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Bupe Mainlining Suboxone while on maintenance

Pill__Head

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Okay so the title essentially says it. If your on Sub maintenance , lets say 8mg/D, If you were to shoot up a dose in place of your normal dosing routine which is sublingual, would you feel any positive effect like a rush, sedation, some opiate feel?

For the sake of HR I intend on using .2um wheel filters, like I do for anything I inject...Thanks guys.
 
Yes you can, BUT DO NOT SHOOT A WHOLE 8MG STRIP! I did this one time when I first got on maintaince to try to get some kind of something and think it killed that vein, as that was always my go to vein when using and after that, NEVER can register there when I go on a vacation from them or something. You will not get a rush, but it will kick in quicker. If you are taking 8mg a day then I think the eqivelient to that is 2mg. It is REALLY strong when IVed, but just don't expect a rush... People who shoot there subs usually do so in the microgram doses or 1-2mg. Be very careful not to miss,espcially if you get the pills instead of the strips, seems like the pills would be worse if you missed IMO...

Edit: if you want a kinda opiate feel you might wanna skip a day or two of the bupe, as you will just feel the same as if you took 8mg under the tougne..just dont expect a rush, just for it to kick in in about 10-20 mins and maybe a little glow...maybe kinda like when people shoot methadone I guese. And it does shorten the half life when done this way.
 
IV buprenorphine is exponentially more potent than sublingual, and the half-life is also exponentially shorter.
( The half-life of IV buprenorphine is 1.5-7h, mean 3-4h, vs 12-48, mean 24-30 for sublingual.)

Peak plasma from IV buprenorphine is 10-20x higher than sublingual, so appropriately IV is several times more potent.(And that is using an oral solution, with tablets/strips, it could be even higher).

I'd start with 1mg, 2mg is the absolute max you should inject.

And remember that even with IV use, it takes 15-30 minutes to reach full effect.

I have discussed this extensively, look through my old posts, or better yet, UTSFE, you'll find what you're looking for.

(PS: This isn't really a great idea, unless you plan on changing your entire regimen, to lower your tolerance and make bupe more enjoyable, for example. Because of the dramatically reduced half-life, it will take 2-3 injections per day to maintain, it really isn't much of an advantage if you have a script for suboxone, though of course you will still use a lot less, and if you can keep your tolerance down, it is more euphoric(well, so many say, myself included)
 
I don't see the point, it's not going to get you high, you're damaging your veins for nothing.
 
I used to do this all the time ( the needle fixation is hard to break ) and it would seem stronger than subL but it wore off quicker. It still kept w/ds at bay, and i felt the sub pretty instantly... but no rush or anything. IMO not worth it.
 
Yea it's really not with it. Why IV 1mg 3-4x a day when you can just put 4mg under your tongue 2x a day?
 
Maybe it's just me, but I found when I would go through an IV Phase with Subs for a week or 2 if I did 1-2mg at Once then I would only have to dose ONCE a day, its when you get down to the microgram dosage that I found you have to redose a few times a day..just be careful not to miss, I don't know if it's just me but this shit STINGS so bad(my technique and judgement was off because of a mixture of klonopin and xanax 20mg together,such a waste!!!) always go very very slow.

Edit: Also talk to Captain Heroin about this.. He was on Subs I think for years and Iv'ed them the whole time.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I found when I would go through an IV Phase with Subs for a week or 2 if I did 1-2mg at Once then I would only have to dose ONCE a day, its when you get down to the microgram dosage that I found you have to redose a few times a day..just be careful not to miss, I don't know if it's just me but this shit STINGS so bad(my technique and judgement was off because of a mixture of klonopin and xanax 20mg together,such a waste!!!) always go very very slow.

Edit: Also talk to Captain Heroin about this.. He was on Subs I think for years and Iv'ed them the whole time.

That is because duration is dose dependent, and 1-2mg IV is actually a very large dose. So it is not surprising that it would hold all day. But do it everyday, and your tolerance will eventually increase, and you'll need BID dosing.

And @Tommyboy: Nobody should be injecting 1-2mg 3-4 times a day, that is crazy! 1mg IV is like 8mg sublingual, that is a huge dose. As screaming Skull said, people generally dose 3-4x a day with microgram doses. I usually dose BID, but sometimes TID, dosing in micrograms(it varies, but generally 300-600mcg, sometimes 100-200 as a "rescue/booster", and never more than 1mg, it is pointless to me.
 
