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LSD/MDMA - Various Exp - My account of drug induce psychosis

bikki_muncher69

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I thought a few of you would be interested in this story, as many of the guru's includeing raja ram say that psychosis is one of my most profound revalations to the true nature of reality, this is definatly an account of that. Enjoy reading i hope after this you will treat drugs especially psychedelics as tools rather than just "drugs" pre plan your trips and account for most variables that could cause somthing to go wrong not just the obvious. Thanks and I hope you enjoy the read as its taken me a while to get over it and get it down in text form.


A little bit of background, I’ve been using psychedelics mainly LSD for about a year now and about march this year I had my first real psychotic break, in my family there is a history of schizophrenia which has causes me to have less mental protection than say other people. The first time I had psychosis I went to a big psychedelic day festival where raja ram from 1200 mic's was playing, I dosed about 250 mic's before I met up with my friends which was a very bad idea, when I finally met up with my friends I was spiritually disconnected from them all, even good people I was friends with that I saw there I could not talk to because it was like they or I was on a totally different level, I was not going with the flow at all and my awareness was too much for my human mind to handle just a totally cosmic event, but I know I put myself in that position because "I wanted to know more" I could not interact with the party I could only just watch as an observer.

Because I did not go with friends I discovered that friends are so important to start and end the trip with as they give your grounding I saw the force field around the groups of people that kept them protected it was a yellow colour which leads me to think it was energy associated with the 3rd chakra, the reason I did not have any connection with my friends was because I was blasted up into space, I actually had my angels trying to "wake me up" but I could not understand the situation and I did not know how to control my energies but one thing I got from everyone later that night, when I looked at them, they looked back at me with the utmost respect as if to say, wow your really going through a difficult one. I partied till about 2am went home and was unable to sleep and well into the next day I was still tripping and I could feel as though my root chakra was lost, funny thing was that my cat tried to ground me by sleeping in that area and I could feel the energy coming through him into me reconnecting me but I freaked out I gave into fear. I was also searching for god and god showed me he existed but in order to do that he had to put me in a situation where I was void from light and love whereas we are normally always connected to the light and love. We'll I went to my parents work crying freaking out so they took me to hospital I spent 3 days there and recovered.


About 3 months after that episode I got drunk and stoned and ended up having LSD again but this time I was with a friend and was able to control the fear, I went to a club I used to go to all the time and it was a very cosmic experience and I had some idea what was happening to me so I didn’t freak out, but when I got back to my house with my friend, my friend was talking to me saying stuff like "so how would you like to end up this way forever ect..." and I'm positive this was another entity talking through him as this was the first time my friend had had psychedelics and he had a decent first timer dose, he can also confirm he wasn’t in his body when this conversation occurred but everything went back to normal and I "landed" correctly I could see the protective coating of my mind coming back like a force field and it all came back at the second after 12 hours since id taken the acid I could pinpoint it that close.

The 2nd psychosis I had which was the worse was due to MDMA, I did something similar that I did the first time I went psychotic, which was taking the pill I got before I met up with friends, when I met up with my friend I was on his level for a little while and dancing having a good time but then things started to get weird, I lost connection from my friend and in the club I started to go against the flow again, when I stopped dancing the music would go shitty and everything would be out of tune and the club wouldn’t be having a very good time but when I danced everyone would start cheering the music would go awesome, this was just too much, I thought I need to go home, so I caught a cab home but something about that was very wrong.

When I went to catch the cab there was this kid in the cab with a very fucked up look on his face, and when I went to get into the cab he opened his door to get out as he was going to let me take that cab instead and it was like if I moved back the door would shut and he would get back in it but if I moved fwd it would open again so I thought hey this is only reality ill be fine, so I got in the cab and to get to my house you have to drive over this bridge which is the main suicide bridge in my city when he got onto the highway to get onto the bridge I felt very uneasy there was something very wrong, I told the cab driver to take the long way around and not go over the bridge but it was too late he wouldn’t stop as we were going over the bridge its like I felt myself jump over the edge I experienced my death and I saw the mind in its entirety, total consciousness from rock to pure light and love and it sort of reset itself, yet I was still in the cab when I got home I freaked out because I thought I was dead so I called an ambulance when I got to hospital I had these 3 people by my bed who were very dark, I also saw these 3 entities in the club where I started to freak out, and when I got moved hospital to my mothers one which is out of town I also saw these three entities, I felt them draining energy from my heart stomach and hip, it felt like I had died, I also had no higher self so I had no connection to god.

