Opioids Major Health Hazard due to irresponsible extraction of fentanyl patches. Need advice

[doflamingo8]

There is a major health hazard currently taking place in states west of the Mississippi River. There is fentanyl going around that tastes like permanent marker and leaves your tongue as if you ate something spicy. This is what happened: There was a recall of thousands of alvogen fentanyl patches that were supposed to be destroyed. Instead of being destroyed, someone decided to try and extract the fentanyl and make it into powder. This person however used the wrong solvent during extraction and pulled out the acrylate copolymer adhesive as well as the fentanyl. Although it is simple to do fentanyl patch extractions, once the acrylate copolymer adhesive is extracted along with the fentanyl, it is extremely difficult to separate it. People are smoking this fentanyl/polymer adhesive mixture and are getting extremely sick. I have tried everything to isolate and extract the polymer adhesives from the active ingredient: ANOR extraction, liquid liquid extractions, and a few others. Nothing has worked. I was going to try a acid-base extraction but I can’t figure out what solvent should be used that can dissolve the polymer adhesive/fentanyl powder yet stay immiscible with the next solvent. If anyone with a chemistry background could recommend an extraction method, or even solvents that would help in this situation, it would be much appreciated. When people are desperate they are using this dangerous mixture and I want to provide users a way to reduce the harm and prevent them from smoking/injecting acrylate copolymer adhesives. Thank you

 

[tryptakid]

There is a major health hazard currently taking place in states west of the Mississippi River. There is fentanyl going around that tastes like permanent marker and leaves your tongue as if you ate something spicy. This is what happened: There was a recall of thousands of alvogen fentanyl patches that were supposed to be destroyed. Instead of being destroyed, someone decided to try and extract the fentanyl and make it into powder. This person however used the wrong solvent during extraction and pulled out the acrylate copolymer adhesive as well as the fentanyl. Although it is simple to do fentanyl patch extractions, once the acrylate copolymer adhesive is extracted along with the fentanyl, it is extremely difficult to separate it. People are smoking this fentanyl/polymer adhesive mixture and are getting extremely sick. I have tried everything to isolate and extract the polymer adhesives from the active ingredient: ANOR extraction, liquid liquid extractions, and a few others. Nothing has worked. I was going to try a acid-base extraction but I can’t figure out what solvent should be used that can dissolve the polymer adhesive/fentanyl powder yet stay immiscible with the next solvent. If anyone with a chemistry background could recommend an extraction method, or even solvents that would help in this situation, it would be much appreciated. When people are desperate they are using this dangerous mixture and I want to provide users a way to reduce the harm and prevent them from smoking/injecting acrylate copolymer adhesives. Thank you

Not good at all. If this is actually happening, I wouldn't be surprised if those involved in the diversion of the expired patches weren't brought to justice. Seems to me that it shouldn't be too difficult to determine who was supposed to destroy this stuff and investigate from there.

Not sure how widely known this is - how have you been hearing about all of this?

Thanks for sharing, this is important information for fentanyl users and treatment providers particularly from the western US, though I wouldn't be shocked if some of the bunk fetty didn't get sold for cheap to unsuspecting East Coast dealers as well since the stuff probably tests positive no problem.

 

[pixies+]

There is a major health hazard currently taking place in states west of the Mississippi River. There is fentanyl going around that tastes like permanent marker and leaves your tongue as if you ate something spicy. This is what happened: There was a recall of thousands of alvogen fentanyl patches that were supposed to be destroyed. Instead of being destroyed, someone decided to try and extract the fentanyl and make it into powder. This person however used the wrong solvent during extraction and pulled out the acrylate copolymer adhesive as well as the fentanyl. Although it is simple to do fentanyl patch extractions, once the acrylate copolymer adhesive is extracted along with the fentanyl, it is extremely difficult to separate it. People are smoking this fentanyl/polymer adhesive mixture and are getting extremely sick. I have tried everything to isolate and extract the polymer adhesives from the active ingredient: ANOR extraction, liquid liquid extractions, and a few others. Nothing has worked. I was going to try an acid-base extraction but I can’t figure out what solvent should be used that can dissolve the polymer adhesive/fentanyl powder yet stay immiscible with the next solvent. If anyone with a chemistry background could recommend an extraction method, or even solvents that would help in this situation, it would be much appreciated. When people are desperate they are using this dangerous mixture and I want to provide users a way to reduce the harm and prevent them from smoking/injecting acrylate copolymer adhesives. Thank you

This is the second post I’ve seen regarding this in a couple days.
Scary stuff
I put nothing past people anymore.