I thought 1mg IV was like 4mg and 2mg was like 8mg Sublingual? I'm trying to lower my tolerance I have been trying to do the microgram dosages this way(well 1mg at most). But I'm trying to lower my dose so I will have plenty extra if I get cut off for benzo's, been taking them more lately, a couple days in attempt to try to get fucked up(eh, don't bother really its a waste.) But taking a Medical dose of Klonopin/Xanax/Valium really helps evens out the Sub..It gets rid of my cravings even more(with JUST Subs I'm always thinking about using) but with 1-2mg of klonopin/Xanax or 10-20mg of Valium I don't even think about going out and fixing up..Never brought up getting benzo's with my doc, but am thinking about canceling my appointment for another month cuz of the val's(appointments in a couple weeks, that will definateley still be in there,damn half lives!) and bringing it up with her, or keeping my appointment and just be open about it but don't want a buncha benzo's poppin' up on the drug test and me asking for them..Damn, got way off topic, sorry about that. And how do you take your Subs Lorne? Sublingual,nasal, IV, plugging? I never can stick to a certain method and switch up a lot....
 
What about the whole Antihistamine added in w/ with Bupe, I would have acess only to Diphen. I have read so good reviews, makes it tempting.
 
That is because duration is dose dependent, and 1-2mg IV is actually a very large dose. So it is not surprising that it would hold all day. But do it everyday, and your tolerance will eventually increase, and you'll need BID dosing.

And @Tommyboy: Nobody should be injecting 1-2mg 3-4 times a day, that is crazy! 1mg IV is like 8mg sublingual, that is a huge dose. As screaming Skull said, people generally dose 3-4x a day with microgram doses. I usually dose BID, but sometimes TID, dosing in micrograms(it varies, but generally 300-600mcg, sometimes 100-200 as a "rescue/booster", and never more than 1mg, it is pointless to me.

The sublingual BA isn't that low where IV is 8x stronger. Most sources have it being a little more than 2x as strong, so my point was more that the IV duration is so much shorter that he would have to dose that much more often to hold him all day at a dose equivalent to 8mg.

The newest formulations have a 55% sublingual BA and the old ones around 35-40 I think so I really don't think it's 8x as potent when IVd. Also I said 1mg max not 2mg, I know that's a huge difference and I wouldn't even do 1mg in a shot but was using it as more of an example of how much more often you would need to dose. It's just so much shorter acting when IVd that some people find that they have to do more than the equivalent compared to sublingually due to how fast it wears off. Simply put, if 8mg sublingually holds him all day that doesn't mean the equivalent IVd would, although at doses that high it should.

Having said all of that I would never do more than 3 0.5mg shots in a day if that's the route you are going. It seems that people that microcode do it even more often so I think it's better to do a bit more per dose but less often so you aren't poking at yourself that much. I've never felt anything from taking more than 6mg sublingually in a day so even if it's 4x stronger when IVd then that should be like 1.5mg IVd which would make sense with 3 0.5mg shots in a day. So like I was saying b4, IV has no added benefit for maintenance and you end up dosing at least twice as often for no real reason.
 
The sublingual BA isn't that low where IV is 8x stronger. Most sources have it being a little more than 2x as strong, so my point was more that the IV duration is so much shorter that he would have to dose that much more often to hold him all day at a dose equivalent to 8mg.

The newest formulations have a 55% sublingual BA and the old ones around 35-40 I think so I really don't think it's 8x as potent when IVd. Also I said 1mg max not 2mg, I know that's a huge difference and I wouldn't even do 1mg in a shot but was using it as more of an example of how much more often you would need to dose. It's just so much shorter acting when IVd that some people find that they have to do more than the equivalent compared to sublingually due to how fast it wears off. Simply put, if 8mg sublingually holds him all day that doesn't mean the equivalent IVd would, although at doses that high it should.

Having said all of that I would never do more than 3 0.5mg shots in a day if that's the route you are going. It seems that people that microcode do it even more often so I think it's better to do a bit more per dose but less often so you aren't poking at yourself that much. I've never felt anything from taking more than 6mg sublingually in a day so even if it's 4x stronger when IVd then that should be like 1.5mg IVd which would make sense with 3 0.5mg shots in a day. So like I was saying b4, IV has no added benefit for maintenance and you end up dosing at least twice as often for no real reason.

Those sources are wrong. They are based off of the bioavailability of a liquid formulation( or the new Zubsolv) being close to 50%.

The problem is that the half-life is EXPONENTIALLY shorter. So even if the BA we're 100%, IV would still be exponentially more potent.

As I stated in my first post, peak plasma from IV buprenorphine is 10-20x higher than sublingual(mean 15).
And the half-life of IV averages 3-4h, vs 24-30. It's not like when you take it sublingually the T1/2 magically increases, it increases because the drug is released from mucous membranes so slowly. They also believe that they're is a shallow depot effect from sublingual buprenorphine.

It is the same thing with rectal administration. With many drugs, using either the sublingual or rectal route results in a longer half-life. In exchange, plasma levels are lower.

Think of it as sublingual having a similar effect to taking extended release medication; the amount released is the same, but it is released (much) more slowly, resulting in an extended duration. Plasma levels are correspondingly lower.

In buprenorphine's case, sublingual BA is only 40-60%, and that is with a liquid formulation! With Suboxone/Subutex, bioavailability varies anywhere from 13-35%.