I came back to normal about a week later after 5 days of no sleep or eating, I nearly died because of that and not I'm still not quite normal, I see those entities sometimes manifest in people and there will always be 3 people that take on the same soul's as those entities, even though they are normal people, I have come to the conclusion that’s why some people with permanent psychosis attack innocent people because they believe them to be those entities, also psychosis as much of it is a "physical" disorder of brain chemicals I think it is just other souls that have attached themselves to that persons mind hence the voices ect... shamans also believe this and feel that DMT can cure this as under the guidance of a shaman they can remove these spirits.

so ill come to what I'm feeling like these days to finish off, I see geometric Picasso painting type patterns on surfaces such at carpets ect... which doesn’t really bother me that much, what dose bother me is that when I'm talking to people its hard for me to look them in the eyes because when I do its like I'm not looking directly at them, I think this is due to my body/mind physical/spiritual self not aligning properly with the rest of people in reality. I know this because I would be left feeling like this after a bad trip and it would correct itself when I had a good trip and everything was crispy clear everything aligned perfectly. I was also left feeling disconnected after my first psychosis with the LSD then when I took LSD the second time I realigned and when I talked to my friends the connection was just perfect, after that 2nd psychosis I've been left feeling the same disconnected way I did after the first. Other than that I can totally function normally I just feel the presence of these entities from time to time and the feeling slightly disconnected is quite annoying and its starting to get on my nerves more and more.

I'm considering getting some theta/serenity vibration healing done and also some reiki as I believe this will help me to align myself and get rid of those negative energies which are stopping me from healing properly. I might consider doing psychedelics again but if I do it will be under a very low dose with a lot of good friends around and some cosmic dudes who are experienced with trips and every situation I have or ever will have to deal with. Most likely if I don’t completely heal in a while then ill probably go and see a shaman rather than taking the chance at another trip.

Anyway that’s my story.
 
So you've taken acid twice, three times?

That's nothing, try eating a few thousands hits over half a decade...
 
Be VERY careful man if your family has a history of mental illness. Psychedelic trips are not worth precipitating a mental disorder. BUT, if you do ever feel ready to trip again just don't do acid, do mushies instead (season's over here in Melb but it'll be round again next year before you know it). Acid goes to your head too much and fucks up your perception of things really bad. I had done shrooms about 20 times with no problematic after effects before I had my first acid trip. But since that trip my head has been so cloudy, my vision distorted and everything just fucked in general.
Nothing beats that earth friendly vibe that you get from mushrooms. Sure the trip might be much more emotional and difficult to handle but mentally it's safer imo.


And Eudoxia I am very impressed that you've eaten thousands of hits of acid in half a decade. You're my hero.
 
Very interesting. I was wondering what happened after that thread you posted in the Dark Side. Good to see you've recovered somewhat.

I remember you mentioned you were put on anti-psychotics - did they do anything? Are you still on them? Regardless of what medication (if any) you're on, if I was you I'd be staying away from psychedelics for a while.....they've clearly triggered something and it doesn't sound like it was particularly pleasant.
 
EudoXia no I said ive been doi acid for a year ive done about 50 or so trips so its not like I ate acid twice and went insane It was a gradual breakdown and it was those last trips that put me into the cosmic deep end which I dident know what I was experienceing or how to manage my energies or reconnect my chakras/mind. Sushii anti psychotics dont do shit i was put on them for week and they just made me numb helped me to sleep but i feel that they dont do anything to help your condition, one of my friends has a great analogy he says

"your watching t.v. there is a fire in the next room the smoke decetors going off, there is smoke and the door is hot. Western medicine gets up off the couch, turns off the smoke detector, turns on the air conditioner and contunies to watch tv. Eastern traditional medicine be it chineese/shamanic healing puts out the fire turns off the tv and reflects :D" thats what anti psychotics, anti depressents do, I actually think they hindered my healing and I would have been much better if they just put me on benzos. Basically what having a pre disposition to psychosis means is that the bubble that is around your mind is tinner than people who do not have the pre disposition but it can happen to anyone, when we take drugs we lift this bubble so our minds are free to be manipulated within reality allowing us to surcome to supernatural forces that are out of our immidiate controll(unless your experienced with entities/beasts of the higher planes) and they can fuck with you. So if you have a predisposition its easy for the fabric of this bubble to break hence the term "psychotic break" and causes psychosis as it allows peices of your mind energies to escape, now really experienced tripers if this occurs are able to keep it together go with love and manage your energies as I thought I was experienced I really got a smack when this happened to me. Also time helps build up this mind fabric ect...
 
