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Opioids Lyrica and opiate withdrawal

It's worth a try though :). What have you got to lose when you're in withdrawal?
I disagree
I found it detracted from the opiate experience, as the Lyrica seemed to just overpower the opiate rather than enhance it. YMMV of course.

agreed

I think pregabalin is a rather ineffective drug that unnecessarily builds GABAergic tolerance, dependency, and a shitty discontinuation syndrome even when you taper (which is really hard/expensive to do especially when you're on a high dose like I was, (600mg and above / day), so I was forced to use benzodiazepines to taper off instead, an equally unpleasant process.
 
To all you guys, thanx for helping me about the lyrica. Some of you say it would help, or anyway, i wouldn't have much to lose being on WDs, and some other thinks that it wouldn't do shit, as i take it for years, and i've developed a tolerance...The conclusion i made, is that if i'd take the decision to kick off the opiates, i'd use it, along with other things (benzo,etc.), but i don't think it would help me a lot..Anyway, thanx again Bl'ers, i really appreciate it...%)


MartinFn
 
Hello @ll,

my name is Jan, 27 years old and come frome Germany. (sry for my bad english).

i have a big GBL withdrawal, i take 30-40ml a day since 6 Monath (its not my first withdrawal with the drug i have only 3 or 4 month in the year no gbl in my body . at the moment i cant sleep one second also with overdoses = no sleep, look like a mummy,.... atm i dose me down to 25ml/d with hope dont end in delirium tremens. when i stopp GBL with 30/40ml/d may u can get a delir.

i get no informations in the www about "GBL withdrawal Gabapentin/Pregabalin)... most people make the withdrawal in hospital or @ home with lots of diazepam of Diazepam. I did my last WD in the same way - but this wd i want to use Lyrica Pregabalin 300mg , 77x Caps) Im 189cm 85kg. My big fear is ->>> can stop Lyrica: tremor, psyfuck, depersonalisation, and the worst caste THE DELIRIUM? Lyrica must have the power of Diazepam :( ... standard wd-medecine is Diazepam but i have only 40x10mg.

Can you HELP me how to handle the WD with Lyrica? when i have not enogh Lyrica can i combine it with Diazepam (low)?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for informations

MfG Gutsy,

from Berlin

@ Martin, wish you good look, we habe 2 big forum in germany and i read very often that lyrica or neurontion helps against opiat wd`s.
 
It works on the GABA receptors just like benzodiazepans and can be very usefull for people with nerve damage/nerve pain and Fibromyalgya (spelling?) -Mikeavelli

NO, it *DOES NOT* work on *GABA* receptors. Despite having the *GABA* prefix in the name (pregabalin). It is thought to primarily work on the 'sodium ion channels' Your not the first to be confused by this. Also the withdrawal from lyrica is nothing like true benzo withdrawal and as such wont kill you (from seizures).
Though yes it is effective for Fibromyalgia.
 
Gutsy thank you very much, and welcome to Blue...Well, i'm not in WD, i was asking about just in case. I think diazepam and lyrica potentiates each other, the case is which drug's effect you wanna take, i suppose that this is diazepam..don't know about the doses, this is smth that you will fix, and control, everybody is different..
BTH, i've never try GBL, or GBH, though i've try (and abuse) a lot of drugs (I think..). Strange..%)


MartinFn
 
I've taken 600-900 mg of gabapentin while in the throes of oxymorphone withdrawal and, unfortunately, I didn't experience any relief whatsoever from it. I think it's one of those drugs that helps some people quite a bit, and others not at all. I believe it most likely depends on one's personal chemistry. But I wouldn't count on it being a sure thing. IMHO.

I take 5 of the 10/325 oxycodone a day and run out near the end of the month, about 3-4 days and it's HELL. I'm with you tho Lyrica does absolutely nothing for me, I wish it did cause I have a big supply of them
 
I take 5 of the 10/325 oxycodone a day and run out near the end of the month, about 3-4 days and it's HELL. I'm with you tho Lyrica does absolutely nothing for me, I wish it did cause I have a big supply of them

Loperamide (in large doses). Read about how to use it. It can be very cheap.
 
