You could say Darwinism is in action with anything in life that has risk.
Calculated risks often pay off well though.
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(M-Butylone/100 mg) New experience: A worthy new RC
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You could say Darwinism is in action with anything in life that has risk.
Calculated risks often pay off well though.
shephard89
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As i said your right and it makes much more sense to try something with no idea what it is because some random website says so. And obviuosly much safer than MDMA , LSD etc because they're illegal and have history of use. You are a fine example of HR. I wish I could be just like you. Your so damn clever and clued up. Good luck taking your generic white powders/selling your generic white powders.
To the contrary, I've highlighted throughout the risks and relative weights of them.
And don't go thinking you talk on behalf of the forum. The only person you talk for is yourself. 8)
If you think this is some kind of "I know better than you" debate then you are sorely mistaken. I am simply giving my experiences and thoughts on the drug and it's up to others to decide what they want to believe and do.
Madaboutmeph
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i think you are being unfair shephard. I'm not an idiot or irresponsible in general. I can go months without getting high if there is nothing worth taking and I too always weigh up the risks of doing something before hand. Well, when im not already high or drunk that is lol and I share the same opinion 'ugh'
Haha you are so paranoid now that i'm a vendor just because you don't like what I'm saying.
Why are you talking about the safety of illegal drugs versus legal ones? What does that have to do with anything? Anyone in their right mind knows legality often has no indication of safety.
I've explained my reasons why I tried M-Butylone but you don't seem to be able to comprehend them. I'll recap, I tried it because I had no other options and the risk was acceptable. It would have been great to have had some MDMA, LSD, aMT or 2C-I to have but I didn't have the option so I had to take a calculated risk on the only thing I could get.
It wasn't an ideal situation of course but needs must.
shephard89
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I stopped caring a long time ago. Have fun and you might enjoy the companie of the welsh dude on youtube. and your probably right everyone on this forum is an advocate of taking unknown substances.
shephard89
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Ffs, I dont care anymore , have fun doing whatever it is you do. Please be carefull as dont need anymore daily hate mail shit storms.
Cheers for the report, mine arrived this morning, i'm going away this weekend and won't be doing any so may try a bit tonight.
I never got to try butylone, have had a tolerance to 4mmc and mdma as took quite a bit over the last week.
what other side effects does it produce?
any nystagmus, jaw clenching, sweating or vaso-constriction?
update: Just insuflated 2 x 50mg lines. I'm a bit tensed up though (usually am with first use of anything) but not feeling much yet - probably due to mdma use last week and mcat use the week before that. Logging off now will report back later, i'm going to go have a mix and let some deep house relax me a bit
Im concerned for zamzams whereabouts ???
I'm getting seriously disenchanted with the UK drugs scene and this thread pretty much sums up why. In the space of 3-4 years we've gone steadily downhill from good-quality ubiquitous crystal MDMA to mephedrone and now to unidentified mystery powders with names like N-Cat and NRG-2, for fuck's sake.
You'd think the vendors would realise it's in their interests to be forthright about what they're selling. This kind of attitude gives the pack of vultures known as the press some actual justified ammunition against drugs.
Well, enjoy your 'M-butylone', I guess.
You'd think the vendors would realise it's in their interests to be forthright about what they're selling. This kind of attitude gives the pack of vultures known as the press some actual justified ammunition against drugs.
Well, enjoy your 'M-butylone', I guess.
shephard89
Bluelighter
^^This
I tried some of this a few hours ago. It's not bad, it made my stomach feel kind of floaty and I felt slightly euphoric and more sociable than normal. After about an hour or two my stomach start to felt nauseous, however this could of been because of drinking too much last night. At the moment I feel kind of edgy. It's definitely not as fiendish as mephedrone, there's no temptation to do more and more. So, overall I'd say it's not bad. It's pretty light and not too intense.
zamzams
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I didn't like this stuff at all. Tasted very salty and bitter.