 

[glutitis]

There is a major health hazard currently taking place in states west of the Mississippi River. There is fentanyl going around that tastes like permanent marker and leaves your tongue as if you ate something spicy. This is what happened: There was a recall of thousands of alvogen fentanyl patches that were supposed to be destroyed. Instead of being destroyed, someone decided to try and extract the fentanyl and make it into powder. This person however used the wrong solvent during extraction and pulled out the acrylate copolymer adhesive as well as the fentanyl. Although it is simple to do fentanyl patch extractions, once the acrylate copolymer adhesive is extracted along with the fentanyl, it is extremely difficult to separate it. People are smoking this fentanyl/polymer adhesive mixture and are getting extremely sick. I have tried everything to isolate and extract the polymer adhesives from the active ingredient: ANOR extraction, liquid liquid extractions, and a few others. Nothing has worked. I was going to try a acid-base extraction but I can’t figure out what solvent should be used that can dissolve the polymer adhesive/fentanyl powder yet stay immiscible with the next solvent. If anyone with a chemistry background could recommend an extraction method, or even solvents that would help in this situation, it would be much appreciated. When people are desperate they are using this dangerous mixture and I want to provide users a way to reduce the harm and prevent them from smoking/injecting acrylate copolymer adhesives. Thank you

 

[tryptakid]

How in the world is that even possible. Is that story even confirmed? I feel, if yes, there is a huge fuckup going on. Or it it just a myth and you deal with stupid mexican fentanyl cooks.?
I feel this one might fall to pieces very quick....

Interestingly I came across some one's PhD thesis that was exploring different methods of patch extraction for purported disposal of unused fentanyl

 

[glutitis]

Interestingly I came across some one's PhD thesis that was exploring different methods of patch extraction for purported disposal of unused fentanyl

Which makes no sense, because fent is dirtcheap.
Have you read it? He is not talking about patch extraction, but on disposing them properly.

 

[tryptakid]

Which makes no sense, because fent is dirtcheap.

Well in the paper they are proposing this to ensure safe disposal by isolating and removing fentanyl from the waste product.

On the other hand, it could be collecting the extracted fentanyl and using it for other purposes... Could be completely unrelated, but it came up when I searched for 'alvogen fentanyl patches ' via Google

 

[glutitis]

Well in the paper they are proposing this to ensure safe disposal by isolating and removing fentanyl from the waste product.

On the other hand, it could be collecting the extracted fentanyl and using it for other purposes... Could be completely unrelated, but it came up when I searched for 'alvogen fentanyl patches ' via Google

Got you, thanks for clarification, I will edit that children part

 

[pixies+]

Worldwide…?
Maybe try reading the post again.

 

[glutitis]

Same advice, I am talking number of posts, not the health damage, of fentanyl in that little USA corner.

 

[doflamingo8]

If you read my post, I’m not trying to find out how to do an extraction from fentanyl patches. Anybody with a basic chemistry background can figure this out. However when the wrong solvent is used and the acrylate copolymer adhesive is pulled off the backing, isolating the active ingredient becomes much more difficult to do. Fortunately, I have figured out that a certain alkane hydrocarbon added to two solvents may be key to figuring this out. Idk how this site works but this thread can be closed now. I was stupid to think I would receive any kind of productive advice on chemistry here, even though it is for harm reduction. You can choose not to believe me but you’ll remember this post a few months from now when large numbers of users have side effects from ingesting acrylate polymers. I’m trying whatever I can do to prevent excessive harm in my community. Mods can ban me if they want as this is and will be my only post on bluelight and I won’t be coming back here to post ever again. Thanks

 

[pixies+]

