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LSD's message?

zophen said:
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zophen
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you agree?

I realy wanna know, if I what Im experiencing is experienced by others, if so how far into "it" can you go?
 
when I say into "It" I mean how much can you embrase "it" without risk of schizophrenia? I know I am close every second, of me just closing my eyelids and BAM! "Life" viewed threw time and space have turned into this pole that is rolled around in gruves which plays out life....


FUCK Im insane!
 
zophen said:
Yeah I agree I see where you're coming from.





zophen
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to few people do so then.

I wanna dose the world, for one day, every person takes ?600? micrograms of LSD or 80mgs of DMT and flip the fuck out. I wonder how many would return to there view of reality, or if the shared reality would change accordingly.. makes me feel icky


but then there is the last thing, you seem pretty well experienced in deep psychedelia... what is that? the "it" we speak of. can you explain it to me in your own experience? like when "It" happends I usaly just "groove" with it but sometimes, when I realy freak mys elf out and start to dwell on it, would you suggest against this or is it like I say it is and just realy idea. I dont know if I can explain this correctly or not but mroe then likely you know what Im saying. its teh brink beyond teh brink!
 
the fact that people think these drugs have a message shows just how delusional they can make you. they are just chemicals which alter your perception, nothing more, nothing less. i'm not saying you can't learn anything from altering your perception but the notion that the drug has its own wishes and desires and messages is absurd.
 
allcityink said:
Users have different experiences but they all come together with the similiar message of appreciating whats around us in a new light. So you're sort of contradicitng yourself when you say that no drug carries a message, when really every drug does, considering they change our perspective on life.
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How is perspective change a message? Even if it were, it would be different for everyone, and totally ambiguous... from your own mind, not a message from the drug.

To each his own, and I'm not trying to be hostile. But when people start talking about this kind of thing (that a drug can somehow send you a defined message, specific to that drug) is when I start to think that the drugs have had a serious negative impact on their mental state.
 
The inanimate substance... communicates with you?

Maybe I'm just not getting it. This all sounds schizophrenic to me. I'll just leave it at that, I guess and not argue about it.
 
I'm not so sure that any drug itself, as a property of the chemical, carries a specific message. The drug itself is n ot sentient. But I think in my case it's a semantical issue, because I do believe that each one alters the state of our brains in such a way as to connect with certain aspects of the collective consciousness of existence. This explains, to me, the often eerie similarity between trips of different people across cultures, especially with certain chemicals (DMT, mushrooms, salvia, and datura come to mind). Each specific drug is a specific tool which "fine-tunes" our brains into certain "frequencies", to borrow words that have similar meaning for other situations.

What I do know is that our learned perception of reality is simply a defense mechanism, a way of coping with a raw mass of undifferentiated perception so that we can be successful organisms. it is far from the reality. Some people say that this belief is delusional, but I say that not believing it is unbelievably egocentric.
 
This explains, to me, the often eerie similarity between trips of different people across cultures, especially with certain chemicals (DMT, mushrooms, salvia, and datura come to mind). Each specific drug is a specific tool which "fine-tunes" our brains into certain "frequencies", to borrow words that have similar meaning for other situations.
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Yes eerie is the word, do you ever get connective experiences with others whilke triping I dont mean conversation type thing but awareness of others in the same realm.





zophen
 
Absolutely. I'm definitely not one to deny the existence of a collective consciousness and shared experience. In fact it's perhaps the most fascinating and exciting part of psychedelics, in my mind.
 
the seeker said:
the fact that people think these drugs have a message shows just how delusional they can make you. they are just chemicals which alter your perception, nothing more, nothing less. i'm not saying you can't learn anything from altering your perception but the notion that the drug has its own wishes and desires and messages is absurd.
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Since all aspects of consciousness are chemical in nature, saying you can't obtain a message from a drug is the same as saying you can't obtain a message from music, a book, art, etc.

The only thing delusional about this is the state of society we live in that questions and denies the sanctity of nature.
 
PsyGhost said:
Since all aspects of consciousness are chemical in nature, saying you can't obtain a message from a drug is the same as saying you can't obtain a message from music, a book, art, etc.

The only thing delusional about this is the state of society we live in that questions and denies the sanctity of nature.
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no its not the same because a books art and music are all designed. i can write a peice of music with the intent to express something (although some would argue against the idea that music is a form of communication because it can be interpretated so differently). however, when you start to see messages in random chemicals, that is nearing schizophrenia.
 
i have personally found that when taking lsd , the chemical alters your consiousness and may make you come to several realizations about all types of things. the first time i dropped cid it changed my life and the way i think forever and i dont regret it a single bit.

but to say there is a specific message inside of a drug makes no sense to me
 
the seeker said:
no its not the same because a books art and music are all designed. i can write a peice of music with the intent to express something (although some would argue against the idea that music is a form of communication because it can be interpretated so differently). however, when you start to see messages in random chemicals, that is nearing schizophrenia.
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So, if a person takes some drugs, for example, LSD, is influenced by the experience in some way that it takes full precidence in his or her musical direction and composes some song because of it, and you then listen to that song and enjoy it so much that you believe you have taken some message or value from it, then are you not only reacting indirectly to a psychoactive experience from someone else?

I might obtain some message or thought or value or idea from watching a sunset or sitting in a contemplative mood deep in a forest. The environment around me is stimulating my thoughts, with no need of direct chemical interaction, and yet it is easy to say that I can be influenced by my surroundings. If so, direct chemical interaction is even more obvious as having the ability to give messages or influence thoughts.
 
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