut into it. I don't even know if they ask for heroin any more.

Here if you ask for "b", "kit", "gear" or other regional variant terms for heroin, you are likely to get heroin cut with xylazine now. Once the sources of trafficking start shifting to fentanyl production instead of poppy field cultivation, processing and trafficking, we'll likely be getting something similar. There is a lot of heroin still in the supply chain and stocked as it can be stored for a long time but it's a question of profit. It may even end up being the case that European labs end up supplying fentanyl (or importing from Latin America with the coke that comes in or both even) and cutting out the old "crescent" producers and traffickers, although this will piss off many hardcore, powerful gangsters that have had a grip on these traditional methods for decades now.

Totally agree with your statement on the black market too - governments in the west in particular want it this way for 1) the immense wealth it creates which is circulated into the global financial network and 2) because it acts as a control mechanism for the lower/working classes who have lost their jobs and drink and drugs have always been used to keep people down and fighting amongst each other rather than uniting and fighting back. It is documented history: Iran/Contra, CIA and DOD involvement in the Golden Triangle. Even back to the Opium Wars: the British East India company forced the opium trade on China with the help of British empire military forces.

The UK and the US are the biggest gangsters in the world, as well as a certain middle Eastern country. They are backed by the whole imperialist west and the cartels - whether in Europe or in Latin America - ultimately serve the western ruling classes, directly and indirectly. If the big powers really tried to stop the drug trade, they would smash the economy into pieces. Not just the drugs but all of the people employed by various institutions within the "drug war": legal and illegal, police officer to sicario, lawyers on both sides, private prison profiteers, drug service workers, traffickers, accountants, countless businesses used to launder money, weapons manufacturers (how the fuck do people think that the Mexican Cartels can be armed to the point that they can bring the country to its knees in a country with strict gun laws? The list of profiteers is endless and that's why it will never change unless there is a revolution and drugs become understood in terms of had reduction and issues such as addiction in terms of public health.

But as I say, they don't want it to change and they don't give a fck about any of us. Their moralising is total bullshit. Ronnie and Nancy Reagan saying "just say no" whilst Daddy Bush is in the background with his CIA buddies, arming the contras in return for coke which helped to create the crack epidemic.

They really have pulled a number on us and yet we continue to let them rule us.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

This makes me think of sitting in intro to economics at university and the prof using heroin as an example of something with a fixed price because there were no substitute goods for it.

Aye; it is one of those doomed to repeat history we didn't learn from situations....

in the US you can get thc/a in every state now from what I understand? (legal in my state)......

Some states have rolled it back on shrooms and DMT carts can be had legally.

You can get "ketamine" or "MDMA" assisted therapy in a few places as well..

Not winning the war for sure but certainly progress where none was had for what 100 years ish?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Is there a way to upload a file here?

 

[Sleepy70x]

Damn... you guys are talking like I'm gonna be the next Pablo Escobar...

Was more of a thought experiment, even washing the opium out of it might be worth it.

@smokeymcpot42088

I disagree with your point about purity. Black (3.5) was about all there was around where I grew up, and everyone knows about the 6mam.

 

[Tryptamite]

Making heroin isn't that easy. Some years ago some folks I know tried it with 150 grams of opium and acetic acid, not acetic anhydrous. They ended up with some grams of very weird mattter, apparently very potent.
If you ask me all they did was wasting precious opium wich would have served them so much better in its original fmI bet that even if they were able to find AA, it would have been a waste no matter what. Cheap talk about procesing drugs into pure heroin is one thing, sure you will find a lot of online "experts" claiming thow to do it, but finding them in real life and making dreams come true is a totally different story. Just my 2 cents.

I guarantee you with 150G. Of opium and some 99% glacial aceticl I guarantee you I would have come out with is similar weight of a black tar heroin? Twenty two alkaliids some of them acetylated

Very like Polish kompot or Russian shirking Is although a solid product not a product dissolved in liquid for communal use v shared Needles

 

[carbonhalo]

I had the impression that using glacial acetic acid would preferentially monoacetylate your calcium morphenate to 6MAM.
Must remember to shred my poppy straw tomorrow.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

"Hydroponic Heroin", book. Will expire in 6 days.

https://filebin.net/o45zs5ydaad4nspt

 

[Sleepy70x]

Is it glacial acetic? I though they dried it out to around 70 percent?