If you read my post, I’m not trying to find out how to do an extraction from fentanyl patches. Anybody with a basic chemistry background can figure this out. However when the wrong solvent is used and the acrylate copolymer adhesive is pulled off the backing, isolating the active ingredient becomes much more difficult to do. Fortunately, I have figured out that a certain alkane hydrocarbon added to two solvents may be key to figuring this out. Idk how this site works but this thread can be closed now. I was stupid to think I would receive any kind of productive advice on chemistry here, even though it is for harm reduction. You can choose not to believe me but you’ll remember this post a few months from now when large numbers of users have side effects from ingesting acrylate polymers. I’m trying whatever I can do to prevent excessive harm in my community. Mods can ban me if they want as this is and will be my only post on bluelight and I won’t be coming back here to post ever again. Thanks

I wish you wouldn’t let one person get to you this way. But I have to say… I understand.
I’ve kinda lost faith in humanity lately myself.

Thank you for trying to put the word out there. I hope more people keep posting about this VERY serious issue, even if you never do again - though I hope you change your mind.

Thank you for looking out for your people. Stay safe.

 

[deficiT]

Same advice, I am talking number of posts, not the health damage, of fentanyl in that little USA corner.

There is no need to come onto a post and question the users sincerity or credibility, promptly running them off of the forum. That is not how we interact with one another here. This is a harm reduction forum, where we educate each other, it's not a debate stage or a place to come to instigate problems with other posters.

I deleted the other posts. But please keep in mind that by posting here you are, in some sense, representing the forum. What we don't do here is immediately accuse people of lying and double down on being inflammatory towards them. If you want to joke around socially and with less limits, you are welcome to post in The Lounge.

 

[glutitis]

Yeah. I stick to my opinion, but I might have overstepped the boundaries, of exceptence. Sorry for that.
I am, like three weeks in of an opiate free live.
My emotions are all over the place.
My heart felt sorry for that, I'll try not to force my feelings into this forum.
So, sorry.
.

 

[Psycho_Logic]

If you read my post, I’m not trying to find out how to do an extraction from fentanyl patches. Anybody with a basic chemistry background can figure this out. However when the wrong solvent is used and the acrylate copolymer adhesive is pulled off the backing, isolating the active ingredient becomes much more difficult to do. Fortunately, I have figured out that a certain alkane hydrocarbon added to two solvents may be key to figuring this out. Idk how this site works but this thread can be closed now. I was stupid to think I would receive any kind of productive advice on chemistry here, even though it is for harm reduction. You can choose not to believe me but you’ll remember this post a few months from now when large numbers of users have side effects from ingesting acrylate polymers. I’m trying whatever I can do to prevent excessive harm in my community. Mods can ban me if they want as this is and will be my only post on bluelight and I won’t be coming back here to post ever again. Thanks

There is a subforum where you will get top notch answers about chemistry and pharmacology. If you stick to BLUA then it's a great place to discuss mentioned topics.

Here at Neuroscience & Pharmacology Discussion you will find lots of knowledgeable people.

Hope you stay @doflamingo8 and wellcome to Bluelight!

 

[TheMightyMail]

There is a major health hazard currently taking place in states west of the Mississippi River. There is fentanyl going around that tastes like permanent marker and leaves your tongue as if you ate something spicy. This is what happened: There was a recall of thousands of alvogen fentanyl patches that were supposed to be destroyed. Instead of being destroyed, someone decided to try and extract the fentanyl and make it into powder. This person however used the wrong solvent during extraction and pulled out the acrylate copolymer adhesive as well as the fentanyl. Although it is simple to do fentanyl patch extractions, once the acrylate copolymer adhesive is extracted along with the fentanyl, it is extremely difficult to separate it. People are smoking this fentanyl/polymer adhesive mixture and are getting extremely sick. I have tried everything to isolate and extract the polymer adhesives from the active ingredient: ANOR extraction, liquid liquid extractions, and a few others. Nothing has worked. I was going to try a acid-base extraction but I can’t figure out what solvent should be used that can dissolve the polymer adhesive/fentanyl powder yet stay immiscible with the next solvent. If anyone with a chemistry background could recommend an extraction method, or even solvents that would help in this situation, it would be much appreciated. When people are desperate they are using this dangerous mixture and I want to provide users a way to reduce the harm and prevent them from smoking/injecting acrylate copolymer adhesives. Thank you

