lsd weekly for anxiety

[drink]

Hello bluelighters, I was hoping some of you could help me. Swim has recently gain access to a steady supply of lsd blotters. This blotters have been tested and are in the range of 130-140ug per tab. Now swim has issues with anxiety and becoming "locked on" to trivial matters but since swim has started dosing weekly his anxiety has diminished greatly. So swim is wondering if anyone else had this side effect. Also swim would to know if there is any long term side effects swim should be concerned about, if he keeps doseing weekly. Swim average dose is 2.5 tabs. Thank you

 

[Toz]

I think this has a great potential to backfire one day. LSD is very unpredictable in my experience.

 

[drink]

By "backfire" do you mean like a bad trip or something else ?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

A bad trip or uncomfortable experience which could leave you with near crippling anxiety.
It has happened and could happen to you too.
As well when used weekly LSD tends to lose its luster and beauty.

 

[drink]

Are you saying a bad trip could cause long term anxiety?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

That is exactly what I'm saying, and I'm not saying it with any doubt.
Stick around these forums or do some searching through past threads and you will find plenty of people who have had lasting anxiety or depression from psychedelic trips and the inability to integrate their experiences, I'm not saying it will happen to you, I'm just saying that I it may and I don't think this classifies as proper use for psychedelics; the experience is far to unpredictable to be able to be used reliably.

 

[phantomcosmonaut]

I don't think that the whole backfiring thing is plausible. It is possible though.
I have taken general psychedelics weekly, and yes it did help immensely with my anxiety. Not just that but with my entire understanding of life itself and my being. You can't just take it and expect it to happen though, you need to reflect during or after the trip for any real help. I have had bad trips occur during that time period and it did not cause anything to backfire. I had a complete psychotic episode once (not just a "bad trip") and that still didn't make anything worse. Go for it dude!

 

[Reverend Random]

Have you tried dosing very low and experimented with how your anxiety reacts to that? Might prove helpful. There's a big and dandy on the values of low doses of psychedelics, but I can't seem to find it. I would also think that dosing this high on a weekly basis is not a very sustainable and long-term option, if only because you need time to integrate what you've learned from your experiences (assuming they're beneficial to you) and you're not really giving yourself that time when taking it every week.

It would at least be interesting to see what very low dosages of LSD do to your anxiety. In the long run, my guess would be that training yourself in techniques that psychedelics help you with (I don't what they are, but something like being more in the present you can learn without psychedelics as well) could be a solution as well.

Go out and experiment with different dosages. I for one would be curious to know what works and what works less well. Good luck to ya!

 

[Solipsis]

Anxiety is one of those things that can be affected or caused by self-reinforcing patterns / downward or upward spirals / vicious circles, and LSD has the ability to catalyze thought processes (rational, emotional and spiritual modalities of the mind) but that can go in either direction. You can heal yourself or fuck yourself up with psychedelics like LSD. Having the occasional therapeutic psychedelic session with a guide to work through things is one thing, it would be relatively isolated and the guide can help reinforcing upward or positive spirals and thought processes (which are sometimes looped due to feedback via signal transduction), while avoiding to feed negatives.

So yes I at least with at the very least the potential or plausibility of your plan backfiring if you trip weekly for the maintenance of your anxiolysis. I'm not saying you can surely expect it to happen sooner or later, keeping your intentions straight and a passive but preferably experienced sitter on hand and the dose low everytime, with appropriate medications for emergencies are all ways to prevent catastrophe. But it is definitely worth considering that psychedelics which by definition manifest the contents of the mind without bias or consistent direction can inadvertently catalyze thought patterns and emotions you want to avoid. And if you try to run away from that for example, you are typically bound to be confronted with it that much more. Sure there might be resolution in that confrontation, but do you want to operate under the assumption that you find those solutions?

Depending on what the nature of your anxiety is, it may respond better to therapy or if there is a strong biological component it might respond best to medications that have a more predictable mode of action (although a lot of anxiolytics can occasionally cause a paradoxical reaction).

Just be careful what you wish for and go one step at a time if you want to go somewhere with your LSD use.

@RR:
was it this one: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/266623-LSD-Subthread-The-Low-Dose-LSD-Appreciation-Thread ?
(To be found via the Big & Dandy LSD thread)

 

[EarthBounded]

Your going to make things worse for yourself, weekly LSD use can and will probably lead to some mental problems down the road. Your better off taking a one month break and dosing higher amounts with longer times in between trips if you really think LSD can treat your anxiety... Unless LSD is used for end of life therapy or cluster headaches, there is absolutely no reason to dose more than once a month.

You are playing with fire my friend, good luck hope ya get better.

Have you tried dosing very low and experimented with how your anxiety reacts to that? Might prove helpful. There's a big and dandy on the values of low doses of psychedelics, but I can't seem to find it.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/266623-The-Low-Dose-LSD-Appreciation-Thread

OP just be careful

 

[Toz]

In my experience, even if it doesn't backfire in terms of a bad trip (which can cause anxiety lasting for years, it happened to me at least) using psychedelics and/or dissociatives regularly can cause depersonalization/derealization and just make you generally wacky after a while. I'm not saying it has to happen, but the more often you do them the higher the probabilty is it will happen at some point.

