LSD visuals vs 5-meo-amt visuals

[Opus]

In this recent thread, there was a certain comment which had me questioning my ability to distinguish LSD from 5-meo-amt

You don't get CEV's that have the intensity, and the LSD type of psychedelic mindset hardly gets going with 5-methoxyAMT. Rather than having crisp OEV, they tend to blur into each other, like a time-exposure photograph, but in real time.

there have been times where i had blotters which I believed were certainly LSD (after sampling them), yet the visuals were quite blurred and would warp frequently, crossing and blending with another visual's form. The mindstate was still fairly deeply engrossed, while 5-meo-amt is usually described as inducing a more grounded/"normal" thought process. However, the times this has occured I believe I ate several hits (probably 3 each time), so this could be attributed to a high does of 5-meo-amt maybe.

Another nature of visual effect i sometimes experience (most notably on the same trips which were blurred as above) is a kind of reduction in the amount of frames my eyes pick up, resulting in patterns growing and whatnot in a very shakey manner. Almost akin to a time-lapse film, and the way which a flower would be perceived to grow in such (making edgy movements and sudden instantanious shifts in size and shape).

THE QUESTIONS???
Has anyone experienced the time exposusure photograph quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?
Is 3 blotters of 5-meo-amt blotter commonly a large dose? And would a large dose of 5-meo-amt lead to a very intense headspace?
Has anyone experienced the time-lapse film quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?

I realise i may be jumping around with a few differant concepts here, and may not have even explained them accurately 8( so if you need things clarified just ask.

THANKS FOLK!

 

[bluedolphin]

If your blotters tasted normal (like, no taste or just a bit bitter, not something to make you want to gag) it was probably LSD.

Also its impossible to know, if it was 5-meo-AMT, how much was put on each blotter. So 3 blotters is *probably* a big dose but who knows.

I have had completely different visual experiences on LSD. Never like what you described, but I certainly wouldn't put it past good old LSD to give visuals like that. And keep in mind that every person has their own visual tendencies... like you will tend to notice the same kind of movement/patterns across a range of psychedelic drugs.

 

[VertexShader]

5-meo-amt is full of motion blur and movement. Thought process isn't changed. Lasts 8-12 hours on one bitter hit.

 

[trypx]

Im my opinion CEV with 5meoamt is more singular color based. I did a 6 mg dose last time and when id close my eyes everything was green. Green faces and eyes and some tubular objects...with lsd which i havent done in a year..the cev were like webs and swirls and flying like a roller coaster of colors. However open eyed visuals 5meoamt is on a even playing field imho.

 

[zaggy]

Last Summer I got what I thought to be LSD at the park, and to my novice eye there was nothing peculiar about the blotters. I found recently that these bigger than usual white-on-white blotters were in fact 5-MeO-AMT. Since then I have tripped on 100% real, quality LSD blotters, and they are drastically different.

In my opinion, 5-MeO-AMT is a horrid drug. It's barely been researched, and is in a neurotoxic class of drugs. Thinking it was LSD, I tripped twice within a week, and the effects burdened me for well over three months, to the point where I was getting persistent hallucinations and was actually considering getting tested for bipolar disorder.

Anyways, each time I took 5-MeO-AMT, I dosed with one blotter, and probably got the most intense, insane trips on any psychedelic besides Salvia. As a report said on Erowid, I would definitely describe it as "Mushroom Crack."

First experience:
I went to a planetarium, consumed it about 3 hours before the show. Smoked a decent amount of potent weed on the come up. Was high as fuck in the show, but it didn't fully kick until about 30 minutes after. We walked down to a spot to smoke more (I didn't smoke), and the sky was slightly rainbow. We heard a weird noise, and my friends said jokingly that the world was ending. I almost believed it but I didn't even care. It kicked right when I saw a mosaic of the alphabet spilled out all over the ground, causing me to get on all fours and touch the ground, shocked. I was sooooo madly fucked up. Very input sensitive. Felt like my brain was hanging by a thread. We started walking to the star gazing area, and I'm seeing imagery across the whole entire sky, like a mother caressing a baby, with warm colors surrounding. It got realllly fucking intense when the bricks making up the brick ground starting levitating fucking out of the ground, into the air, glowing blue, and bending. All fences around me were melting. Mind you, I was in an area with 20+ people at a Space and Science Center with my friends. On the comedown, I felt very "fried out" and input sensitive and overall shocked at the intensity of the experience.

Second experience:
I thought of everything I perceived in terms of mathematics and physics. I experienced strong synesthesia. I felt the whole spectrum of purple as it was fluidly moving, outside my window, consuming everything outside. I still distinctly remember how it feels. Its fucking crazy cool. I also tasted the yellow in the paint in the bathroom. I remember how it tastes. Colors don't taste or feel like anything preconceived, they feel like purple and taste like yellow. You have to find out for yourself. There were intricate patterns whittled into the white wooden walls all over my room. There were tribal "tattoos" on my brother's face. Time did not exist. The most interesting thing, however, was time delayed tracers. I would move my arms, and tons of tracers would follow it– about 2 seconds after I made the movement. So I could move my arm, look the other way, look back, and see waves of my arm doing the exact same movement 2 seconds later with my arm down. This remained constant of all my movement throughout the whole trip. I was also saying some weird shit, calling my brother a "mortal" as if I was some invincible being. On the comedown, I was getting auditory hallucinations. This annoying ass alien hum was bending pitch and constantly getting louder as I was trying to wind down.

Day after each trip I felt very "fried out."

