Stimulants Maintaining meth abstinence success

[Methamphetanonymous]

I just wanted to state that I had remarkable success easing not only the withdrawal symptoms brought on by ceasing daily recreational methamphetamine intake utilizing dextromethorphan

Amphetamine withdrawal isn't severe and is more of a rebound in symptoms but I'm pleased with my results nonetheless particularly with how DXM has erased my cravings for amphetamine

I chose to experiment with DXM 24-48 hours after ceasing meth intake due to its potent NMDA antagonist profile and the promising results demonstrated in the following academic studies:

Co-administration of dextromethorphan with methamphetamine attenuates methamphetamine-induced rewarding and behavioral sensitization - PubMed

Methamphetamine (MA) is well known as a potent CNS stimulant, which produces strong rewarding and behavioral sensitization after repeated administration. In the present study, we investigated whether co-administration of dextromethorphan (DM) with MA could suppress these effects induced by acute...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091305700003178

Magnesium vitamins and dissociative psychadelics like ketamine and DXM have drawn curiosity from scientists for their theoredical benefit at easing the impact of dopamine downregulation and stimulant withdrawal


I can share a more detailed write up on my post-meth DXM dosage intake if anyone is interested

 

[Shinji Ikari]

That's cool, but you do want to be careful that you're not just exchanging a meth habit for a disso habit. Using drugs to get off of other drugs can be slippery. How long do you plan to continue using the DXM?

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

That's cool, but you do want to be careful that you're not just exchanging a meth habit for a disso habit. Using drugs to get off of other drugs can be slippery. How long do you plan to continue using the DXM?

I've already stopped

My initial dose was high enough to reach the second plateau, but the 13 days following that dose were each 30mg once daily and were quite mild

 

[SuperPsych]

Never heard of DXM helping but it is interesting. I am all for Dissociatives as medicine, but I'd be weary of recreational doses of other dissociatives. The reason I say that is because I have relapsed on stimulants after long periods of abstinence while on PCP analogues as well as FXE, DMXE, etc. Something about those manic headspaces that convince me that my life would be better with a daily stimulant and that I'll be able to handle it better this time. So there have been times that I've ordered stimulants while on a dissociative and once it arrives I still lack the control. I still use dissociatives recreationally but I've gotten a little better at waiting until I've sobered up before ordering, but the thought still crosses my mind a lot when I'm on dissociatives.

Other than that there have been some studies suggesting that Mirtazapine can help with meth cravings. I was prescribed it for that purpose and it helped a little bit. I found that Bupropion helped more in terms of reducing stimulant cravings, probably due to the fact that it's a stimulant itself albeit a non-recreational one

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

Never heard of DXM helping but it is interesting. I am all for Dissociatives as medicine, but I'd be weary of recreational doses of other dissociatives. The reason I say that is because I have relapsed on stimulants after long periods of abstinence while on PCP analogues as well as FXE, DMXE, etc. Something about those manic headspaces that convince me that my life would be better with a daily stimulant and that I'll be able to handle it better this time. So there have been times that I've ordered stimulants while on a dissociative and once it arrives I still lack the control. I still use dissociatives recreationally but I've gotten a little better at waiting until I've sobered up before ordering, but the thought still crosses my mind a lot when I'm on dissociatives.

Other than that there have been some studies suggesting that Mirtazapine can help with meth cravings. I was prescribed it for that purpose and it helped a little bit. I found that Bupropion helped more in terms of reducing stimulant cravings, probably due to the fact that it's a stimulant itself albeit a non-recreational one

Yeah i can definitely see that being an issue, and stuff like nitrous oxide and ketamine seem to really get their claws in a certain type of person

I don't know that I felt manic, but for lack of a better description the second plateau dose of DXM I took (my first real disso experience) felt like I was in a David Fincher movie or like; the new Dune films lol. But they seem to have a wide range of subjective effects

I admit I see the appeal of the stuff recreationally now; using the pure freebase product online really was quite an experience. A very analogue experience to tryptamines digital HDR so to speak

 

[Cult315]

I’m sure this could help some people get off meth but I could also see it going up in flames fast for a lot of people lol. A large number of stimulant addicts have no impulse control and I could definitely see them trading meth for DXM and robotripping themselves retarded.