I stuck to regimen doses of 100mg every 1-2 hours for 18 hours (ended up doing just over a gram) and the effects were rubbish, kept taking more trying to attain any form of euphoria but never got any.
Had a lot of vaso constriction and pupil dilation and that was it. The buzz
was akin to a very very mild dose of ketamine and effected my vision in a similar way. felt like a mood stabiliser along with increased alertness.
I had lots of energy and concentration whilst on it but the body load (on arms and legs) was horrific for the following 72 hours. Felt very dehydrated and aching all over, lots of muscle cramps/ too much or too little salt
No nystagmus, no bruxia, just a raised & painful heart beat/ blood pressure and very cold hands and feet and ataxia when walking.
36 hours afterwards still felt raised hearbeat and had massive pupil
dilation which worried me a little but this went away with sleep.
No euphoria felt at all so I will not be doing it again.
Insuflating did not hurt but had lots of red boogers the next day.
Taking it in a cap was no different and side effects just lasted longer.
Felt like i had run a marathon the next day and I found it very difficult
to walk from the vasoncontriction. I didn't have blue knees or anything
just all extremities were cold and small (including my dick)
To anyone trying this stuff: Don't bother redosing past 200mg it wasn't worth it in my opinion. I've never tried Butylone so cannot compare it but if you're looking for something similar to mdma or meph this wasn't it.
Like Shephard said, no one knows what this stuff is so don't bother taking it, i don't know if i was sold anything similar to the other people with glowing reports.
For all i know this could have been sodium valproate (an ex-girlfriend of mine used to have epilepsy and she sometimes had ataxia)
I stuck to regimen doses of 100mg every 1-2 hours for 18 hours (ended up doing just over a gram) and the effects were rubbish, kept taking more trying to attain any form of euphoria but never got any.
Had a lot of vaso constriction and pupil dilation and that was it. The buzz
was akin to a very very mild dose of ketamine and effected my vision in a similar way. felt like a mood stabiliser along with increased alertness.
I had lots of energy and concentration whilst on it but the body load (on arms and legs) was horrific for the following 72 hours. Felt very dehydrated and aching all over, lots of muscle cramps/ too much or too little salt
No nystagmus, no bruxia, just a raised & painful heart beat/ blood pressure and very cold hands and feet and ataxia when walking.
36 hours afterwards still felt raised hearbeat and had massive pupil
dilation which worried me a little but this went away with sleep.
No euphoria felt at all so I will not be doing it again.
Insuflating did not hurt but had lots of red boogers the next day.
Taking it in a cap was no different and side effects just lasted longer.
Felt like i had run a marathon the next day and I found it very difficult
to walk from the vasoncontriction. I didn't have blue knees or anything
just all extremities were cold and small (including my dick)
To anyone trying this stuff: Don't bother redosing past 200mg it wasn't worth it in my opinion. I've never tried Butylone so cannot compare it but if you're looking for something similar to mdma or meph this wasn't it.
Like Shephard said, no one knows what this stuff is so don't bother taking it, i don't know if i was sold anything similar to the other people with glowing reports.
For all i know this could have been sodium valproate (an ex-girlfriend of mine used to have epilepsy and she sometimes had ataxia)
zamzams
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Agreed, what has happened to the legals scene in Bernard Mannings own words "It's a fucking disgrace".
I'm going to stick to my illegals from now on. I know what mdma smells and tastes like and i know if i go to a club i can at least get decent stuff and not the pips that were about for the last few years.
There's no way what you had was the same as what I had.
What i've had the last 2 weekends was in no way like ket at all and didn't have a salty taste.
Also, there was zero pupil dilation and no body load/dehydration for me. Both times I've felt perfectly normal and even nice the next day.
zamzams
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no i didn't mean it was like ket, but it was similar to the effect had from doing a tiny tiny amount (the end of key) in that it felt like a mellow heady buzz. not a full on disociative trip.