The difference between LSD? I find LSD to be alot nicer. It is more serene, beautiful, and projects my natural mind at its purest state. I can get vast amounts of insight (I use it every now and then in conjunction with my normal mindfulness meditative and contemplative practices, and deep thinking), it is not as intense and overbearing, and certainly does not fry you out.

To specifically answer the question about the difference between visuals:
LSD is more serene, things are more stationary, and more beautiful in a sense. 5-MeO-AMT also lacks alot of CEVs, whereas LSD has very intricate fractal, moving, oceanic CEVs.

5-MeO-AMT, alot of things are constantly moving, "waves" or "tracers" are a signature part of it, but the visuals aren't the main distinction!

My point is, you'll be able to distinct the drugs with the feeling rather than the visuals (though the visuals are very different). 5-Meo-AMT feels very synthetic in an obvious way, and the high is superficial. There is no oceanic connectedness with everything, experienced on LSD.

Also, there is just an element to 5-MeO-AMT that makes it just so cracked out.

Sorry I just woke up, my mind isn't very organized yet so I'm going to answer your questions in order one last time.

Has anyone experienced the time exposusure photograph quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?
No!

Is 3 blotters of 5-meo-amt blotter commonly a large dose? And would a large dose of 5-meo-amt lead to a very intense headspace?
Depends on how much was in each blotter, you can't dose in "blotters". 5-MeO-AMT is a very intense headspace in itself! And be careful, you don't want to overdose on this stuff! Toxic overdose on a psychedelic must be the most hellish experience imaginable, not wished upon your worst enemies!

Has anyone experienced the time-lapse film quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?
Nope! Time exposure quality has been exclusively 5-MeO-AMT for me!

If you choose to do it, be safe! That shit fucked with my brain!

 

[killo]

5-meo-amt is full of motion blur and movement. Thought process isn't changed. Lasts 8-12 hours on one bitter hit.

Yea exactly. One time I got some mystery hits and yea the visuals were nice and interesting but didn't have the LSD character to them. They were less creative and changing and more "static" and BLUR is a good way to describe it. It's totally insane, on a high dose I thought I was oding on a psychedelic. Shit was so hectic.

 

[The Smoking Man]

Has anyone experienced the time exposusure photograph quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?
No!

Has anyone experienced the time-lapse film quality of visuals after consuming what they KNEW to be LSD?
Nope! Time exposure quality has been exclusively 5-MeO-AMT for me!

I've gotten some strong tracers/motion blur when I've done L. I always got 1/2 cm^2 white on white blotters, I don't think you could very easily fit a substance much less potent than LSD by weight on tabs that small.

 

[zaggy]

I've gotten some strong tracers/motion blur when I've done L. I always got 1/2 cm^2 white on white blotters, I don't think you could very easily fit a substance much less potent than LSD by weight on tabs that small.

How many did you take? I'm not good at visualizing 1 x 1 cm but check out the Wiki article on 5-MeO-AMT, it has a picture of some blotters.

Either way, if anything, the drugs differentiate more by feeling rather than visuals. I've never gotten time delayed tracers, or any 5-MeO-AMT characteristics on LSD. And I don't think I'll be getting them in a couple of hours.

5-MeO-AMT fries the hell outta your brain and has a very intense superficial high. Others can usually tell the next day.

 

[The Smoking Man]

How many did you take? I'm not good at visualizing 1 x 1 cm but check out the Wiki article on 5-MeO-AMT, it has a picture of some blotters.

Either way, if anything, the drugs differentiate more by feeling rather than visuals. I've never gotten time delayed tracers, or any 5-MeO-AMT characteristics on LSD. And I don't think I'll be getting them in a couple of hours.

5-MeO-AMT fries the hell outta your brain and has a very intense superficial high. Others can usually tell the next day.

I've only done it 3 times so far, taking 2 tabs each time. (The availability around here is kinda dry or else I'd go gonzo.) The strength varied from very weak to "WHAT THE FUCK TIME IS GOING BACKWARDS". The anecdotal reports of 5-MeO-AMT sound like it's a brain meltdown, which isn't what any of the L felt like to me, though I did zone out while on what were by far the strongest of the tabs I've had and slipped into time-nonlinearness/oh,-so-that's-what-they-built-the-universe-with mode. And I didn't feel burnt out the next day.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Never saw anything wrong with the visuals on 5meo-amt, it was the projectile vomiting I didn't like.

 

[zaggy]

I've only done it 3 times so far, taking 2 tabs each time. (The availability around here is kinda dry or else I'd go gonzo.) The strength varied from very weak to "WHAT THE FUCK TIME IS GOING BACKWARDS". The anecdotal reports of 5-MeO-AMT sound like it's a brain meltdown, which isn't what any of the L felt like to me, though I did zone out while on what were by far the strongest of the tabs I've had and slipped into time-nonlinearness/oh,-so-that's-what-they-built-the-universe-with mode. And I didn't feel burnt out the next day.

Sounds like you're getting some good tabs! Treat em good.

Man. Yesterday. 2 blotters. High quality. I learned that when your ego dissolves along with all existing concepts, its really hard to order a piece of pizza. Not only that, something else remarkable happened. I feel it would go way off topic to extend on that.

No motion blur visuals like 5-MeO-AMT. I find LSD to be not as colorful, but more elaborate. This was my first time tripping during the daytime. But I tend to get detailed patterns on everything, and colors projecting off of things. Also an intense mental high. I like night tripping better, I didn't get as many amazing visuals during the day.