I couldn't tolerate Lyrica at all. I turned into a little fatty whilst on it!

I took it for migraine prophylaxis and also anxiety and whilst it was a genuine wonder drug for both problems, i just had some unfortunate side effects with it. A brilliant drug which is very useful for such a broad array of problems, so such a shame I couldn't tolerate it.

Had 112x150mg tabs that I just binned the other week. Felt a bit bad just binning them because it's such an expensive drug but just absolutely no use to me. I wish I could've at least given them to someone who'd benefit from them!


edit: I also had the worst withdrawal symptoms from Lyrica when I started to taper off of it. I was on a relatively small dose to some people and it took me 6 months to get off of, with the use of benzos too. I've never felt more awful in my life. Do be weary about this!
 
I am into day 7 of opiote detox using Lyrica

Hi everyone! I learned about using Lyrica for opiote detox a week ago. I researched it online and found many people that have had success with withdrawal symptoms. I am 7 day into my opiote detox! I had an old script for Lyrica 100mg and decided to see if it would help me. It worked wonders! I started taking 200 mg 3 times a day for the first 4 days, then dropped it down to 200 mg twice a day for 2 days. Now I am down to 100 mg twice a day. I have 2 pills left so I'm thinking one tomorrow and one the next day to taper off? I also take Ativan for severe anxiety. These are the only 2 meds I've taken for the detox the last 7 days. Anyone that has had success with opiote detox and using Lyrica is this a good taper? Will taking Lyrica for this short time cause withdrawals from Lyrica? I'm also scared that once the Lyrica is gone the opiote withdrawal will return :( advice please
 
Aqtgirl,
I'm almost 100% sure that lyrica used for 7 days in the doses you did, won't give you W/Ds...
Also i don't think opiate W/Ds will return, just try to use the ativans with caution, and don't forget that opiate detox isn't just smth it has to do only with your body, it has to do with your psychological condition and stuff..so try not to be anxious, and don't think about it all the time. You've just passed the first (and rather the most difficult..) phase, don't be afraid and go on. With all my respect, i'm not a Dr, neither i try to look like "The expert", this is just my opinion.
I wish you Good Luck with all of my heart, i like to hear of people that managed to throw away the opiate's living nightmare. Be strong,:)


MartinFn
 
I am starting a home dtox, I have lyrica and clonanzepam. Can any one give me some advice on opiate detox.
 
I wouldn't normally write a massive post like this, but I feel I can shed some light on this from my experience as an opiate addict & pharmacist. My name might suggest I'm a big fan of Lyrica, but honestly I just liked the name lol but I am on it currently, having decided to quit opiates again after 2 years of daily, rapidly increasing (especially last 6 months) use of DHC. To put things in context, I am currently taking 15-20 30mg tabs 3 times a day. This doesn't get me high, it stops me withdrawing. I can't even get high nowadays (with DHC anyway), so quitting makes sense. I've even taken 28 30mg tabs (840mg) and had barely any high except drowsiness and a throbbing headache and nausea the day after.

So back to Lyrica. My previous attempts to quit cold turkey have failed miserably. By the evening of day 1 I'm in agonizing pain, really bad RLS, depression etc. (Not really too bad for diarrhea though strangely, maybe I'm just lucky in that respect). By the evening of day 2 I'm ready to throw in towel, and if I make it through the night I go back on the DHC on day 3. So 3 days ago i took 75mg Lyrica morning and evening along with 10x30mg 3 times a day (Felt fine), yesterday I took 150mg twice a day Lyrica and only 8x30mg in morning and 4x30mg last night. Took paracetamol, naproxen as well to help. Today I again took 150mg twice a day, no opiates and as I sit here now I feel absolutely fine. I have the slightest ache in my legs and my vision is a bit blurry (Due to lyrica) but nothing else and I know I'll be able to sleep fine tonight. So for me Lyrica works wonders for withdrawal, but my use is probably less than alot of you, so maybe it has a limit to how much WD it can ease.

