Making Butane Hash Oil easier to handle.

[Wizzle]

I wonder if there is a good way to make Hash Oil easier to handle. I myself like to smear it over cigarettes and then smoke it with a roach instead of the filter, but the hash oil is not liquid enough to do this correctly without heating it first and thereby losing some of the THC. Is there any way to make the oil more liquid? I tried with alcohol, wich of course works, but it evaporates, and a pure form of alcohol is hard to find (I used a 56% chinese rice whine 8) ) . Maybe Acetic Acid (or just vinegar) would do the trick?

 

[redeemer]

IPA (iso propyl alcohol) is available in 99.9% concentration and is faily non-toxic (compared to acetone, turpentine etc.). Also you should dissolve the oil in the smallest amount of solvent possible.

I don't think vinegar would work since it is water-based and THC and THC-like substances aren't amines so their water solubility doesn't increase under acidic conditions.

 

[BilZ0r]

Why not just smoke it on foil, or off hot knifes or something.

 

[phase_dancer]

Oil dissolved in ethanol and sprayed onto joints works well. When applied to buds it gives them that "chocolate dipped" appearance.

 

[Wizzle]

Thanks for the replies guys.

I've done the method with ethanol, but I just don't like the fact that it evaporates, and I wondered if there was a method that works better. If not, does anyone know where to get high grade ethanol (97%, no adulterants) in Holland?

Ps. I did the hot knifing before, but I dont really like it. I find it more convenient to put a large amount on a ciggie and get really fucked up

Pps. It's also nice to mix hash oil w/ chocolate milk or fruit yoghurt.

 

[BilZ0r]

But then you have to mix tobacco and cannabis... scariligous in my opinion.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Get a soldering iron & build a vapourizer for the oil (I did!). It means that you're not inhaling smoke but warm air with THC vapour/microscopic aerosol particles (no nasty carcinogens from pyrolysis and it doesn't fuck you sense of smell & taste like smoking does)

 

[redeemer]

If not, does anyone know where to get high grade ethanol (97%, no adulterants) in Holland?

Pure ethanol is hard to come by, that's why I proposed using IPA instead. If you find ethanol and the label says "denatured" (which implies it isn't fit for oral consumption), try putting a small sample on a mirror and see if it evaporates completely or if it leaves a residue. If it does leave residue then you would be smoking this if you chose to use the denatured alcohol as a solvent, which is probably not healthy.

IPA has a boiling point of about 83°C so putting a bit of the dissolved oil on a cigarette and leaving it in a warm place for half an hour should make for a nice joint. You might want to toast the cigarette beforehand to get rid of some of the nicotine, and you should of course replace the cigarette filter with a joint filter.

 

[bingey]

Can i tell wizzle , since it's not a drug and usually used for removing stains?

(sourcing stuff)

And 97 percent p is available although a lot more expensive than denaturated (about 8 euro's for 100 ml)

well il just give a hint --> tendos (and no that's not a store)

 

[phase_dancer]

According to the rep at a company I deal with, denatured alcohol is available and will not cause suspicion if ordered. I inquired about it as a glass cleaner alternative to pure ethanol

It is essentially a methylated spirit (5% methanol +95% ethanol), only without added color or the extremely bitter tasting denatonium benzoate.

 

[bingey]

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I'll take that as a yes


wizzle go to your local pharmacy , they will sell 97% with no additives for about 8 euro's and for 2,50 or something you can get denaturated alcohol

 

[Wizzle]

Thanks for replying everyone. I think I'll just go to the pharmacy and buy 97% with no additives. I don't mind spending al little extra for a safe smoke...

@ BingeBoy and phase dancer
Isn't this kind of denatured alcohol referred to as 'spiritus'?

I got the idea of using vinigar or acidic acid from a friend who talked to his chemistry teacher about it, and he said something about cannabinoids binding because of OH-groups. I dont really know how this works because I'm not too educated in chemistry, but it might help some of you understand how I came up with this idea. (or not). It might not be a good method anyway, I wouldn't like my hash oil to smell like vinigar.

 

[bingey]

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Vinegar will only mess it up , no need for it

gedenatureerde or denaturated alcohol is the same as spiritus , it has like 5% methanol which is pretty toxic (except the latter has a blue pigment and smell added to it whcih makes it not very good for something your going to smoke even after evaporating i guess)


yes just go witth the 97 not every pharmacies stocks it but just call around a bit

 

[Wizzle]

I bought some TENDO'S Denatured alcohol (96%), I wonder if it is harmful to smoke... I bought it anyways since it only costs E 2,25... I couldn't find any 97% that's not denatured (kruidvat), will I be able to find it at another drug store?

I also found Isopropyl alcohol sold as sticker remover, is this, as redeemer says, really not that harmful. I really want to smoke as safe as possible

 

[phase_dancer]

You won't find 97% ethanol at a retail outlet. 97% ethanol is usually prepared using benzene so you dn't want that anyway..

Ethanol forms a constant-boiling mixture, or azeotrope, with water that contains 95% ethanol and 5% water and that boils at 78.15&degC;; since the boiling point of this binary azeotrope is below that of pure ethanol, absolute ethanol cannot be obtained by simple distillation. However, if benzene is added to 95% ethanol, a ternary azeotrope of benzene, ethanol, and water, with boiling point 64.9&degC;, can form; since the proportion of water to ethanol in this azeotrope is greater than that in 95% ethanol, the water can be removed from 95% ethanol by adding benzene and distilling off this azeotrope. Because small amounts of benzene may remain, absolute ethanol prepared by this process is poisonous.

From here

Wizzle said:
I also found Isopropyl alcohol sold as sticker remover, is this, as redeemer says, really not that harmful. I really want to smoke as safe as possible

Try evaporating some ethanol in a glass bowl as previously suggested, and look for any residue left. Isopropanol should be OK but it sometimes takes a little more to fully evaporate. Personally, I'd go with ethanol for this sort of thing.

 

[bingey]

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Check out a few pharmacys for the 97 (we re not in australia or something phase dancer and its not for drinking purposes)

and the denaturated will work just fine , just evap it outside and better too long than too short

ps i had 98 which was made for consumption in italy (like literally said buongusto for the fine-taster)

??? Im confused , alchohol doesn't go over 97? but im pretty dam sure there was no benzen in it was a bit like italian everclear , only wickedly strong

 

[hussness]

I think ethanol might also be able to be dried by distilling through calcium chloride. That would be a little less poisonous.

 

[Wizzle]

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Check out a few pharmacys for the 97 (we re not in australia or something phase dancer and its not for drinking purposes)

and the denaturated will work just fine , just evap it outside and better too long than too short

ps i had 98 which was made for consumption in italy (like literally said buongusto for the fine-taster)

??? Im confused , alchohol doesn't go over 97? but im pretty dam sure there was no benzen in it was a bit like italian everclear , only wickedly strong

Are you talking about actual pharmacies (apotheek) ? Or about Drug Stores (Kruidvat, Trekpleister, etc.)

 

[bingey]

Pharmacy = apotheek drogist = drugstore i think , although i can imagine a well stocked drugstore selling it and some pharmacies not

 

[phase_dancer]

I think ethanol might also be able to be dried by distilling through calcium chloride

Calcium Oxide is used, but as the recovery of CaO from Ca(OH)2 requires high temps, I wonder whether it's considered economical enough to employ industrially. However, there's undoubtedly some 97% ethanol produced via this method, so I retract my previous statements, saying it's not available.