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lyrica and losing time + acting crazy + not remembering anything i did

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So i took my 150 mg lyrica dose arou d 7 am yesterday. I remember putting my kid on bus at 7:10. Aftdr that mu memory is empty. I was told i destroyed the house, slurred my words wher no one could undrstand me and passed out in the hallway while no one was here but mh 4 yo. Has this loss of memory and loss of time ( lost from 8am to 11pm) ever happened to anyone else? I did not even tKe any other meds with it. When i did revain normalness at around 11 everyone blamed me for taking a bunch of xanax n oxycodone evej tho ALL those mess were accounted for. Has anyone ever had this thpe of reaction to Lyrica??
 
That doesn't sound good.

150mg of Lyrica is a perfectly normal starting dose. I started on 150mg for migraine prophylaxis and was fine, eventually taking 600mg daily.

Sounds like Lyrica's just not suited for you. It is quite potent, but 150mg isn't enough to send a normal person into the state that you sound like you were. Though I have heard of people taking ~200mg and being very spaced out so it's not completely unusual.

I assume for the 150mg dose you were not taking it recreationally? If so, what were you taking it for? Neuro pain?
 
I was prescribed the lyrica for fibromyalgia. I have had a few episodes of sleepwalking from taking it at night. When i took the 150 mg dose i also took baclofen (muscle relaxer). I guess like you said this med is just not for me. I also do not weigh much (90 lbs)-do you think that could have something to do with it? Thanks for your input.
 
There's a possibility that mixing Baclofen and Pregabalin will increase effects such as dizziness, drowsiness etc...
(http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=318-0,1937-0)

Wow 90lb's is tiny! 150mg in someone who only weighs 90lb may well have something to do with it, that's half my weight and 150mg made me feel a bit dopey. I'd be tempted to say that 75mg might be a better starting dose because of your size, and see how you get on with that. But you really do seem to respond quite badly to it so I honestly wouldn't want to risk your health - I'm not a trained medic after all.

If you're going to carry on taking it tonight, then I'd say to drop down to 75mg's and skip out the Baclofen today and to see how that pans out. I was prescribed Baclofen last week for a slipped disc in my spine and found it to have absolutely no impact at all. Diazepam or Methocarbamol are better relaxants, IMO. Even if it takes you a week to acclimatise up to 150mg it's best to start things slowly. Though I think you should consult your doctor on Monday either way.
 
The lyrica and baclofen combined with your really low body weight is no doubt the culprit. Both drugs can cause blackout symptoms similar to alcohol or benzos especially in high doses and with your size it's not going to take much. Mixing a gaba-b agonist like Baclofen with Lyrica sounds like a recipe for a blackout really.
 
Ah, lyrica, the so called wonder drug that's non addictive and has no psychoactive effecfs. If another shrink told that to me id laugh straight in his face. In around 10-20 years time, after handing it out like candy, much like they did valium they will "suddenly realise" everything they said was false, but in fact it's more potent than benzos, more dangerous and can cause all sorts of problems. Yes - what you've described can most definately happen while on lyrica, a starter dose of 150mg is not really normal, more like 25-50mg at the most especially considering you're on baclofen which is a GABA-B agonist, and pregabalin not only potentiates rhe baclofens activation, but adds onto it as well, as it is also a potent GABA-AB agonist too.

Basically GABA-B in high levels in the brain will cause blackouts and can put people into psychotic episodes, or make them very hostile and aggressive even if they've never been like that in their life before, so I wouldn't get too worried about it all, however if I were you id not take the lyrica again, and if you must, take it at 25mg to start off with.

You should apologise, however, be aware that this could 100% occur, and is 100% due to the lyrica (unless you also took other drugs or drank alcohol as well).
 
Synthetix, Do you say Pregabalin is a GABA ligand? Could you site a source please?
Because AFAIK it increases gaba by activating a mechanism that turns glutamate into gaba, not like benzos, which -to be more specific- are positive allosteric modulators, not exactly agonists.
 
Ah, lyrica, the so called wonder drug that's non addictive and has no psychoactive effecfs. If another shrink told that to me id laugh straight in his face.

Pregabalin is a very dirty drug. By dirty, I mean it has a very wide spectrum of effects. It's called a wonder drug due to that fact. It influences many systems in the nervous system. It has been proven to be a very effective treatment for not only seizures, but also fibromyalgia, neuropathic pain, anxiety, etc.