While I admittedly have shit impulse control I always did handle my stimulants(and being able to quit them) very well, simply because I just really don’t like them. I’ve been in and out of opiate withdrawal for the better part of 20 years, and stimulant for almost the same amount of time - maybe 15. I’ve never once had an issue quitting any stimulants, including meth, it just makes it unbelievably hard to function. I have severe ADD and physically can’t stay on a task without stimulant help or constant redirection to what I was doing/supposed to be doing. It’s gotten me in serious shit at several jobs when I decide to quit whatever stim I’m using or go into a new job stim-free. It’s not from lack of trying, I’m honestly a damn good employee I just really, really struggle with staying on a task until completion. Honestly meth was somewhat more harmful than helpful at first, I started off regulating my (oral) doses well then switched to smoking and fucked everything up lol. I couldn’t smoke at work so I’d sniff while there, and not carrying a scale and just guessing an amount of powder either led to too little or (more so than not) too damn much I’d be overstimulated and all over the place. But once I figured out eyeballing line sizes I became employee of the month, year, decade.

Not sure why I’m writing all this and going a bit off topic. Got some good shit for once today and guess I feel like typing lol. But anyway I know there’s tons of people that struggle with meth addiction and aren’t really able to get off - but I feel like there’s a lot like me who can easily quit but need it to function. Or at least feel like we do. I only recently started doing it and while I won’t say it’s been nothing but good - it’s meth, we all know what it does - it has been very beneficial to my life overall. A steady adderall or zenzedi script would likely help much more but I gave up trying doctors as apparently I’m just an addict and don’t need medication for my legitimate, documented ADD. Not really sure how a pediatrician would prescribe them for years and then a PCP would deny and every other I’ve tried after did the same.

Sorry for the rant lol

 

[MedicinalUser247]

I don't know how anybody could trade Meth for DXM, DXM feels like crap. Drink Coffee instead.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

I’m sure this could help some people get off meth but I could also see it going up in flames fast for a lot of people lol. A large number of stimulant addicts have no impulse control and I could definitely see them trading meth for DXM and robotripping themselves retarded.

While I admittedly have shit impulse control I always did handle my stimulants(and being able to quit them) very well, simply because I just really don’t like them. I’ve been in and out of opiate withdrawal for the better part of 20 years, and stimulant for almost the same amount of time - maybe 15. I’ve never once had an issue quitting any stimulants, including meth, it just makes it unbelievably hard to function. I have severe ADD and physically can’t stay on a task without stimulant help or constant redirection to what I was doing/supposed to be doing. It’s gotten me in serious shit at several jobs when I decide to quit whatever stim I’m using or go into a new job stim-free. It’s not from lack of trying, I’m honestly a damn good employee I just really, really struggle with staying on a task until completion. Honestly meth was somewhat more harmful than helpful at first, I started off regulating my (oral) doses well then switched to smoking and fucked everything up lol. I couldn’t smoke at work so I’d sniff while there, and not carrying a scale and just guessing an amount of powder either led to too little or (more so than not) too damn much I’d be overstimulated and all over the place. But once I figured out eyeballing line sizes I became employee of the month, year, decade.

Not sure why I’m writing all this and going a bit off topic. Got some good shit for once today and guess I feel like typing lol. But anyway I know there’s tons of people that struggle with meth addiction and aren’t really able to get off - but I feel like there’s a lot like me who can easily quit but need it to function. Or at least feel like we do. I only recently started doing it and while I won’t say it’s been nothing but good - it’s meth, we all know what it does - it has been very beneficial to my life overall. A steady adderall or zenzedi script would likely help much more but I gave up trying doctors as apparently I’m just an addict and don’t need medication for my legitimate, documented ADD. Not really sure how a pediatrician would prescribe them for years and then a PCP would deny and every other I’ve tried after did the same.

Sorry for the rant lol

No this is a great cautionary word, I don't necessarily share this as a recommendation but as an interesting bit of information to discuss and your words are incredibly valid to that discussion

Meth is fucked with the cravings; I also don't necessarily care for stimulants but meth got its teeth in either way. Id tell my wife the high from for me meth is simply not craving meth anymore

The last attempt to quit i dreamt of it every night. Synthesizing it, using it, seeking it. Every single night for a month; that's never happened to me with any other substance

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

I don't know how anybody could trade Meth for DXM, DXM feels like crap. Drink Coffee instead.