I am... Skeptical. The alvogen recall was in 2019 and was limited to two lots. 12mcg/h were actually 50mcg/h mislabeled. At 3.5 mg per patch, ten thousand of them would have 35 grams of fentanyl in them. Last year, the DEA seized 13,000,000 grams of fentanyl and over 90,000,000 pills. Ten to one hundred times as much wasn't seized. So yeah, some details aren't exactly adding up in my mind. 35 grams is not a crisis. Multiple states won't be affected. I doubt anyone will even notice. Maybe I'm underestimating the amount since you said thousands of patches. How many thousands? Like thousands of thousands? That would be called millions. Even that wouldn't even be that big of a deal imo. How did they even divert a significant portion of the recalled patches..? And who would be that dumb when it only costs about $900 in precursor chemicals to synthesize about an ounce of pure fentanyl? None of this makes sense.

 

[doflamingo8]

I am... Skeptical. The alvogen recall was in 2019 and was limited to two lots. 12mcg/h were actually 50mcg/h mislabeled. At 3.5 mg per patch, ten thousand of them would have 35 grams of fentanyl in them. Last year, the DEA seized 13,000,000 grams of fentanyl and over 90,000,000 pills. Ten to one hundred times as much wasn't seized. So yeah, some details aren't exactly adding up in my mind. 35 grams is not a crisis. Multiple states won't be affected. I doubt anyone will even notice. Maybe I'm underestimating the amount since you said thousands of patches. How many thousands? Like thousands of thousands? That would be called millions. Even that wouldn't even be that big of a deal imo. How did they even divert a significant portion of the recalled patches..? And who would be that dumb when it only costs about $900 in precursor chemicals to synthesize about an ounce of pure fentanyl? None of this makes sense

I’m sorry. I hope I don’t offend you, but you missed the whole point of my post. If you re-read what I wrote, the fentanyl is NOT the problem I am worried about in this situation. It is the ingestion/inhalation of the acrylate copolymer adhesives (in simpler terms: the actual glue(s) from the patch), inadvertently mixed in with the fentanyl, that is causing severe health problems. This glue (which is originally intended to be placed on the epidermis layer of the skin) is extremely harmful when ingested, and can cause a slew of severe, life long health complications.

I now realize that I may have posted this in the wrong place. I was trying to reach a demographic with a background in chemistry. My apologies.

 

[TheMightyMail]

I’m sorry. I hope I don’t offend you, but you missed the whole point of my post. If you re-read what I wrote, the fentanyl is NOT the problem I am worried about in this situation. It is the ingestion/inhalation of the acrylate copolymer adhesives (in simpler terms: the actual glue(s) from the patch), inadvertently mixed in with the fentanyl, that is causing severe health problems. This glue (which is originally intended to be placed on the epidermis layer of the skin) is extremely harmful when ingested, and can cause a slew of severe, life long health complications.

I now realize that I may have posted this in the wrong place. I was trying to reach a demographic with a background in chemistry. My apologies.

I understand the specific problems you are alluding to and the damage done by these acrylate copolymer adhesives is something to be taken seriously. I apologize if that was not clear. My main contention was the overall scale of the actual problem and number of people that will be affected, not the severity of effects to those affected. I believe you may be overestimating the scale, and I seem to have underestimated it a bit as well. However, the seriousness of the consequences makes any number of people affected unacceptable. In any event, apologies for my rudeness. There are many unknowns in this situation and all I have to go off of is limited anecdotal accounts of the situation. Based on that it seemed inconsistent with your estimation of the situation at first glance. Whether or not that is actually the case I couldn't say without more data.

 

[doflamingo8]

Guess what? I have finally been vindicated. All the news outlets are talking about this now. It is called BTMPS and it is being found in the fentanyl. They are calling it a mystery but Alvogen patches contain BTMPS in the adhesive. At least I feel vindicated that I let as many people know the truth of what happened many months ago. Good luck everyone.