Lucifer's Fall...

[What 23]

Panic, can you elaborate?

 

[Ninae]

What I meant to say is that there is a difference between Lucifer and Satan or the "Chief Commander" (of the dark forces). The Chief Commander is at the head of the hierarchy of darkness, who orchestrates all kinds of mischief, and the one you sell your soul to - "I sold my to the Chief Commander, the one in the invisible world" - Bob Dylan (nice move Dylan).

This one I see as being at the fountain of darkness, and the one who distributes it throughout Creation as he sees fit and makes out all the plans for the dark side. While Lucifer I see more as the one who limits its activity and make sure it doesn't get out or hand or go aganst God's will (as much as possible) or more as a passive observer. Basically, I think he manages not to get his hands dirty despite of working in the middle of it all, and that's why he was chosen for the job.

As for the name, what's in a name? Anyone can call themselves Lucifer. I think he's been a deliberate confusion with Satan. Also all those Satanists who call themselves "Luciferians", it's kind of a cover that doesn't sound as bad as people don't know much about Lucifer. Kind of the ones who call themselves Christian (they like switching things up and hiding themselves behind something more respectable sounding and DECEPTION in itself).

Also, the way people refer to him as "God" and say "Lucifer is the real God of this world". Well, he WOULD be God to them, as he limits their activity and puts a stop to many of their bad plans. So they probably view him as a detested despotic kind of God (like the one in the Old Testament).

Anyway, it would be nice to think he'll soon, or already be back in his luminous form, the one who has performed the ultimate sacrifice, and has grown even greater and brighter through it. If he has /will come back after all that time, or after spending a whole eternity chained into darkness out of will for self-sacrifice, he has probably changed to something different or climbed a rank in the angelic hierarchy.

Although that takes forever, but then Lucifer wasn't an angel, he was a Cherub, the second highest in the angelic hierarchy and close to becoming a Seraphim, who only guard the thrown of God. I think Cherubs are the lowset who get involved with humanity or Creation in any way. So in that sense I guess it would be right to say he was the highest angel that mattered to us as the Seraphim are far beyound all our comprehension..

By the way, I wonder if Lucifer was ever embodied in physical incarnations? That would have been something to have seen. How he went about things as he became such a legend. Maybe something close to Jesus, although Jesus has a human soul (the first-born of God?), so his development would be slower but more stable.

Angels evolve more quickly, but more fleeting, and with many setbacks, as many don't ever properly land on Earth and don't quite realise they're not still in heaven (Marilyn Monroe, Pete Doherty, etc. many in the drug scene).

There's a purity and innocence and kind of perfected friendliness about them. But they tend to lack realism and normal grounding (Marilyn Monroe aww). They like drugs because it makes them feel closer to home or enables them to linger inbetween Heaven and Earth.

(Lucifer would probably hate drugs with a "Holy Anger")


P.S Thom Yorke should also be added to one of the incarnated angels in the public eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

He has an obvious angelic essence underneath...and I'd say he's aware of it by the way he sings "You're just like an angel". He just prefers to keep it a secret and work for the good.

He's very different from Pete Doherty, however. Much more reasonable and has much more self-control and realism built into him, and understands how this world works. Also much, much stronger. "I don't care if it hurts". The heart of a lion.

Wouldn't say one is that much greater than the other. Have a feeling PD has done great things for this world in the past, but was mislead in this lifetime, as it happens. But thanks to both for the sacrifice.

 

[Ninae]

By the way, as for the Egyptian thread the Ankh was just supposed to be the first point of a long list of things that MIGHT have contributed to the aura and mystery around Egypt and continual obsession with it which has withstood the test of time, as I do feel there must be some real significance to it.

Instead it just ended up as a long debate between someone with two opposing viewpoints and should have been terminated much sooner. So now I ruined the thread? Obviously, nothing in that vein can ever be actually proved, but it could be an interesting subject for discussion, I think many would eventually find.

I haven't really focused on it in much detail before so I thought it would be interesting. Also, there's no need for anyone to project resentful vibes against me just because they haven't happened to win over me in debate (objectively, that is). That's for small-minded people with a fragile ego and there's no need for anyone to stoop that low. Please delete as approptiate as this wasn't for this thread.

 

[panic in paradise]

What I meant to say is that there is a difference between Lucifer and Satan or the "Chief Commander" (of the dark forces). The Chief Commander is at the head of the hierarchy of darkness, who orchestrates all kinds of mischief, and the one you sell your soul to - "I sold my to the Chief Commander, the one in the invisible world" - Bob Dylan (nice move Dylan).

they way i interpret what he is referring to as Commander and Chief, is as God, who exists beyond the material realm and in the invisible.