I didn't trade it, just used it in very low dosages for several days for it's purported effects at reversing dopamine downregulation

I actually enjoyed the second plateau dose I initially took more than most other drugs I've taken

 

[Cult315]

No this is a great cautionary word, I don't necessarily share this as a recommendation but as an interesting bit of information to discuss and your words are incredibly valid to that discussion

Meth is fucked with the cravings; I also don't necessarily care for stimulants but meth got its teeth in either way. Id tell my wife the high from for me meth is simply not craving meth anymore

The last attempt to quit i dreamt of it every night. Synthesizing it, using it, seeking it. Every single night for a month; that's never happened to me with any other substance

It definitely gets its hold on you no matter how much you don’t care for, or even hate the high. The only two times I genuinely enjoyed it, and I guess could really even say I got a proper high from it, was the very first time I did it(oral, and then sniffed later which turned out to be way too much) and then the first time I smoked it.

My very first time the comedown and crash was enough to put me off ever using it frequently, or so I’d thought lol. I didn’t for quite a while though. But the first time I did it I weighed out a .03 shard and swallowed it, then I got drunk and crushed some for a line that was likely far more than my starting dose and I was up for 3 days(3 more days I should say, I did the initial dose at like 11pm) with very minimal other use in those days. I think I did maybe another line or 2, made sure they were very small lol. I felt fucking great pretty much the entire time until the comedown, spent the entire weekend playing cod and went to work Monday still flying. Monday night I felt fuckin horrible but told myself I wasn’t going to do anymore, fought it out and eventually crashed sometime early Tuesday morning. Woke up late as fuck for work and ended up doing more just to survive the day and didn’t touch it for a while after that, only did it on weekends when I did do it and made sure I didn’t do enough that I’d be up for 3-4 days lol. The initial comedown sucked ass, I made it through most of my shift alright but the last 2 hours or so I felt like I went for a 7 mile sprint with a nice little 40 laps around a pool to finish it off. I was completely exhausted and my body, and mind, just felt completely drained. Other than opiates and their physical dependence I never craved a drug so bad as I did that Wednesday. I knew enough not to do it but it was rough.

It wasn’t until I started smoking that I lost full control of my use. I honestly could quit now, I have a few times for varying amounts of time. It’s just really not in my best interest to especially since I’m clean off subs and alcohol and everything else now.

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

It definitely gets its hold on you no matter how much you don’t care for, or even hate the high. The only two times I genuinely enjoyed it, and I guess could really even say I got a proper high from it, was the very first time I did it(oral, and then sniffed later which turned out to be way too much) and then the first time I smoked it.

My very first time the comedown and crash was enough to put me off ever using it frequently, or so I’d thought lol. I didn’t for quite a while though. But the first time I did it I weighed out a .03 shard and swallowed it, then I got drunk and crushed some for a line that was likely far more than my starting dose and I was up for 3 days(3 more days I should say, I did the initial dose at like 11pm) with very minimal other use in those days. I think I did maybe another line or 2, made sure they were very small lol. I felt fucking great pretty much the entire time until the comedown, spent the entire weekend playing cod and went to work Monday still flying. Monday night I felt fuckin horrible but told myself I wasn’t going to do anymore, fought it out and eventually crashed sometime early Tuesday morning. Woke up late as fuck for work and ended up doing more just to survive the day and didn’t touch it for a while after that, only did it on weekends when I did do it and made sure I didn’t do enough that I’d be up for 3-4 days lol. The initial comedown sucked ass, I made it through most of my shift alright but the last 2 hours or so I felt like I went for a 7 mile sprint with a nice little 40 laps around a pool to finish it off. I was completely exhausted and my body, and mind, just felt completely drained. Other than opiates and their physical dependence I never craved a drug so bad as I did that Wednesday. I knew enough not to do it but it was rough.

It wasn’t until I started smoking that I lost full control of my use. I honestly could quit now, I have a few times for varying amounts of time. It’s just really not in my best interest too especially since I’m clean off subs and alcohol and everything else now.

