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LSD: Never again?

I do hope that now, having been through a bad trip, if I ever saw myself headed that way again, I could at least reassure myself with the knowledge that I've come out the other side unscathed before - I'm sure even that would be enough to help turn things around.
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It is. My last experience on mushrooms was pretty hairy, but if it had been my first time, I would have freaked right the hell out. That time, I simply told myself that no matter how bad it was, it would be over soon because I'd pulled through much worse psychedelic nightmares. I think if the same thing happened again, I could probably one-up myself again, and turn it around into a good trip.

I wouldn't worry about the people telling you it was an RC, it really doesn't sound like it to me. Some people just have that kind of reaction to acid, or are otherwise sensitive to it. One of my friends never trips on more than half a tab and that's plenty for him. The first time, he took two hits. He was in a mental hospital for six months.
 
Flickering said:
The first time, he took two hits. He was in a mental hospital for six months.
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Wow. A lot of people recommend large doses for first trips, to make the first trip something really special - in light of events like the above, it really pays to start cautiously.


Also, people that have frustrating trips have to understand that good and bad trips exist in a mutually-interdependent duality. One defines the other. In fact, my best trips usually start out very darkly, full of negativity, and I'm resisting the negativity - but then, once I accept and embrace the negativity, everything turns around.
 
Flickering said:
It is. My last experience on mushrooms was pretty hairy, but if it had been my first time, I would have freaked right the hell out. That time, I simply told myself that no matter how bad it was, it would be over soon because I'd pulled through much worse psychedelic nightmares. I think if the same thing happened again, I could probably one-up myself again, and turn it around into a good trip.

I wouldn't worry about the people telling you it was an RC, it really doesn't sound like it to me. Some people just have that kind of reaction to acid, or are otherwise sensitive to it. One of my friends never trips on more than half a tab and that's plenty for him. The first time, he took two hits. He was in a mental hospital for six months.
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TBH it sounds like your friend should just never trip. That's not a normal reaction.
 
Psh bad trips don't exist;If you can't even handle cannabis why endure a 8-12hr trip? I hate when people give LSD a bad rep, face your fears or drown in tears.
 
Some people aren't as resilient as you, man; no judgment necessary.

And anyway, sometimes a "bad trip" isn't just having scary thoughts, it's a valueless torrent of physical side effects which are just distracting and unpleasant.
 
A bad trip is not as self-evidently defined as you make it seem ^^ what it means to you exactly can differ subtly or hugely from what others think of it. So I think blanket statements like that are less than unhelpful. Have some nuance and join the discussion in the 'Big & Dandy Bad Trip Thread' and subthreads if you think you have something intelligent to say about it.

Regarding questions such as what this thread is based on / the OP, it can be hard for others to decide for you what to do and in principle this forum is against placing such decisions in the hands of others. Even possible advice is limited.

I guess you first would need to figure out a bit better if what happened to you was mostly because of mindset or because of setting. (Check this B&D Set & Setting Thread!)

If it is because of mindset then maybe you need to develop some things more in life before tripping more, or you are just not cut out for it (for example people who are on the hysterical side may be better off avoiding psychedelics, if I can generalize for a second). Or there are ways to prepare yourself better for a trip (we also have a megathread for trip preparations), check the Psychedelic Index for more related threads. The set may include choosing another psychedelic to see if LSD approaches psychedelia in a way you don't really like or tolerate well.
Bringing us to the setting: if the situation was just not right for you, then this requires attention if you want to trip again. IMO it sounds like the setting was wrong at the festival like I said before.
Or rather than something being plain wrong it can also be that there was a mismatch between dose, or the drug, and the event. For some applications or activities a different dose is better compared to other ones.

Don't get hung up too much on what went wrong, it might be locked inside memories or you might not be able to solve that riddle, but instead you can just give it some time before you try again, meanwhile reading up on all these aspects and doing a lot of research using trip reports and sites like these and Erowid... EB has suggested something similar and I'd agree (although the history of LSD is not really that necessary IMO. That would mostly shape expectations, I find it better to just let it be what it is, not what others have been saying it is for decades).
 
I'm not trying to judge anyone, just trying to state the fact that this mindset of "bad trips" is just psychological. It's all a learning experience in the end especially if you break ego;Not reading up on what you put in your body is foolish tho.
 
Well yea I think that is a syndrome beginning trippers tend to have and I had it too. When I just started it seemed to me like a bad trip was something that happens to you rather than something you help create yourself. And if you don't realize you are doing it to yourself it can also be hard to realize that you have the power to fix it. Though when you start realizing that you can control it all (well that is putting it strongly... you can certainly influence a LOT tho), that can also be tricky because the cliche 'with great power comes great responsibility' starts to apply. I distinctly remember that at one time my tripping mind felt like a big spaceship I had to learn to pilot on the fly :D (no pun intented)

These are natural stages in the development of a tripper and part of it can hardly be avoided (and it is probably healthy if you have a difficult experience every now and then, you learn from them like you said, THC).

