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madagascar periwinkle a psychedelic plant?

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i've been seeing info on the psychedelic properties of a common garden plant, the madagascar periwinkle. it said on wikipedia that it can be hallucinogenic if ingested and it was listed (under the synonym "vinca minor") on an act to make hallucinogenic plants outlawed for consumtion in louisiana alongside san pedro cactus, datura/brugmansia, and other known psychoactive plants. one member of the periwinkle family contains yohimbine, and other sites said the madagascar periwinkle contained ibogaine. anybody have any info or experiences with this plant?
 
To my knowledge, V. minor (Periwinkle) is a nootropic (principal active ingredient being Vincamine) - without psychedelic effects. Not sure if "Madagascar" periwinkle is the same thing.
 
To my knowledge, V. minor (Periwinkle) is a nootropic (principal active ingredient being Vincamine) - without psychedelic effects. Not sure if "Madagascar" periwinkle is the same thing.

they are the same, and there are many reports of hallucinogenic effects i'm seeing. like i said, its even illegal in louisiana and listed as a hallucinogen.
 
Well I've had periwinkle tea a couple of times and never experienced anything remotely psychedelic.

However, Vincamine, even more so than its better-known derivative Vinpocetin, has proven (to me) to be a memory-enhancer that actually works.

Its listing as a hallucinogen in Louisiana may be an artifact of retarded drug legislation. But I could be wrong of course...
 
Carantheus Roseus is the periwinkle species in question, not the Vinca species.

Lousiana regulation was cribbed from a long list of entheogenic/toxic plants verbatim, and includes the seed/fruit of a large tropical amerindian tree which is extremely uncommon, and is about as likely to turn up on the street as 20-bags of leprechaun shit, along with the bulb of desert lillies, rubbed into cuts on the head of bushmen to produce effects, and various other active, but potentially highly toxic plants.

Vinpocetine was derived from the vinca alkaloids, as are the anticancer drugs vincristine and vinblastine.

But whilst active, I do not reccomend consuming this plant, it causes depletion of white bloodcell count, remember, this is a plant anti leukaemia drugs were derived from, and it will do this if taken internally.
 
I was recently reading up on this herb (for a different reasons) and was EXTREMELY surprised to hear that people have reported psychadelic effects (even more so that it is listed on erowid) - all of which are NOT GOOD.

Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database
Mechanism of Action
The applicable parts of Madagascar periwinkle are the above ground parts. The vinca alkaloids, vincristine and vinblastine, block cell mitosis, have immunosuppressive effects, and in high concentrations, exert effects on nucleic acid and protein synthesis (6,15). The constituent, catharanthine, demonstrates diuretic properties (6). Hypotensive constituents, reserpine and alstonine, have also been isolated from Madagascar periwinkle root (6). The constituent, ajmalicine, may improve cerebral blood flow; it has been combined with rauwolfia alkaloids for treating high blood pressure (6). Concentrated extracts are reported to lower blood glucose (6), but studies by one pharmaceutical company found the plant had no effect on blood glucose levels (6).

Adversrse drug reactions
Orally, the plant is an hallucinogen, and has caused seizures, GI upset, hepatotoxicity, and alopecia (17). Adverse effects of Vinca alkaloids include nausea, vomiting, alopecia, dizziness, nystagmus, vertigo, hearing impairment, leukopenia, thrombocytopenia, bleeding, hyperuricemia, neurotoxicity, and possibly death (6,15).
Editors Comments
Madagascar periwinkle is considered likely unsafe; avoid, due to presence of toxic vinca alkaloids. The vinca alkaloids, vinblastine and vincristine, isolated from Madagascar periwinkle, are FDA approved for use as chemotherapeutic agents to treat cancers, including Hodgkin's disease, leukemia, Kaposi's sarcoma, malignant lymphomas, mycosis fungoides neuroblastoma, and Wilm's tumor (6).

Vincristine + Vinblastine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincristine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinblastine

Two compounds used in chemotherapy. As in the treatment you get when you have cancer. I.e Unpleasant, toxic and unless you really need it (I.e have cancer) there is absolutely NO benefit WHATSOEVER in taking. (not to be confused with vinpocetine which is potentially nootropic, these compounds are entirely different)

Reserpine = Depression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserpine
By blocking VMAT transporter Norepinephrine, Serotonin and dopamine are not released from synaptic cleft and are therefore gobbled up by MAO (Monoamine oxidase) before ever reaching the synapse. The result hypotension + antipsychosis (Decreases dopamine signalling). But ultimately DEPRESSION, DEPRESSION and DEPRESSION, low mood and feeling rubbish.

Three compounds
...from a potential mix of many (haven't gone through them all) which in themselves make the plant completely unworthy of using without purification of useful alkaloids.

It may have MANY uses once compounds have been purified and isolated but this herb in it's unprocessed form in my opinion is NOT a safe or worthwhile entheogen.
 
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there's a trip report on Erowid about this. I think vincamine has anticholinergic(deleriant) effects if i remember correctly. Could b wrong, look it up , i'm too lazy.
 
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