The shit had me crawling around on the floor looking for crumbs weeks after I'd stopped using it seemingly at random

It's seriously insane

 

[Cult315]

The shit had me crawling around on the floor looking for crumbs weeks after I'd stopped using it seemingly at random

It's seriously insane

We recently got a cat and up until then I’d actually had great success finding pieces all over my floor when I’d run out and wasn’t able to get more right away lol. My girl picks on me for using little spoons and ear wax scoop things and small pieces of paper or whatever I have at the moment to move the meth from the bag/container into the pipe, but I hardly ever drop shit. She just gets it stuck on her finger and smears it into the hole and I swear if it’s not a single little shard(that still sometimes gets lost) she loses at minimum 10% if not 25% every single time. Unless it’s late and I’m laying in bed with her I pack mine at my desk every time and I’ve hardly ever found anything there. I check in/around the bed and I can(past tense- could now) find a few good bowls worth every single time lol.

I still manage to find some in the bed but I’m a neat freak and change the sheets whenever I deem them dirty, which doesn’t take long cause we have sex every day usually multiple times a day. But everywhere else is pretty much a no go cause this cat somehow gets litter fucking everywhere. I honestly want to get rid of the damn thing, it has to stay in our bedroom 90% of the time because it’s constantly getting fucked up by the dog and it’s not the dogs fault - fuckin cat starts it every time. So the litter box has to be in our bedroom which means I constantly have to sweep to avoid stepping on litter all over the god damn floor. But anyway cat litter looks an awful lot like meth when you’re desperate, and I’m also blind as fuck. Loaded a little piece into my bowl a few times and swore off ever picking something off the floor again while there’s a litter box in the room.

But about your previous post, I’ve never had a dream about meth after stopping but to this day I still have dreams that I find or just randomly obtain a large amount of opiates. Like at least once every 1-2 months I’d say and I’ve been “clean” other than a few random times in the last few years. Except subs, obviously, but I doubt they’d influence my random “found 300 oxy 80s in my pants” dreams lol. I think namely oxy was the first thing I truly ‘fell in love’ with and it’ll always have more of a grip on me than any girl ever would. Don’t tell my fiancé I said that. Took me forever to get off subs but I’ve been otherwise “clean” from opiates for quite a while now. Though if I had easy access to an abundance of oxy, or really any narcotic pain med for that matter, the temptation would probably(definitely) cause me to give in.

Congrats on kicking the ice though, next time I decide to I might actually try this as it does sound better than just stopping abruptly. I abused DXM a little too heavy when I was younger so I’ve stayed away from it, but as a (semi) more responsible adult I think I can keep it under wraps now lol. I have a few bottles of 30 count 30mg liquid gels hanging out in my bathroom that I’ve stocked up in case of opiate potentiation but never had any opiates to potentiate. I’ve thought a few times about eating a handful but end up dipping into my shroom stash instead when that thought comes up lol

 

[Methamphetanonymous]

We recently got a cat and up until then I’d actually had great success finding pieces all over my floor when I’d run out and wasn’t able to get more right away lol. My girl picks on me for using little spoons and ear wax scoop things and small pieces of paper or whatever I have at the moment to move the meth from the bag/container into the pipe, but I hardly ever drop shit. She just gets it stuck on her finger and smears it into the hole and I swear if it’s not a single little shard(that still sometimes gets lost) she loses at minimum 10% if not 25% every single time. Unless it’s late and I’m laying in bed with her I pack mine at my desk every time and I’ve hardly ever found anything there. I check in/around the bed and I can(past tense- could now) find a few good bowls worth every single time lol.

I still manage to find some in the bed but I’m a neat freak and change the sheets whenever I deem them dirty, which doesn’t take long cause we have sex every day usually multiple times a day. But everywhere else is pretty much a no go cause this cat somehow gets litter fucking everywhere. I honestly want to get rid of the damn thing, it has to stay in our bedroom 90% of the time because it’s constantly getting fucked up by the dog and it’s not the dogs fault - fuckin cat starts it every time. So the litter box has to be in our bedroom which means I constantly have to sweep to avoid stepping on litter all over the god damn floor. But anyway cat litter looks an awful lot like meth when you’re desperate, and I’m also blind as fuck. Loaded a little piece into my bowl a few times and swore off ever picking something off the floor again while there’s a litter box in the room.

