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^Yeah, my blood pressure never gets that high no matter how deep into the sickness I am. I think my blood pressure is on the lower side in the first place, so when Im sick, it still appears basically normal.
 
BlueHues said:
^Yeah, my blood pressure never gets that high no matter how deep into the sickness I am. I think my blood pressure is on the lower side in the first place, so when Im sick, it still appears basically normal.
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Mine too, but even after telling them that they didn't care at all.
 
Tommyboy said:
Mine too, but even after telling them that they didn't care at all.
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That's why having some pre-determined specific criteria for a level of withdrawal like BP in order to admit someone to detox is stupid. I mean, if you're going to only admit people in who are sick, then use something like the COWS scale that shows a range of symptoms and can adjust for certain people not getting certain symptoms.

Because, withdrawal really is that way. Everyone gets it slightly different. For some, they may never really throw up that much, or they don't get a really high BP, or they don't sweat a lot, whatever. That's why you can't base withdrawal on any one symptom, and certainly not the severity of said symptom, because different people experience different things and in different ways.
 
worst about a few detoxes I've been to is you have to PISS IN A CUP before they can start you on your meds; well, for whatever reason I ALWAYS had trouble pissing infront/on-demand, even in COURT/JAIL/PROBATION, always led to problems or ended up using a patch/blood/oral.

so the rehab CAB out of Danvers, MA wouldnt give me ANYTHING until I pissed. I got there at around 1PM and was already past 24hrs and was starting to HURT bad (this was over the summer, maybe July). I told them please, please, I cannot piss right now but I am hurt. They said they need to see the piss positive for opiates so they do not think I am "using" them as a place to stay or just get drugs. if you saw me at the time, I am SURE it was easy to tell I was junked the fuck out of my mind but they still didnt give me SHIT till about 9PM that night. even when I got the script I didnt go the methadone way and went w/ the benzo way out; hoping they just ease the withdrawal and knock me out. anyway, once I finally pissed, I did about 3 doses of my drug and called my cousin to pick me up. left there, grabbed 600 bucks, got about 3G's, script benzo's, hotel room for the night, and I couldnt tell you a think what happen from there. I woke up the next day thinking "wow, what a fucking waste of money, I dont know a thing". I looked at my phone and saw a picture of some Chinese food and also a picture of me walking from the hotel to the Chinese food joint.

smart of me, right?

I wish my dick would piss on demand. it would have saved me SO MUCH TROUBLE in life.
 
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All detoxes make you take a urine test before admitting you. That's a pretty standard thing. If you don't test positive for opiates or whatever you claim you're trying to detox from, you're probably not going to be allowed in.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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All detoxes make you take a urine test before admitting you. That's a pretty standard thing. If you don't test positive for opiates or whatever you claim you're trying to detox from, you're probably not going to be allowed in.
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oh, I know. It has always been a problem for me. way back in 04 the Spectrum I went to let it go because I was brought in by court and wasnt able to give the piss immediate but had to be put in a bed ASAP! finally after a lot of hassle court put me on a weekly arm band/patch to wear. the thing SUCKED. you'd take a shower w/ a bad on your arm. you'd live w/ a pad on top shoulder (maybe u can put elsewhere). anyway, I'd wear tshirts or tanktops and people would ask what patch is for, etc. I'd also be scared to be around anyone smoking weed thinking the patch could pick up.

anyway, never any failures or problems; went 4 years clean w/ that patch. finally got put on the most uncalled color for pissing my final year and it NEVER came up once; those were my last 5 years of sobriety. I hardly saw drugs back then; was living in jails/rehabs/etc, so I didnt hear or see much (as far as using goes).
 
BlueHues said:
^Yeah, my blood pressure never gets that high no matter how deep into the sickness I am. I think my blood pressure is on the lower side in the first place, so when Im sick, it still appears basically normal.
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Tommyboy said:
Mine too, but even after telling them that they didn't care at all.
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The one detox that I've been too mannny times since I started, it's the first one I ever went too...They're actually really cool about it. They take a urine from you and pretty much take your word for how sick you are....because of that, you have some people getting the methadone before they're really even in full WDs, because they're babies and don't want to wait....but other than that, it's pretty cool. They also pretty much assume that you need the maximum dose off all the comfort meds, so whenever it's time to medicate people, you usually just get the little cup filled with whole regimen...Methadone(first 5 days, bentyll, clonidine, hydroxyzine, Ibufrofen, Tazadone or DPH at night....They also keep everyone 7 days if they need it....

I've had other places that you have to literally fight with them every 12 hours, even for the comfort meds...and even then, they try to give you as little as they can get away with...check every symptom, it's ridiculous! It all depends who's running the place. Some people know how shitty opiate WDs are, other people are all hardcore 12 step Nazis and almost want you to suffer so that you won't actually "feel" the meds, because "we don't want the detox meds getting you high! That's the old behaviors we're trying to correct!"....Ha! I can understand not continuing to take detox meds for 2 months, but in the first 5 days, what's the point of trying to fuck with me when I'm in WD! The mentality of some of these people is ridiculous....The whole idea that "If an addict ever takes any mind altering drug even one time, they'll be right back into full blown addiction immediately!" is not true for me!