 

[EarthBounded]

using psychedelics and/or dissociatives regularly can cause depersonalization/derealization and just make you generally wacky after a while.

This

 

[drink]

Thank you so much for your responses. Swim might try dosing only once every two week. LSD so far has been an amazing tool for opening swim eyes and letting swim see his true self without swim's ego distorting his view. This new found insight has allowed swim to start working towards the person swim wants to become. Swim has tried many medications to help with his anxiety and found that the side effects far out weigh the benefits. So far swim has found that LSD is much easier to control than other psychedelic. Swim feel like a bad trip on lsd would be fairly mild compared to other psy like mushrooms. Swim once had a bad trip on 7 grams of mushrooms that caused him to stop doing all drugs for 3 years. Swim knows that LSD is a beautiful drug that deserves A lot of respect but swim feels that dosing at least twice a month will help him become a better person.

 

[Solipsis]

Good luck and be careful.

I agree that chronic frequent use of LSD can make you 'wacky'. In my case I became too open-minded. Yes that is possible, it is healthy to criticize ideas if there is enough reason for that. Learn about skepticism and apply it freely to your ideas.

Don't say swim, it's against the rules (you may want to read them, check the link below in my signature).

 

[jason7]

Funny that some forums still make you use that SWIM thing. Gee I wonder if the cops have managed to crack the code yet? What could SWIM possibly mean? Wait a minute, what if we remove all the consonants, the S the W and the M? Hey Chief, come look at this! It all makes sense now.

Regarding the use of LSD for anxiety, I hadn't heard of it having that effect but who knows, maybe it does with your particular body chemistry. Something else you could try for anxiety is a combination of the amino acids Lysine and arginine.

The aim of the present study was to evaluate possible modulatory effect of the treatment with L-lysine and L-arginine on neuroendocrine activation during psychosocial stress in healthy subjects with relatively high trait anxiety in a randomized, double blind placebo controlled trial. In 29 healthy subjects at the upper limit of the normal range of a trait anxiety scale, a mixture of L-lysine and L-arginine (3 g each/day) was administered for 10 days followed by exposure to a psychosocial stress procedure based on public speech. Hormone levels, cardiovascular activation and skin conductance were measured. Amino acid treatment resulted in enhanced adrenocorticotropic hormone, cortisol, adrenaline and noradrenaline levels and galvanic skin responses during stress compared to those in placebo-treated group. Increases in the heart rate and blood pressure in response to public speaking task were not influenced by amino acid treatment. Results of the present study support the hypothesis that L-lysine in combination with L-arginine, which may induce anxiolytic effects, modify hormonal responses during psychosocial stress in humans. Such action may represent a normalization of hormone levels to the pattern observed previously in subjects with low trait anxiety. source

 

[Solipsis]

3 grams a day? That sounds expensive. And I am not reading how big the improvement is.
My mirtazapine helps out a bit with my anxiety.
Other than that I've had good results with phenibut for some kinds of anxiety but not others. Also one needs to look out with habituation, but that goes for most GABAergics.

 

[bennyZA]

Is it just me, or does treating anxiety with LSD seem like a terrible idea, no matter how you rationalize it with science. LSD isn't exactly something you play games with, period.

 

[Toz]

I don't think the idea is all wrong, just the execution of it. If you are going to use LSD to combat your fears/anxiety it should be done with one single dose in a therapeutic setting.

 

[Solipsis]

Is it just me, or does treating anxiety with LSD seem like a terrible idea, no matter how you rationalize it with science. LSD isn't exactly something you play games with, period.

While I have my doubts, this is not like playing games. LSD can have therapeutic value, especially at low doses where it is hardly trippy. If it seems like a terrible idea to you then at least share some properly explained reasons with us, otherwise it's not helpful at all and just seems kinda biased.

I don't think the idea is all wrong, just the execution of it. If you are going to use LSD to combat your fears/anxiety it should be done with one single dose in a therapeutic setting.

Combating your fears is quite different from anxiety IMO, well there are different sorts of roots for both anxiety and fears but if there is a particular things you are afraid of then you can try to face those fears and overcome them.
Anxiety is something that can come from a factor you can find out about do so something about, or find out about but unable to change. Or the third option: it is very common for people to get anxiety but it is often FAR from obvious what the reason for it is. LSD could help release and reset some fixations and hangups but sooner or later that anxiety is likely to come creeping back.

I agree about the therapeutic setting, but with one single dose I think you are being a bit optimistic... that is to say unrealistic.

 

[kidklmx]

Not sure about the single dose aspect, think it depends on what seems to cause the anxiety, but you're very much right on the therapeutic part. Taking a psychedelic that often without any sort of guidance is a short road to insanity. You'll lock on to matters that are even more trivial because they bare no relation to your waking life, yet their importance will feel much greater. Not really something you want to be messing with if you have issues with anxiety.

Solipsis: Though isn't a lot of the fear people have a fear of death? In such cases an obliteration of the soul might be just what someone needs. There's probably more use cases for psychedelic therapy, but my brain seems to be locking up. At any rate, both sides achieve different things