But about your previous post, I’ve never had a dream about meth after stopping but to this day I still have dreams that I find or just randomly obtain a large amount of opiates. Like at least once every 1-2 months I’d say and I’ve been “clean” other than a few random times in the last few years. Except subs, obviously, but I doubt they’d influence my random “found 300 oxy 80s in my pants” dreams lol. I think namely oxy was the first thing I truly ‘fell in love’ with and it’ll always have more of a grip on me than any girl ever would. Don’t tell my fiancé I said that. Took me forever to get off subs but I’ve been otherwise “clean” from opiates for quite a while now. Though if I had easy access to an abundance of oxy, or really any narcotic pain med for that matter, the temptation would probably(definitely) cause me to give in.

Congrats on kicking the ice though, next time I decide to I might actually try this as it does sound better than just stopping abruptly. I abused DXM a little too heavy when I was younger so I’ve stayed away from it, but as a (semi) more responsible adult I think I can keep it under wraps now lol. I have a few bottles of 30 count 30mg liquid gels hanging out in my bathroom that I’ve stocked up in case of opiate potentiation but never had any opiates to potentiate. I’ve thought a few times about eating a handful but end up dipping into my shroom stash instead when that thought comes up lol

Dawg the cat litter thing is too real. I've done the same so many times

 

[Lendy]

bro, I understand your delight I also take meth with an nmda antagonist, but in my case it's memantine At first it certainly dulled the effect, but as soon as the nicotine receptors began to activate in response to the antagonism I felt incredible potentiation. This revealed a completely different side of meth to me.

 

[theangryflower]

The shit had me crawling around on the floor looking for crumbs weeks after I'd stopped using it seemingly at random

It's seriously insane

I swear man, it's insane. It doesn't help I just found out my husband tried to get his buddy and his gf to swing with us without consulting me. I feel so weird about it and towards him----because why would he feel comfortable enough to even ask that? That and someone said something about him sexually harassing a woman at work. It all starts crumbling down when I try to get clean. Then, I excuse it and say well---I deserve it. But honestly, I am excusing bad behavior.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I swear man, it's insane. It doesn't help I just found out my husband tried to get his buddy and his gf to swing with us without consulting me. I feel so weird about it and towards him----because why would he feel comfortable enough to even ask that? That and someone said something about him sexually harassing a woman at work. It all starts crumbling down when I try to get clean. Then, I excuse it and say well---I deserve it. But honestly, I am excusing bad behavior.

If you're uncomfortable I think that's important to consider, don't just brush off that feeling. You don't "deserve" anything besides to be treated with respect and dignity by the person who is supposed to be your life partner. I hope you both are able to talk and figure things out, I think there's always a good path forward where everyone can learn and grow

 

[theangryflower]

I definitely haven’t brushed it off. It came to light as soon as we started getting sober. But there were things happening before we got messed up again- and I knew they might blow up. Not like this. Never like this. Sad thing is it’s blown off and blamed on drugs but it’s not the drugs. Drugs don’t make people do things- they just remove barriers. And we will find a way through, or I will. My mind isn’t in any position to make big decisions. But I’ve learned a lot in this most recent span of benders.

If you're uncomfortable I think that's important to consider, don't just brush off that feeling. You don't "deserve" anything besides to be treated with respect and dignity by the person who is supposed to be your life partner. I hope you both are able to talk and figure things out, I think there's always a good path forward where everyone can learn and grow

 

[notgladpone]

the after effects of meth, not the come down, but what i feel like it does to me, messing with signals and such long afterwards, in of itself makes me just want to stop altogether, but its also the only stimulant now that i can safely take without amplifying my anxiety, and it works like a nice little backup for when life is happening but my ADHD and anxiety have an ultimate smackdown planned where i cant even handle a strong coffee sometimes.
I have a lot of DXM cough syrup laying around just because i frequently have legitimate medical need for it, so thanks for the suggestion here, might be a great little tool to keep one off doses, just that, as needed, and also stop me throwing out perfectly good cough syrup once some ambiguous amount of time has passed where its probably no good anymore but you cant really tell and it gives you the runs either way.

 

[Plaid&PolkaDots]

I use the supplement NAC to help with the crash and withdrawal. It helps a lot.