Lung issues from vaping?

[Ismene2]

Been falling in love with vaping live resin. It's one of the few drugs that improves my wifi signal. But Im a bit wary of vaping fucking my lungs up. Are you a viper of long experience? Are your lungs fucked?

 

[Bleaney]

I think if it vapes anything like weed, I guess that it's probably a lot less harmful to only vape until the resin is lightly browned. Rather than persisting until it becomes dark brown, or even black, or even worse totally incinerated.

I haven't seen anyone else ask or answer this question so that's just my best guess.

With this, I'm assuming that resin responds to vaping in the same or similar way that weed does. Although of course if it's already brown, then you'll be going by different shades of brown according to how heavily it's been vaped.

And then you can store all of your AVB and use it for edibles, with the bonus that there'll be more THC left in material that has only been lightly vaped.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Never vaped anything as fancy as 'live resin' (you're a show-off, Issy), but I've vaped plenty of weed and it's always made my lungs feel fine. I honestly wouldn't worry.

I need to invest in a new vape that's decent with hash though. But that combination of good hashish and tobacco is so perfect!

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

But that combination of good hashish and tobacco is so perfect!

Gross. (I did same for a good while though before seeing the light many years ago now - it was the standard back then and how we learned to consume). Couldn't bear the thought of my cannabis being contaminated like that thesedays though, ugh.

As for vaping, it can make me cough just as much as any other ROA , often more (apart from oral ofc, which tends to not induce any coughing. )Different vaping methods vary that a lot though and it's obviously better to use a device which cools the vapour as much as possible. No idea how it affects the lungs in comparison to other methods really though.

I do also like an occasional dab of Live Resin too (probably my favourite of the modern concentrates alongside badder).

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I gave up mixing green with tobacco a long time ago, but there's something about the mixture of baccy with hash that brings me back. I only use tobacco from dead cigars.

I do have a dynavap copy, but it's a pain to have to constantly clean out. Lovely smooth high, but it just doesn't feel as dirty as it should. It's like you've copped off with Taylor Swift instead of Dita von Teese.

 

[Bleaney]

As I have mentioned a few times, I've recently had a lung cancer scare, where the comments in the medical notes after every test and scan I had were that a spot I had on my lung should be viewed with the suspicion of being malignant. And no mention of 'but it might not be' so I was working towards accepting that I was going to need surgery on my lung to get the spot removed. And it was only after the biopsy that things changed completely when I got the result that it was just a benign growth after all.

So during all of that I immediately stopped any more vaping of weed. IIRC its also advised not to smoke or vape after having had a lung biopsy. Presumably that procedure pokes holes inside the surface of your lungs or something and increases the risk of cancer. Also after having worked on trying to accept that it was likely that I had lung cancer, and was going to need surgery, it would just feel wrong to vape again, as if I was taking the piss, or disrespecting fate, and my lungs. So despite being tempted a few times, I have resisted.

After some research on decarbing for activating weed for edibles, it seems that there are so many conflicting accounts of what methods, and timings and heat settings etc should be used. Also with either using my oven to bake some weed, or pan frying, or simmering in a sealed mason jar in a pan of water, all those methods are likely to stink out my house. And the gossipy neighbour next door would be off on one again, so that's a no go really.

I eventually decided on a mini decarbing 'oven' that seems to be relatively cheap and affordable (at least compared to some other similar products), portable, easy to use and reliable, with many good reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09GF64R3H

Plus I'll be able to use it in the upstairs bathroom with the extractor fan on, so hopefully any smells will be sucked out and rise up as warmer air rises, and not be very noticeable to anyone.

There's at least 2 other households very close to me that also use weed. Of course it's so obvious because of the smell. So it's not just me. And any smells could be coming from anywhere.

 

[Jackal]

I feel like vaping will be proven in time to be as or more harmful than smoking


But that just, like, my opinion, man

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

I was vaping up to 100mg of nicotine a day and the worse I got was a slightly froggy through

Not sure if vaping plant matter will fuck your lungs up more or less

 

[Bleaney]

I feel like vaping will be proven in time to be as or more harmful than smoking


But that just, like, my opinion, man

Could be. Obviously we wont really know until we see the health outcomes of people vaping for a lifetime when they reach their 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s, by which time any problems will become apparent.

If vaping turns out to be worse, the problems could surface sooner than that.