I've read a few more reports on butylone and some of the side effects felt match exactly what i felt. very dysphoric when taking a large dose.
To me though just the stimulation aspect of it on its own doesn't seem to be worth it. it's an okay stim, very clear headed and good concentration. But there was very little euphoria. I have to admit that over the past few weeks i have drained all levels of serotonin that i had. i have a very high tolerance to stimulants so am about to take a long break from them and just stick to the one's i know and love if i do decide to take them again.
All these new RCs are far too selective in their actions for my liking. Plus the fact that vendors are not being straight up as to chemical names is just going to lead to confusion and result in some very bad effects for users.
You only have to look at what's happened with NRG1 to see the state of the RC scene. Then there's all these people in NI buying "Whack" which is turning out to be NRG-1.
It's just too dangerous for any new legal RC to be handled safely and what with the amount of people introduced to them by Mephedrone i can forsee some painful times ahead for a lot of people.
I'm not knocking this "m-butylone" i'm just stating that it's not for me and it's neagtives out weight what little postives there were. I've heard butylone/methylone gpt pretty much the same marmite reactions all round.
Edit: plus it was probably the same stufff you had considering there is only one true vendor of it who wrote a witty little slogan on the label
I've read a few more reports on butylone and some of the side effects felt match exactly what i felt. very dysphoric when taking a large dose.
To me though just the stimulation aspect of it on its own doesn't seem to be worth it. it's an okay stim, very clear headed and good concentration. But there was very little euphoria. I have to admit that over the past few weeks i have drained all levels of serotonin that i had. i have a very high tolerance to stimulants so am about to take a long break from them and just stick to the one's i know and love if i do decide to take them again.
All these new RCs are far too selective in their actions for my liking. Plus the fact that vendors are not being straight up as to chemical names is just going to lead to confusion and result in some very bad effects for users.
You only have to look at what's happened with NRG1 to see the state of the RC scene. Then there's all these people in NI buying "Whack" which is turning out to be NRG-1.
It's just too dangerous for any new legal RC to be handled safely and what with the amount of people introduced to them by Mephedrone i can forsee some painful times ahead for a lot of people.
I'm not knocking this "m-butylone" i'm just stating that it's not for me and it's neagtives out weight what little postives there were. I've heard butylone/methylone gpt pretty much the same marmite reactions all round.
Edit: plus it was probably the same stufff you had considering there is only one true vendor of it who wrote a witty little slogan on the label
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seejay33
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If you've tried it would u say its similar to Nrg 2 in effects and comedown / side effects ?
Gonna give it a try and compare to what u an others are saying..
Seejay
Gonna give it a try and compare to what u an others are saying..
Seejay
zamzams
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It's so hard to distinguish between effects but they are definitely not the same imo.
NRG-2 - too much of that was ok and felt better than just a bit
M-butylone - no point in doing past 200mg as felt very dysphoric and had bad after effects.
also don't snort it - it's better bombed & your nose will be very sore tomorrow. just do a couple of 100mg bombs then lock it away until you've made your mind up whether you like it or not. Personally i don't think it's worth the asking price though.
NRG-2 - too much of that was ok and felt better than just a bit
M-butylone - no point in doing past 200mg as felt very dysphoric and had bad after effects.
also don't snort it - it's better bombed & your nose will be very sore tomorrow. just do a couple of 100mg bombs then lock it away until you've made your mind up whether you like it or not. Personally i don't think it's worth the asking price though.
You must just not react well to it. As I said in my trip report, for me, 1.5g over 24hrs was fine, and I felt great the next day. Same as with butylone.
I found value in snorting it and it was as smooth as methylone for snorting. Zero pain or drip for me.
Sounds like this is very much a 'marmite' drug, like butylone.
You're right about the price though. A bit too expensive for what it does i'd say. If it was half the price I would get some more but i'll wait on the far more interesting 6-APB at the moment.