Sure, I have a tendency to take drugs addictively, but it takes time for it to happen. It's not like I take one hit of weed and an Adderall, and instantly my whole life is fucked!

Now, with heroin...it really does only take a few days, but that's the whole physical aspect of it....
 
BlueHues said:
Sure, I have a tendency to take drugs addictively, but it takes time for it to happen. It's not like I take one hit of weed and an Adderall, and instantly my whole life is fucked!

Now, with heroin...it really does only take a few days, but that's the whole physical aspect of it....
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sounds like me. although, even w/ a recent dope usage, I have no urge/feeling to use again. the same person even called and asked if I wanted "in" again and I said NO. proud of myself.

I am far from a 12 step guy; I am the type who sees all problems as problems I cause, not others, not a disease, etc. I caused these problems and I will fix these problems.

much like you said, when it comes to addy/xanny/weed, whatever. I'll take here and there. Once a week or if I come across a small supply. and then wont touch a single thing for months. well, the weed I smoke often, the rest not so much.

the dope/opiates grabbed me by the balls, tho. although my last "slip" meant shit to me, and left me w/ no headaches, no worries, no nothing, I still want NOTHING to do w/ the drug; just the money spent alone makes me SICK!
 
The detox I went to told me on the phone that I didn't have to show up sick. They said to maintain and then they used the cows scale to determine when to give the suboxone. It wasn't that bad.
 
Welderman said:
The detox I went to told me on the phone that I didn't have to show up sick. They said to maintain and then they used the cows scale to determine when to give the suboxone. It wasn't that bad.
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Yeah that sounds like a good program. The best detoxes I've been to have always had that attitude as well. They know you're going to take one last smash if you can before you check yourself in.. I mean, why wouldn't you? So they don't expect you to be super sick or sick at all when you get there.. then they wait for it to all start going down, which by the next morning will be apparent, and give you a personalized protocol.

It's not one size fits all when it comes to mediating, and too many detoxes just give everyone the same shit based on some recommendation from a doctor who doesn't even see you, because he read in a book in medschool that's how you treat opiate addicts. It's stupid.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
That's why having some pre-determined specific criteria for a level of withdrawal like BP in order to admit someone to detox is stupid. I mean, if you're going to only admit people in who are sick, then use something like the COWS scale that shows a range of symptoms and can adjust for certain people not getting certain symptoms.

Because, withdrawal really is that way. Everyone gets it slightly different. For some, they may never really throw up that much, or they don't get a really high BP, or they don't sweat a lot, whatever. That's why you can't base withdrawal on any one symptom, and certainly not the severity of said symptom, because different people experience different things and in different ways.
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The nurse at the detox I finally got into way cool. Her job was to get the insurance company to agree to have you admitted, and so since my BP wasn't high she took it again right before calling them and it was actually lower, but she used the higher of the two still. I overheard her on the phone with them and what got me in was her saying that she felt that I may cause harm to myself or others if they did not admit me, as I was sick and may do some desperate stuff if I didn't get a fix soon. I was one of the few people to actually show up there sick since the last place didn't take me in for not being sick enough and my family told me not to come home if I didn't get into this place so I made sure I didn't use for 2 days before that, and no benzos for 3 days before it.

I remember getting off the bus on one of the hottest days of the summer (first or second week of July) and walking to the detox wearing a long sleeve shirt and a hoodie, and still freezing my ass of while my lower back was covered in sweat at the same time. They gave me a blanket while I waited to be admitted, and I still continued to shiver the whole time. I got there at noon and didn't get my dose of methadone until around 5:30 PM but boy did it feel good when it finally hit me.
 
Blood pressure is an awful determinant for degree of opiate withdrawal. I was at my doctor after w/d'ing for between 48-56 hours, My BP is typically high, around 130-140/80-90. They took it and it was around 110/70, possibly lower than that but I can't remember exactly. I think my BP is high early in w/d, but I become so dehydrated that it drops, along with not eating anything and not sleeping making it drop, too.

In my line of work I have seen many people in opiate w/d, I have not found it a common trend for those people to be hypertensive.

Now pulse rate on the other hand is almost certainly elevated. Hence why the COWS takes it into consideration but does not call for checking blood pressure.
 
ha, just logged in after the maintinence timeout....bluelight.org, hunh? Does that mean the servers are now US based instead of .ru?? :( Easier fo da Man to check us out? I'm scared....8o
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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What'd they give you, 20mg's? And that helped you? How big was your habit going in?
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I got 30mg of methadone the first day, then 20mg for 2more days, 10mg the day after, and 5mg on the last day. They tried dropping me down to 10mg on day 3 but I complained and was able to stay at 20mg for an extra day and they kept me for 5 days instead of 4.

When you first get in they give you 20mg, but if it's late in the day you only get that dose instead of getting the additional 10mg nightly dose. I felt fine off the 30mgs since I had been taking days off leading to that since I was trying to be sick enough to get into the first detox, and when I got into this place I was close to 48hours since my last dose.
 
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