Now here's my pharmacists assessment of Lyrica. So as ppl have mentioned, it is not a GABA drug directly (Which I will explain shortly). Lyrica binds to voltage gated Calcium channels (VGCCs) on neurons within the CNS. When a nerve fires, an electrical signal travels the length of the neuron until it reaches the end. The signal cannot cross the gaps between neurons, so neurotransmitters are required to continue the signalling. At the end of a neuron, the electrical signal opens a channel on the neuron that is just the right shape and size for calcium ions to pass through it. And when it opens, they rush INTO the neuron en mass. The calcium ions then bind to receptors that RELEASE neurotransmitters such as noradrenaline (norepinephrine), glutamate etc. These neurotransmitters then bind to receptors on the surface of adjacent neurons, trigger another impulse, and the signalling continues in electrical form again. So when Lyrica binds to these channels, it stabilizes them and reduces the amount of time they open (you basically need a bigger nerve impulse to open them than before). And knowing what these channels do, you'll see that Lyrica reduces neurotransmitter release and dampens down neuronal firing within the CNS. Everyone following me?

Now lets go back to GABA, which alot of ppl assume is the mode of action of Lyrica. Well it does have GABA-like effects, but that's not due to GABA but instead due to glutamate. GABA and glutamate are exact opposites in what they do. GABA slows everything down, glutamate speeds everything up. Their effects are exact opposite, because all GABA does is increase the size of a stimulus that is required for a nerve impulse. Glutamate allows stimuli that are weaker to have the same effect as a stronger stimuli. So by Lyrica DECREASING glutamate, you have the same effect as you'd get from INCREASING GABA.

So why does it help with WD? Think about drugs that ppl take for WD. They take Clonidine which blocks the effects of the massive increase in noradrenaline release that's triggered during WD. This is one of reasons you can't sleep, feel restless, sweating, palpitations etc. Then we have the benzos. Benzos help with WD even if they can't eradicate all the symptoms. They relax muscles, aid sleep, reduce anxiety (another noradrenaline symptom) etc. Lyrica reduces NA release and mimics effects of GABA drugs so helps with all these symptoms. Then there's the fact that Lyrica is used as a pain-killer. It numbs the senses and prevents neurons from over-firing. Thats all pain is fundamentally, nerves sending messages to the parts of the brain that perceive pain. And these neurons will also be dampened down, so you'll feel less pain during WD on Lyrica.

I can't figure out how it would stop diarrhea though, but I did read somewhere that Lyrica has some affinity for some of the opioid receptors, so maybe that's why it reduces diarrhea and would also be an extra explanation for its efficiency for WDs. I suppose the motion of the gut is controlled neuronally too so its effects may slow that down.

So thanks for being patient and reading my essay lol I wouldn't normally ramble on like this but I've yet to find a comprehensive explanation of Lyrica's effects and how and why it helps with WDs on any site, not just bluelight.

One final piece of advice to ppl. Yes tolerance appears to occur rapidly, but its effects are still present even if you can't feel them. Just cause you don't feel high or aren't nodding doesn't mean this drug isn't working. My advice would be to start on a low dose of Lyrica (50mg-75mg twice a day maybe) and increase it by 50mg-75mg twice a day every 3 days (Upto a maximum of 400mg twice a day to be safe), whilst simultaneously dropping your opiate dose by 1/3 every 3 days. After a week or so, or when your dose isn't stupidly high, you should be able to rapidly tapor whilst maintaining your Lyrica dosing. Its effects become more prominant after 1-2weeks, so building it up in your system before quitting will help LOADS. After 2 weeks you can then reverse the Lyrica dosage (Down 50-75mg every 3 days) slowly to reduce risk of any WD from Lyrica (Lyrica WD won't be bad but tapering down will be smoother).

So finally good luck to anyone wanting to quit drugs for good, with or without Lyrica I wish you all the best and hope you'll live a happy, drug-free life.
 
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