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bikki_muncher69, that's a sad story, although it's a vital step on your path to healing and growth. best wishes :)
 
^cheers mean girl, I'm pretty much back to my old self, yes its been a difficult path but I have chosen it, all part of the cosmic experience I guess one you get to the doorway at the end of the rabbit hole you have to be comfortable with proceeding into it. I know the reason I had these experiences was because I wanted to know more about Life, God, Love/fear and the true nature of reality and the universe, well I definatly got what I asked for but for that to happen I had to visit the darkest depths of myself so that the highest parts of myself could show.

We are never ever disconnected from love/god(ourselfs) but sometimes we make ourselfs sit in the chair in the corner. Its true we are experienceing ourselfs in every way imaginable. Im also certain of the fact that everything is "mind over matter" I think your mind can seperate from your body but because you have allready built up a physical reality it dosent matter what happens to your other body because you have already established an existance in the here and now of that new reality thats why I think I experienced myself dieing because it possibly could have happened.

Its all about love and light on this spiritual journey we are takeing and huge changes are among us, it is indeed a very exciting time to be alive:D.
 
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bikki_muncher69 said:
I'm considering getting some theta/serenity vibration healing done and also some reiki as I believe this will help me to align myself and get rid of those negative energies which are stopping me from healing properly.

dude for all you've gone through some psudo-religious never been proven excerise is not going to vaquish your potential illness and/or demons.

A strong support network of good medical practioners, friends, family and removing signifacnt stress from your life is what is going to help you control your mental illness.

college_dropout said:
Be VERY careful man if your family has a history of mental illness. Psychedelic trips are not worth precipitating a mental disorder.

why not - yes i'm being specious but there is a point.

The OP, potentially, has a underlying mental illness.

Its going to be precipitated by any significant situation of stress be it one that has been developing for a long period of time or brought on with little or no history.

However just to make one thing very clear (coz it shits me to no ends to see people cast such terrible mis-information) - LSD cannot not, physologically, induce pyschois.

Go to any mental health website about schizophrenia and they will categorically state that drugs do not induce schizophrenia.

Yes LSD will give you hallunications and "strange" thoughts but this is not mental illness.

Rampant/addictive drug use is a symptom of underlying emotional issues (mainly denial). Sadly though those who subconsciously attempt to self medicate against the symptoms of their mental illness have created a staggeringly awful synonymous generalisation - that terrible drug use causes mental illness.

Sure drugs can exacerbate (but not cause) the emotional state of those with mental illness.

Anyway the OP should stay away from stressful situations - be they exacerbate whilst consuming a drug or not its those events which will precipitate paranoid, psychosis and mental illness.
 
chugs said:
dude for all you've gone through some psudo-religious never been proven excerise is not going to vaquish your potential illness and/or demons.

A strong support network of good medical practioners, friends, family and removing signifacnt stress from your life is what is going to help you control your mental illness.


Dude, for all ive gone through you have noooo idea. I dont have a mental illness yeah ive had a couple of psychotic breaks which were drug iduced but this can happen to anyone if the brain is put under enough stress. Dude LSD CAN cause mental illness, how can you beleive for one second that it dosent. It drastically alters the framework of your mind so that you cannot function within the common perceived reality. For most people they are unneffected but some people do get fucked up, trust me though you never hear about the fryers or if you do its allways made out "oh yeah that guy ate the bad acid"

psudo-religious never been proven excerise? WHAT THE FUCK. How much shit is actually proven, we tend not to beleive things because society has taught us to beleive somthing that cant be proven is seen as bullshit. Id love you to experience what I have and then come back and tell me energy healing is bullshit. If you have ever been on a real trip you will know that universal energy is everywhere, that we are made up of different energys vibrateng at different levels, all energy healers do is channel this universal energy into where we need it most and i have had some serious energy issues i dident beleive in chakras and all that untill I felt some of mine become dissconnected. Now I was a skeptic but not anymore and one day you will wake up and go HOLY FUCK maybee it isnt bullshit.
 
chugs said:
dude for all you've gone through some psudo-religious never been proven excerise is not going to vaquish your potential illness and/or demons.

A strong support network of good medical practioners, friends, family and removing signifacnt stress from your life is what is going to help you control your mental illness.