Also, NO ONE tries to claim it's not addictive. In fact, the original MANUFACTURER of the drug concluded that Pregabalin had the potential for addiction! If a doctor says it's "not addictive" they mean the addiction potential of Pregabalin when compared to Benzodiazepines is almost non-existant.

In around 10-20 years time, after handing it out like candy, much like they did valium they will "suddenly realise" everything they said was false, but in fact it's more potent than benzos, more dangerous and can cause all sorts of problems.

Ugh. Seriously? No it's not "more potent" than benzos. In fact, they can't be compared! Pregabalin works in a very, very different way than Benzodiazepines. You can't really use the term "more potent" when the drug in questions has a different mechanism of action. That's like saying Amphetamine is more potent than Aspirin. It doesn't even make sense.

More dangerous?! No lol. Pregabalin, in terms of the way it influences psychological systems is very safe. In fact, it's one of the safest drugs in existence. It's side-effect profile is pretty much nill. Especially when compared to other drugs. Benzodiazepines are way more dangerous than Pregabalin. Especially since withdrawing from them has the potential to cause.....death.

Pregabalin withdrawal on the other hand has very small potential of causing seizures when withdrawal from. I'm not saying they can't happen, but the likelihood of having a seizure caused by Pregabalin withdrawal is less than 1%. You need to do more research - this was easily accessible via Google.

Yes - what you've described can most definately happen while on lyrica, a starter dose of 150mg is not really normal, more like 25-50mg at the most especially considering you're on baclofen which is a GABA-B agonist, and pregabalin not only potentiates rhe baclofens activation, but adds onto it as well, as it is also a potent GABA-AB agonist too.

Nope.

Pregabalin does not bind directly to GABA receptors nor does it augment GABA currents or affects GABA metabolism - Pfizer 2006, Pregabalin prescribing information Pregabalin has no effect on GABA receptors. It's actually a Calcium Channel blocker (Ca2+). Assuming information like this is dangerous. If you have no idea what you're talking about - especially when it comes to something as serious as drugs, then don't say anything.

Basically GABA-B in high levels in the brain will cause blackouts and can put people into psychotic episodes, or make them very hostile and aggressive even if they've never been like that in their life before,

What?

GABA-B is a receptor, NOT a neurotransmitter. There are two main types of GABA receptors that we are aware of. These are the gamma-Aminobutyric acid alpha (GABA-A) receptors and the gamma-Aminobutyric acid beta (GABA-B) receptors. GABA (gamma-Aminobutyric acid) is main chemical ligand (neurotransmitter) of these receptors. This means that GABA binds to both receptors and influences different bodily functions via the receptors.

Also, GABA is not what causes blackouts. The lack of neuronal activity is what causes blackouts.

so I wouldn't get too worried about it all, however if I were you id not take the lyrica again, and if you must, take it at 25mg to start off with.

You should apologise, however, be aware that this could 100% occur, and is 100% due to the lyrica (unless you also took other drugs or drank alcohol as well).

All sedatives could cause this. So yes, I guess it's technically possible that Pregabalin could cause this. But then so could things like Benadryl, Seroquel, or DXM. You can't claim that Pregabalin is dangerous because it has the potential to do this because ALL sedatives have the potential to cause this.
 
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Oh stop believing that phizer bollocks, it's almost as if you work for them.

I took lyrica for 6 months. It took me a year to come off it. Know why? I had seizures. I lost my mind. I couldn't even get out of bed. I'm not the first person to report that either, look at all the hundreds flocking all over the Internet for advice over "why they feel bad after stopping lyrica". It's not me that's miseducated on this drug, it's you. Fine, you can believe what the mainstream studies show you all sponsored by Pfizer™, and ignore the host of people explaining that they're suffering terribly at the hands of this drug - that's also fine.

It's one of the most addictive drugs out there. Fine, in fancy medical jargon, it's highly prone for dependency forming.

Your whole amphetamine thing is wrong. Because aspirin does not increase GABA levels in the brain. Lyrica does, if we're going by your 2006 Pfizer™ Study, that study is absolutely ridiculous. I've seen them change what they say lyrica does about 4 times in the past 8 years.