 

[Ninae]

they way i interpret what he is referring to as Commander and Chief, is as God, who exists beyond the material realm and in the invisible.

The "Chief" could virtually be anyone you imagine, or used to describe anyone in a position of authority, I think. It doesn't really apply anything of the nature of the Chief.

Anyway, back to the main subject, there has been a lot written about lately that Lucifer has returned back to God, although he was almost destroyed by all the negativity projected on him by humanity, in all kinds of different ways (by good and bad people). But that he managed to Complete his mission and now will rest in Paradise for all eternity, which was meant to be his reward.

To show you a description of the kind of thing that now gets channeled about it:

"As you all may know, Lucifer has returned Home, to the welcoming arms of his Mother/Father God, his twin flame Archangel Gabrielle, and his adoring brothers and sisters. He was given a hero’s welcome, much to his surprise, for he thought his long journey to Earth has failed to bring more light and higher vibration to the planet, which was his plan.

The intentionally-created Dark Energy form which was “Satan” has been captured and taken to the Light. The Dark Entities have now heard the story, and are in disarray and confusion because they had been manipulated into thinking that Lucifer was the Devil, the representative of all evil, and their powerful leader.

They are now stunned to discover that the one named Lucifer is in fact the essence of Light and Love, and they are beginning to come out of their dark hiding places, fearful, confused, disillusioned and desperate. Many are attaching themselves to unsuspecting Lightworkers, in an effort to find a way to be saved. Most are willing now to turn toward the Light, to be forgiven and restored in Love.

They are attaching themselves by the thousands to Gabrielle’s Pillar of Light protection which surrounds her. As a team, Lucifer, Archangel Michael, St. Germain and I, along with, Father God, and many others, counsel and reassure them. They are being wrapped in a cocoon of Light, and most of them are choosing to go back to Source to be restored to the Light.

This is truly a monumental endeavor. Gabrielle has joyfully offered to be of service by offering herself as the Light which attracts the thousands upon thousands of Dark Entities, who have been terrified to return because of what they have done. They fear punishment, but what they receive is kindness, forgiveness and endless Love. We escort them, one and all, to the Light to meet God. The planet is at last being cleared of these Dark Ones, most of whom were misdirected followers. It is truly a triumph for Light over Darkness."

(From Jesus)

Yes, that sounds about right according to my intuition or inspiration I received when I started the thread. I just felt there was something a bit off there. Of course in the beginning it was so unclear for me everyone just thought I was crazy, but seeing it laid out like this it makes a lot more sense and is simple enough to understand.

 

[Ninae]

Such a controversial subject, no one even wants to comment...

But come to think of it, there's a post I found that I made in April that sounds very similar. Displaying my prophetic skills in full blossom Only joking, but sometimes it's like I have a long tunnel of light in the darkness of my mind I can follow to the conclusion, if I make enough effort to.

Anyway, here's what I came up with then:


"You know, when sometimes in a movie someone think they have met someone really saintly or angelic, usually in a romantic sense, then at the end they will reveal themselves as some kind of devious creature, and we all have a massive shock, and they're all like, "Oh no! How I've been tricked! How could I have let this happen?" etc.?

Well, it might turn out a bit like that. Or one day when the "devilworshippers" of this world look upon their "God" of darkness he will transform in front of their eyes to a divine angel of the most brilliant light. And they will be all horrified and filled with dread because they know what is coming (or think they do as they have no faith in the mercy of God). Then they will know how badly they have messed up - not just in the eyes of God or Jesus, but even in the eyes of the one they thought was the Devil, the one they thought they were serving and suffering for all along, who won't even have anything to do with them now. And that is a pretty epic failure.

They might be remembered as the ones who prolonged his suffering even more, at the end of it, when this tricksy game is done."


Right, well, that was pretty much identical. But it's still not like I take a fire and brimstone attitude that his followers should burn in Hell for all Eternity. The ideal outcome I can see is that they will choose to turn back to the light, although it will be a massive transformation for them, and give themselves over in trust to be healed by the Company of Heaven. Even Lucifer himself has probably already forgiven them and is willing to support them. He wasn't revered as the most brilliant angel in Heaven for no reason.

Love to the true Lucifer, and thanks for the privilige of being able to bring these alternative ideas out to even a small amount of people.

 

[Foreigner]

Ninae, please create a blog.

I'm closing this.