But... it did not really seem to me like the kind of thread where everyone is having this static bad trip tunnel vision. Maybe I'm missing something.
 
TetraHydroCan said:
I'm not trying to judge anyone, just trying to state the fact that this mindset of "bad trips" is just psychological. It's all a learning experience in the end especially if you break ego;Not reading up on what you put in your body is foolish tho.
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I find this to be completely wrong. All of my BAD trips were due to outside factors beyond my control. I can deal with my emotions just fine, but when there is gut-wrenching noise going on constantly for hours while you're peaking on ~300ug of LSD is going to cause some bad feelings no matter how resilient you are.


I've had difficult trips due to my emotions.. there are some trials, but it's nothing serious.



Then I've had (a) trip that was so undeniably horrible that I NEEDED to go to the hospital for an IM injection of anti-psychotics. The two have nothing in common, don't make the mistake of calling a "difficult" trip "bad".
 
TetraHydroCan said:
Psh bad trips don't exist;If you can't even handle cannabis why endure a 8-12hr trip? I hate when people give LSD a bad rep, face your fears or drown in tears.
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I'd hope that everything I've said so far indicates that I'm not trying to give LSD a bad rep and instead I'm trying to work out if I 'can't handle' it? Additionally, while I'm sorry that I found it very difficult, I don't think my experience was without value. There were parts that were very eye-opening, the first few hours were great, and it instilled in me a huge amount of respect for the drug and hopefully that means a flippant attitude about it will never catch me off-guard.

Like IamMe90 mentioned, the physical side effects were very unpleasant for me and I don't think that's something I could've made for myself or could've taken any control over.

I appreciate that no one can tell me whether to try it again or not, but all the feedback so far has certainly made me think about this from new angles and hopefully when it comes time for me to make that decision, I'll be in a confident position to do so - regardless of whether it's 'yes' or 'no'.
 
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I'd hope that everything I've said so far indicates that I'm not trying to give LSD a bad rep and instead I'm trying to work out if I 'can't handle' it? Additionally, while I'm sorry that I found it very difficult, I don't think my experience was without value. There were parts that were very eye-opening, the first few hours were great, and it instilled in me a huge amount of respect for the drug and hopefully that means a flippant attitude about it will never catch me off-guard.

Like IamMe90 mentioned, the physical side effects were very unpleasant for me and I don't think that's something I could've made for myself or could've taken any control over.

I appreciate that no one can tell me whether to try it again or not, but all the feedback so far has certainly made me think about this from new angles and hopefully when it comes time for me to make that decision, I'll be in a confident position to do so - regardless of whether it's 'yes' or 'no'.
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I dont think anyone thinks your giving LSD a bad rep, I would say you are smart for using this forum.
 
TetraHydroCan said:
Psh bad trips don't exist;If you can't even handle cannabis why endure a 8-12hr trip? I hate when people give LSD a bad rep, face your fears or drown in tears.
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Nonsense. It isn't a 'face your fear/drown in tear' shit when someone is having a panic attack on acid. It might not be something you've experienced personally but bad trips most definitely can happen. However, it's often due to poor preparation or throwing yourself into bad scenarios alongside ridiculous combinations of drugs. Dose a few people who've never tripped before a good solid 200-300ug and see how they handle it. I've seen plenty who love it, but also plenty who loose their shit. I like the whole 'bad trips don't exist' idea but while I haven't had a serious bad trip in a while I did a few times when I was younger. I find though as I grow older acid is a lot easier, just like various situations are much easier to handle now.
 
Well, there's obviously a difference between a bad trip and an emotional one. An emotional trip is much like TetraHydroCan says, it's not a bad experience per se and there's def. something to learn from. Then there is a bad experience like OP has had, which can be caused by many things, but is something that can just happen. The 2 are just very different, and I can surely understand that someone might think a bad trip doesn't exist (it's a great psychological shield too:p)
 
Combining with other drugs when you've already had a bad experience can be a bit risky, but in my personal experience I like using other mood-lifting psychedelics with LSD, in particular MXE and MDMA.
 
Yes... but you like those combo's not because they fixed a difficult trip for you right?

Also, I assume you mean MXE or MDMA not MXE and MDMA?
 
I've never used them to fix a bad trip that is already occurring but I believe they reduce the instances and severity if used as a preventative measure. I would not recommend combining MXE and MDMA.
 
I've always preferred to trip with enough small doses (.5-1 mg) of alprazolam to go around for everyone in my party, just in case something bad happens. I think that the option of the "abort trip" button alone has been enough to keep everybody from having a truly terrible time, as I've never actually had to use it. When an individual was having a bad time, and xanax was offered, most people decided they would rather ride it out and see if things got good than simply abort their trip, and inevitably they did turn their trips around for the better.

I am extremely reluctant to trip without some kind of drug that can, at the very least, calm me or anybody else experiencing panic down.
 
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