How long have you been taking it for? If you have that is. Please, show me how unaddicitive it is, and stop it for 2 weeks- no I'll make it easier 1. You'll cave in after 3-4 days max. You'll start to notice all these stranges things happening around you- you won't be able to put your finger on it because you'll think ah well maybe I just didn't sleep right (which you won't, because you're no longer taking pregabalin), and then you'll have to admit it.

Oh yeah maybe I phrased what I meant wrong, probably autocorrect as I have my phone, but I mean that pregabalin causes glutamate to turn over in the brain to GABA-AB, as melkhorghost said.

I'll find the studies. Your 2006 study from phizer is horribly inaccurate - yet it's the one we all see isn't it? Maybe because they paid the FDA to approve it from that?

And your sedative thing? I mean what? That made me spit out my morning milk laughing. Just because other sedatives can do the same doesn't mean that pregabalin should be listed as bad because other sedatives can cause the same effects? WHAT?! HAH

By the way I mean no disrespect to you by this post, but please, don't just believe what the company lies to you about. Through that study pregabalin actually effects nothing apart from calcium channels. It affects absolutely no neurotransmitters whatsoever. Yet how come people report all sorts of effects, ranging from euphoria to intense hallucinations while on the drug? If calcium channel blockers were so amazing, surely they'd be candidates of abuse? What class does it belong to then? Phenylalkylamine? Dihydropyridine? Benzothiazepines?

"Lyrica is one of four drugs which a subsidiary of Pfizer in 2009 pleaded guilty to misbranding "with the intent to defraud or mislead". Pfizer agreed to pay $2.3 billion (£1.4 billion) in settlement, and entered a corporate integrity agreement. Pfizer illegally promoted the drugs and caused false claims to be submitted to government healthcare programs for uses that were not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)." - says it all really.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11709066


Upregulation of gamma-aminobutyric acid transporter expression: role of alkylated gamma-aminobutyric acid derivatives.

Pregabalin [(S)-(+)-3-isobutylgaba] and gabapentin [1-(aminomethyl)cyclohexane acetic acid] are gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) derivatives that are effective in the treatment of behavioural disorders, convulsions, epilepsy and hyperalgesia. The mechanisms underlying the diverse actions of these compounds in the brain have not been well elucidated. To test the hypothesis that these compounds exert some of their effects on GABAergic systems in the brain, we examined their role in regulating the rat brain GABA transporter GAT1, a plasma membrane protein involved in regulating synaptic transmitter levels. Prolonged incubation of hippocampal cultures, which endogenously express GAT1, with gabapentin and pregabalin caused a 2-fold increase in subsequent GABA uptake, which was concentration- and time-dependent. This increase in uptake was correlated with a redistribution of GAT1 protein from intracellular locations to the plasma membrane. Further experiments also suggested that the signal transduction cascade that modulates pregabalin-mediated GAT1 redistribution may involve pathways activated by specific GAT1 substrates and antagonists but does not involve protein kinase C and tyrosine kinases, two other pathways known to regulate GAT1 redistribution. These data suggest that pregabalin and gabapentin may exert some of their actions in the brain by altering GABAergic signalling.

Another thing I was trying to get across is that pregabalin makes any GABA agonist that you've taken stronger. Baclofen is a potent GABA-b receptor agonist. Combine it with something that will potentiate it strongly=????

And as for saying that this drug is safe.... You're in way over your head with that statement. A study performed stated that pregabalin and gabapentin essentially STOPPED the production of neurons in the brain, and that was one of the underlying mechanisms of action of it. Does that sound safe to you?
 
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i dont have any solutions for you, i dont know why it happened or what you should do, im just chiming in because i take a high dose of xanax, and this happens to me too. its random i nevetr know when its going to happen, it also makes me do other shit like its giving me a new personality. along with the loss of time, sometimes when i take it ill turn into a klepto for no reason. something inside me is make me want to take these things and its always stupid shit id never want in a million years. its only stuff i can swiftly put in my pocket without being caught. and as far as you wreckng the house, it reminds me of the other thing xanax does randomly... i turn into this cocky as mother fucker with a side of beligerant in my pocket waiting to be pulled out. almost like a mean drunk. thank god these things are very rare and i might have just one of those in a 4-7 month period, sometimes multiple times. i have no idea why it seems to give me these weird random personalities. i know of other xanax users who do the same stealing thing as me so i know whatever the xanax is doing isnt because of me, its just the xanax acting weird. medications are weird. ive been on xanax for 14 years now, i know how it works and effects me i just dont kow why this other stuff happens out of no where. maybe its grabbing hold of a part of my personality that i never used hah who knows its nuts


edit; i just thought of this. ive heard of people acting out dreams when on medication maybe thats what youre doing. youre sleep walking and acting it out in the real world, and u dont remember what u did cause u dont remember the dream. if u cant recall a dream you were having the instant you wake up it ends up being near impossible to remeber anything after 10-20min
 
