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LSD's message?

If I'm going to believe in 'messages' in molecules then what's to say that 'nature' doesn't encode a 'message' into everything that is, every grain of dust, every atom, every photon, every organism , every wilderness, every star, every black hole, etc.? What's to say the entire universe isn't 'information' as much as it is 'matter' or 'energy'? And if thats the case, then there are so many messages we don't see, and maybe what a message really means is what a just message means to us anyways.
 
I don't think you are so far from the truth, I do think the universe contains much, much more information that we can obtain in our normal state of mind, but through the advances of consciousness brought about from plant hallucinogens, that data can be better understood. The common analogy is wearing thermal goggles: they aren't showing you fabrications, they are displaying information you cannot see from your normal eyesite.
 
gloggawogga said:
If I'm going to believe in 'messages' in molecules then what's to say that 'nature' doesn't encode a 'message' into everything that is, every grain of dust, every atom, every photon, every organism , every wilderness, every star, every black hole, etc.? What's to say the entire universe isn't 'information' as much as it is 'matter' or 'energy'? And if thats the case, then there are so many messages we don't see, and maybe what a message really means is what a just message means to us anyways.


Yeah possible for sure.







zophen
 
The word psychedelic infers that the entire experience is of the mind and not in any way directly influenced by the particular chemical.

This being said, I believe there is a central theme to the psychedelic experience. Most of these points have already been mentioned. Psychedelics remove the lenses with which we see the world and allow us to see our reality in a new focus, or from a different perspective. What the user sees and puts back into our world of defined thoughts and descriptions is basicly but a fragment of the experience, at best, and should be expected to differ from person to person.
 
What about the empathy/ love experienced by most acid users after tripping?


What the hell are you talking about? I've been around a lot of acid users during and after trips, and there's usually more zany recklessness experienced but not any more empathy than the tripper usually experiences.
 
Tell you what the other night when tripping I had a strange experience about water, I have always known that water passes through many things and many things are dissolved in it but I knew that in an intellectual type way , after the other night I know it in a whole different way, water is hugely ancient and is in all living things passing through all living things, it felt like a spirit to me at the time, water spirit/lifeforce eternal. Good stuff.







zophen
 
zophen said:
Tell you what the other night when tripping I had a strange experience about water, I have always known that water passes through many things and many things are dissolved in it but I knew that in an intellectual type way , after the other night I know it in a whole different way, water is hugely ancient and is in all living things passing through all living things, it felt like a spirit to me at the time, water spirit/lifeforce eternal. Good stuff.


You might like to get into Masaru Emoto's research into the messages from water, etc. "What the Bleep do we Know" makes use of it in its story line....

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=water+masaru+emoto&meta=
 
^Thanks ximot will look at that .
Yeah even that brief peep at it confirms what I felt that it is a consciousness or has one of its own like all knowledge is within it and could perhaps be accessed from it , very odd but interesting experience.



zophen
 
My take on it is that people's experiences are similar enough that by looking at them as a whole a sort of message does appear. And its a real enough message- not just that we are all one, rather the general outlook on life as a delicious and thoroughly amazing opportunity to be siezed and enjoyed. Thats the message my radio has recieved.
 
I wouldn't say LSD has a message per se, because I would define a message as intentional communication, and intent requires an acting, conscious subject. I'm not saying LSD trips can't be meaningful; I'm saying that any meaning such a trip has is the result of the conscious subject interpreting the experience just as s/he interprets other experiences.

That said, there are certain elements of LSD trips that appear to be common to many different users, and some of these similarities lead many to the same general conclusions, although individual interpretations tend to vary quite a bit in the details. Many who have experienced an LSD trip agree that it challenges the conventional understanding of reality as an objective, rational external world that obeys knowable rules; however, there does not seem to be one consistent view within the psychadelic community regarding what new understanding of reality should be adopted to account for the experience. Individual theories range from talk about tapping into "true reality" to abandoning the notion of objective reality altogether in favour of a more subject-oriented understanding of existence.

Personally, I interpret the psychadelic experience as a radically subjective one that cannot be understood or defined in terms of external/objective forces and phenomena. Psychadelics break the normal subject-object relationship by allowing the subject (i.e., the user) to effective experience her own subjectivity. In other words, it allows us to break the mould of experiencing reality as an external 'thing' that we are interacting with and allows one to experience oneself directly. The content of the trip (visuals/distortions, bizarre thought patterns/epiphanies, 'divine moments of truth' and other difficult-to-explain experiences, etc.) comes not from an external reality, but from within one's own self. IME, this radical ontological departure from status quo reality is a wonderful tool in promoting critical thought in all areas of one's life; once the false assumptions that have previously informed one's actions and shaped one's world view have been shattered, one is free to apply the same sort of critical, analytic thinking that is used to 'fill in the gap' and thus integrate the psychadelic experience to other areas - social structures, religious doctrines, one's own psychology, etc.

Psychadelic experiences are wonderful, enigmatic and vary quite a bit from one another, so the above is far from the only way that they can enhance one's life, but 'breaking the ice' of blind acceptance of externally constructed norms and encouraging further critical thought is, IME, among the most common and most dramatic effects of psychadelic use.

Wow, this turned out to be a long post... Psychadelics + philosophy major = good times.
 
It's about our perception of reality. There is no message; we are the message.
 
For the last 3.5 years all I have had is salvia, which is utterly incredible if you like it and I do.
it has a very integrative effect for me.
a wee bit of lsd has appeared lately as well along with mushrooms which are just lovely things. - great for art and chatting and reflecting on life.
for lsd or mushroom you don't have to be quite as alert to observe the layered richness of things as they are.
all of these "gifts" are psychedelic which to me means more layers of mind coincide, and more mind means more spirit, hence, if you wish, "spiritual" applies.
 
I've never done LSD, but from what i've read, it does. It can help you change your life, my friend done it one time, and is now literally a different person. Different habits, better person at heart, etc. But not ever doing it, I wouldn't know. Someone send me some sunshine damnit!
 
I remember a thread just like this recently.
Is this part 2 or something?

anyway, LSD does not have an inherent message in and of itself. It will open your mind though to things you were not aware existed from which you could interpret a message.
i hope that makes sense.
 
zophen said:
^ Nice thanks you write beautiful stuff redgreenvnes why choose that name ???




zophenm

kept seeing the red and green vines when smoking salvia products.
spelled the name wrong (left out the 'i') while registering here, had a devil of a time signing in too.

love the train wreck.
 
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