But I think the current consensus among health professionals and researchers is that vaping is likely to be less harmful than smoking. But we wont really know until the time has passed, and the data has come in, as you say.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

I feel like vaping will be proven in time to be as or more harmful than smoking


But that just, like, my opinion, man

Extremely unlikely, considering that you're only inhaling vapour, not burnt plant matter

The only issue I can see is that its easier to get through absurd amounts of nicotine with a vape than with cigs, but again, the main issue with cigs is the inhalation of burnt plant matter, not the nicotine itself

All of the cases of "Popcorn lung" etc are from illicit THC vapes IIRC

 

[Bleaney]

I was vaping up to 100mg of nicotine a day and the worse I got was a slightly froggy through

Not sure if vaping plant matter will fuck your lungs up more or less

IIRC I heard somewhere that vaping dry plant matter, especially if it's cooled (via using a cold water bong in your set up) or at lower heat, is likely to be less harmful than vaping nicotine in the liquids it comes in. For some reason, some vape products have vitamin E in them, and it is believed that this could be particularly harmful, and should be avoided, as it's suspected to be sticky and oily within the lungs. And vape products don't seem to be very highly regulated as to their listings of the ingredients within them, AFAIK.

 

[Ismene2]

I heard some shit about live resin reconstituting in your lungs and being so sticky your lung cant clean it.

Im sticking to eating now. You feel me?

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Looks like the Vitamin E is mainly just in illicit THC vapes, the legal ones are usually just nicotine + vg/pg and flavouring

 

[jasperkent]

Im sticking to eating now. You feel me?

Yep. I've only consumed my homemade edibles for about a year now.

 

[jasperkent]

Kinda funny...

Early cannabis users were called vipers.
Now they're called vapers.

 

[Ismene2]

There's a great book using that kind of language - vipers and moochers - "Really the blues" by Mezz Mezzrow - one of the best drug books ever written.

One other thing I've noticed for anyone vaping D9 - if you havn't had a syringe of D9 and tried to swallow it - it's like a really hard treacle - it can be stuck to your teeth and tongue for hours on end. God knows how your lungs go about clearing it. Just sayin'

Apparantly there is a way of protecting your lungs from vapes - you just need to deeply inhale your own farts, that should clear the lung.

 

[Bleaney]

I still havent quite got the hang of decarbing.

I mean, AVB was pretty straightforward, just have a tbsp or 2 of AVB mixed into kratom yogurt, and that worked OK, (tasted surprisingly good too) apart from a very long onset time.. But as I no longer vape, I cant do that anymore.

I have a new decarbing mini oven, but I haven't quite figured out the heating times, or the best fats, oils, additives etc to use, as well as the strength and onset times.

I just did a decarb first time as it arrived late in the day and didn't have time to do anything else that day. The effects didn't kick in until after I'd gone to sleep . But I did wake up briefly feeling great!

I tried an olive oil infusion the other day. I had no idea how much infused oil to consume. I ended up going with several tsps. I didn't feel much of anything. Except that falling asleep on the sofa thing, (which happened several hours later) where you just feel far too god damn comfortable and good to have to move to go to bed. So I wallowed in that for a time. This never feels as good as this w/o weed.

But that was it. Apart from waking the next day feeling absolutely fucked for the whole morning! I'm gonna get some liquid Lecithin, which apparently increases the absorption rates of all the cannabinoids in the fats or oils, and also the speed, reliability, and predictability of the absorption. So they say, anyway.

Not sure if I'll need to do a 2nd infusion of my oil, or if I can just add the Lecithin.

This is the one to get apparently: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Lecithin+liquid&iar=images&t=newext&atb=v390-1&iai=https://cloudinary.images-iherb.com/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto:eco/images/now/now02372/l/34.jpg

I'm just gonna have another 2 tsps of oil that I pressed and squeezed through the flower 'tea bag' following infusion, I think it must be quite strong after that. I'll also eat the bud, it seems a waste not to. Even if all these fancy infusing experts on Reddit don't seem to do that. There must be some actives left in it surely.

It's also interesting to learn that THC can be turned into CBN, which is a far more sedating compound. It seems highly contentious as to the best methods of achieving the conversion, with some saying sunlight, air, and time (months) will do the trick, while others say infusions of 4 hours plus will achieve the same result. I think I'll start looking into all of that a bit more, once I've got the fundamentals a bit more sussed.

 

[Bleaney]

I found out last night, that my infused oil works extremely effectively and quickly when taken sublingually.

Far better than swalllowing it.

I'm keeping it in the fridge, and it has now set into a sort of thick paste, and I had about 2/3 of a tsp under the tongue, and the next thing I knew it was 3am and I'd been asleep for 4 hours! I'm obviously going to try a much smaller dose next time!

It tasted strong too, it must be very potent. I'm still slightly buzzed this morning.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Never vaped anything as fancy as 'live resin' (you're a show-off, Issy), but I've vaped plenty of weed and it's always made my lungs feel fine. I honestly wouldn't worry.

I need to invest in a new vape that's decent with hash though. But that combination of good hashish and tobacco is so perfect!

Cannabis without tobacco is like a dog without a bone.

That's why I can't give up nicotine...

 

[Ismene2]

Good point Bleaney - I've just tried vaping some home-made carts with terpenes for the first time today, lot more bioavailability vaping than eating.