So really they're is no comparison between IV and sublingual. For me, 1mg IV gives a greater effect than a full tablet(without dissolving in water). That will vary, but it is invariably several times more potent.
 
I thought 1mg IV was like 4mg and 2mg was like 8mg Sublingual? I'm trying to lower my tolerance I have been trying to do the microgram dosages this way(well 1mg at most). But I'm trying to lower my dose so I will have plenty extra if I get cut off for benzo's, been taking them more lately, a couple days in attempt to try to get fucked up(eh, don't bother really its a waste.) But taking a Medical dose of Klonopin/Xanax/Valium really helps evens out the Sub..It gets rid of my cravings even more(with JUST Subs I'm always thinking about using) but with 1-2mg of klonopin/Xanax or 10-20mg of Valium I don't even think about going out and fixing up..Never brought up getting benzo's with my doc, but am thinking about canceling my appointment for another month cuz of the val's(appointments in a couple weeks, that will definateley still be in there,damn half lives!) and bringing it up with her, or keeping my appointment and just be open about it but don't want a buncha benzo's poppin' up on the drug test and me asking for them..Damn, got way off topic, sorry about that. And how do you take your Subs Lorne? Sublingual,nasal, IV, plugging? I never can stick to a certain method and switch up a lot....

I IV exclusively. It was originally because I don't have a script, and you use so much less, but now I have grown to STRONGLY prefer the vastly different pharmacological profile of IV buprenorphine.
 
Ya, it's UNREAL how much less you have to use if you IV,crazy a pill//strip that suppose to last you a day you can make last a week or more(and think about people who are prescribed 24/32mg a day,shit a month script would last them well over a year). It would be my preferred method(not because of a buzz) but just because how much you can save, and how much they cost. Really the only reason I don't do it like that all the time is because if family/friends found out,well that would not be good at all, and I don't have micron filters, I just filter with those cottons that are made so you don't put the q-tip to far in your ear, and do it twice. Probly not the best Harm Reduction, but it's not like I can have a buncha micron filters mailed to where I live at, or to a friends house, all would strongly dissaprove and I would be sent to rehab for bupe,lol.
 
They are not fucking around about not taking too much and how it collapses your veins. I took too much, an 8 mg within ten min/ 2 shots, and was sick as fuck like puking, withdrawal symptoms even though I didn't even take it till I was in withdrawal from heroin for THREE DAYS. Miserable. Take a low dose.
 
Those sources are wrong. They are based off of the bioavailability of a liquid formulation( or the new Zubsolv) being close to 50%.

The problem is that the half-life is EXPONENTIALLY shorter. So even if the BA we're 100%, IV would still be exponentially more potent.

As I stated in my first post, peak plasma from IV buprenorphine is 10-20x higher than sublingual(mean 15).
And the half-life of IV averages 3-4h, vs 24-30. It's not like when you take it sublingually the T1/2 magically increases, it increases because the drug is released from mucous membranes so slowly. They also believe that they're is a shallow depot effect from sublingual buprenorphine.

It is the same thing with rectal administration. With many drugs, using either the sublingual or rectal route results in a longer half-life. In exchange, plasma levels are lower.

Think of it as sublingual having a similar effect to taking extended release medication; the amount released is the same, but it is released (much) more slowly, resulting in an extended duration. Plasma levels are correspondingly lower.

In buprenorphine's case, sublingual BA is only 40-60%, and that is with a liquid formulation! With Suboxone/Subutex, bioavailability varies anywhere from 13-35%.

So really they're is no comparison between IV and sublingual. For me, 1mg IV gives a greater effect than a full tablet(without dissolving in water). That will vary, but it is invariably several times more potent.

I would like to beg a differ on your sublingual bioavailability and the whole liquid deal.. I strongly believe that the new Suboxone Films (which is what i use) can indeed have a bio of up to 55% sublingual, not in liquid form, just the regular, good ol' films.
 
I would like to beg a differ on your sublingual bioavailability and the whole liquid deal.. I strongly believe that the new Suboxone Films (which is what i use) can indeed have a bio of up to 55% sublingual, not in liquid form, just the regular, good ol' films.

I was talking about the tablets.

But I actually agree that the strips have an increased BA,(though this mostly speculation) however it's not as high as a liquid formulation/zubsolv. Zubsolv have the full BA, and thus reduced doses are you used(5.4? I can never remember!)
 
I don't see what's so fun about infections making your body septic and having rock hard veins but then again I've been there too.
 
^^^ I don't think anyone here said it was fun, I certainly didn't.

But I've IV'ed my drugs for years now and don't have any of those problems.

It sure as hell isn't fun though.

But I can understand with buprenorphine, ESPECIALLY if you don't have a script. As Screaming skull said, taking a strip that would last 1 day, and making it last several is fucking amazing for the po' man.
Seriously, shit is like gold if your broke.

But altering a perfectly good maintenance to switch to IV for no good reason? Unadvisable, to say the least, as I have already said.
 
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