Oh my god I hate lyrica. I took a couple of them and I was really messed up. I felt really drunk, I couldn't walk and I slurred my words. The first time I tried it, it was like 9:00pm when I took them and felt nothing all night. So I eventually fell asleep and when I woke up the next morning I felt soooo messed up. I could hardly get out of the bed cuz it was like being drunk as hell.

The second time I did it in the evening and it kicked in a lot faster. I didn't do as much as the first time so I wasn't as bad. It was like a normal drunk feeling. But I don't think I experienced any memory loss. I remember everything that happened, the second time I was walkin a trail and almost got bit buy a snake haha
 
First and foremost...

Lyrica is as safe as any sedative.

The cases that include addiction is from previous abuse of sedatives. This also is people were indeed taking lyrica in doses so far out of the therapeutic range it is ridiculous.

It blocks the calcium channels in various muscle tissues, central and peripheral neurons... It is a beautiful add-on and single anticonvulsant.

This also makes it the perfect anti-anxiety drug. As it also blocks several compounds that contribute to/make anxiety.


So for all those people that were messed up and or abused this drug, you are taking it out on the wrong things...

The drug is not to blame, it is the financial and educational systems that circumvent your safety...

The drug is scheduled and has warnings listed on prescriptions just like every other drug.


You are the end consumer. It is indeed your choice and right to take the said drug.

No one is forcing you to do it.



Lyrica is a good drug. It's not evil, it's not sinister...

If you waft grams of this in one sitting, you are the one asking for problems...
 
Jay, while I agree with you on some points, I really get vented about lyrica because of the trauma I went throuhj with it. I've done a lot of research about this drug since then, obviously I'm not a professional medical expert, but I feel as if I know a great deal about it.

The point about education is where I highly agree with you, and could not agree more. I had never abused any sedative apart from occasionally binge drinking before being given this drug. While I had abused codeine, I was 8 months sober and was under a heavy fitness regime. I was 16 years old. I never abused lyrica, I took it as directed. The doctor had told me directly that this drug was the alternative to the "addictive old class of antiolyxics" and that if I wanted to, I could just stop taking it. I was started as I said on 50mg twice a day, which escalated to 900mg a day on top of benzos and an SSRI in the end. I had to take the tablets as it was part of me be allowed to be in this school, as I was kicked out of my old one. It was only once I felt the warm sensation of the lyrica and benzos mixed together that I tried to mix them with some of my old pain meds, scrambling around the cupboards for my dad's cancer meds, my mum's old ass sleepers - rohypnol 2mg tabs from 1996, lexotans from the same year and new lexotanil 6mg bars. I felt the sweet serenity I'd been missing all my life suddenly. But it wasn't serenity, merely the beginning of trading your soul for drugs.

I was 16. I had no real knowledge of hard heavy hitting drugs, I mean when I say I was abusing codeine, I was only taking 90mg now and then, tops 150, I had them in 30mg tabs - I got a box of 28 a week. Hardly enough to full time abuse. I had been scribed a 28 pack of diazepam prior to all of this too, to help me sleep- this was after my father died. I was 15. I didn't like them, he'll I didn't even get much of an effect, all I got was a weird wobbly sensation which I disliked enormously, and they were only 5mg. Gave them back, scribed zopiclone, I took one a week max, as I hated the metallic taste. I didn't even finish the box in a whole year.

Lyrica is deceptive, and it is designed to be so. False information about this super new anti anxiety drug which isn't addictive, able to stop instantly, hell that's just one of the claims. I came off benzos quicker than lyrica. I had to buy the super expensive syrup to dose 1mg of lyrica at the end, you know why? The caps only go up 25mg. Hmmmm. The $27 BILLION dollar lawsuit that they're paying due to lyrica causing people to commit suicide is nothing in comparison to the amount of lived taken, childhood's ruined, adolescent years ruined, families broken, relationships destroyed, just few of the many morals destroyed because Pfizer has made a blockbuster drug. Congratulations.
 
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