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LSD-Possible to free base?

FrostyMcFailure

FrostyMcFailure

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Does anyone know if its possible to freebase LSD somehow perhaps a method that doesnt involve heat? Im down for answers involving complex or extremely high tech equipment. Even methods no one really has access to or can preform; more so a theoretical thing, Thanks.
 
ive heard of the dead family layers laying LSD on blotter and tripping off the fumes in hotel rooms. thats kinda freebasing.

one could use an aerosol can...
 
You need to clarify a bit- what exactly to you mean by 'freebase'- it sounds like you're talking about vaporising a freebase, not 'freebasing' which is quite simple and doesn't require added heat.

Is most LSD on blotter a salt or freebase? I assume salt, but I really have no idea, I don't think I've ever read anything about that.
 
^ I'm sure that it is the salt - most likely because it's probably more stable and easily dilutable (if that's a word) in water. That way distributors can dip the blotter papers in the solution to get the active doses on each paper maybe?
 
im sure some of you are familiar with how you free the base of the crack cocaine molecule by freeing the base of the cocaine or what not making its vapor point much lower (and most importantly smokable). Im asking if their is any known method imaginable to some how make straight up crystal LSD in a smoke able form similar to crack cocaine to a slight extent but no where near as far as effects go, anyone follow?

I would rather oral or inject LSD then smoke it personally but its not about using as stated before just a hypothetical possibility.
 
^ I'm sure it is possible, just use a strong enough base to pull the proton off the salt form of the LSD and you have the neutral form of the molecule. But the reason you probably never see this is because LSD is not only a somewhat unstable molecule, but active in teeny tiny doses which effectively renders dosing next to impossible. I would guess the major reason being that LSD in its neutral form is too unstable to be kept active for any amount of time though...
 
heat destroys its ass along with light and sometimes even air over time, it is fairly unstable hence its delicate nature. THanks IP, thats the sorta thing i was looking for.
 
the instability of LSD just to heat is a bit of a myth, there are analytical methods for LSD that employ gas chromatography, and that involves temperatures greater than 150oC albeit for a short time, 5-10 minutes.

the LSD around is almost always the tartarate salt though sometimes it is the maleate salt. of course there are freebase forms. please just read Tikhal.

there really is no point trying to freebase it to consume it by smoking when it is so active and rapid orally, and it avoids a lot of first pass metabolism with the oral route as it is absorbed sublingually.

this is hardly advanced.
 
Why in god's name would one try to "smoke" LSD? If a sublingual dose isn't doing anything for you, then chances are you just have some degraded, less than pure acid. In that case, just up the dose until you get an effect.

Also, LSD is a very sensitive molecule and hates basic conditions; acid is always more stable in, well, acid.
 
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I've read that the maleate salt is more stable than the tartrate, but I have no reference for that.

LSD<->iso-LSD when hot, basic or in the precence of many other things. Light produces lumi-LSD.

I can find no references to commercial testing using high temperatures. I mean, they don't use flash chromatography for it....
 
haribo1 said:
I can find no references to commercial testing using high temperatures. I mean, they don't use flash chromatography for it....
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er haribo what do you think flash chromatography is exactly???
the answer in case you are struggling is:
it is liquid chromatography carried out under pressure. either positive on top or negative below.

look in the literature for forensic analytical techniques for LSD and you will find several methods employing GC-FID.
 
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immaturepoop said:
Same idea applies to safrole <---> iso-safrole if I remember correctly... that darn pi bond just loves being lower in energy, huh? :-o
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isoLSD---LSD is not really the same as isosafrole---safrole, it is the inversion of configuration at the 8 position (the carboxylamide vs the hydrogen).
 
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