I have suffered from several anxiety conditions in the past and let me tell you these "practitioners" didnt do anything expect extortion. I was put on drugs that made me extremely sick and numb to the point i was a drooling mess. I was inspired to wene myself of the addictive drugs they put me on. So addictive that the withdrawal symptoms included wonderful electric shock sensations in my cranium. The bastard's response was for me to increase the dosage. Psychiatrists have absolutely no idea about the true workings of the mind and their treatment options are merely ingorant band-aids. I worked out my own shit by talking to friends, reading and gaining inspiration. The most important path to healing came when i realised that what i had was not an "illness". These are extra-ordinary miss-understood states.
 
^ spot on endless, its true they just numb you. Too often if you have a condition that isnt the "norm" they will label it an illness and send you off with some soul and mind numbing drugs that probabbly worsen your condition rather than help it. I had some "distance healing" done last night and today I feel like I have that connection back and I dont feel uncomfortable when I look people in the eyes maybee its all in my head and there is no such thing as healing but from what ive experienced I dont think reiki or other methods of healing are just some no hope new age fads.
 
EudoXia even if he did only do it "two or three times" (which he didn't), how would that make his story any less important or significant?

bikki muncher, interesting story. I had already decided that i'm not ready for LSD, this confirms it for me. I already have a hard time keeping in touch with reality as it is, i tend to overthink/analyse most things in my head, so i wouldn't want to have a bad LSD trip.

Maybe one day i'll try it, but at the moment maybe shrooms might be safer to try as they're natural. But then again, MDMA isn't "natural" and its changed my whole perspective and personality for the better...

bikki muncher, not sure if i interpreted it right, but the impression i got was that your bad trips are brought on when you dose by-yourelf? Maybe a good, low dose trip with friends would be a healing experience, but it could also possibly make things worse.
 
You were the guy that tripped his first time on LSD and an eight of mushrooms, or not?
I think that may be the reason that your trips get so psychotic..
But in general, I think doing psychedelics while going out is just a bad idea. Just stay at home with one or two friends. It's just too intense, you shouldn't look it as a way to be able to have fun at a rave.
 
My experience with the world of psychiatric therapy has been just as endlesseuology has described. Bravo, i am going to borrow those words in the future.

If you disagree, you have only but to read the diary accounts of James Franklin over at http://www.schizophrenicadventures.com/ If you look at his drug intake throughout the notes, you will see a disturbing pattern, as best described by endlesseulogy.

What is a psychotic episode anyway? A less offensive way of describing it would be to say "a period of time in which i didnt know what was going on, more or less". And thats pretty much it in a nutshell.

dude for all you've gone through some psudo-religious never been proven excerise is not going to vaquish your potential illness and/or demons.
A strong support network of good medical practioners, friends, family and removing signifacnt stress from your life is what is going to help you control your mental illness.

What an ignorant and disgusting thing to say. How dare you say he has a mental illness, to someone you dont even know? And then go on a speil claiming his LSD use will land him with more issues? He undertook that journey for spiritual discovery in the first place, a part of which he found, and is only now dealing with some emotional issues.

bikki, my interpretation of your story is this: You made that disconnection and mis-alignment yourself. As you said, you felt a great disconnection from your friends. Perhaps you did this on purpose so that the higher messages of the trip could be conveyed to you. Now these messages may still be confused and require more serious interpretation. So my advice to you is to keep considering and thinking about what you felt during those trips. Once you have drawn enough from them to make you feel settled again, you need to reconnect with your friends and family.

So having done that, get out there and be happy with your friends, you will have a new meaning and joy to convey to them and they will notice.
 
endlesseulogy said:
I have suffered from several anxiety conditions in the past and let me tell you these "practitioners" didnt do anything expect extortion.

Right so that makes all medical practitioners criminals eh? I think you're generalising just a tad.

Granted there are bad doctors out there however millions of people use this system and it works. For as many terrible stories we all have about doctors i can give you just as many good stories about myself, friends and family who have received successful treatment.

Your right though, that one can self heal - but its difficult, especially when you have intelligent peers on bluelight encouraging you to disregard effective treatments

When you think some sort new age hippy bullshit is going to heal your demons then your definitily in denial.

Novus Opiate said:
What an ignorant and disgusting thing to say. How dare you say he has a mental illness, to someone you dont even know? And then go on a speil claiming his LSD use will land him with more issues? He undertook that journey for spiritual discovery in the first place, a part of which he found, and is only now dealing with some emotional issues.

dude i never ever said that LSD will land him with more issues.

My entire "speil" was that LSD does not cause mental illness, in fact I stated he could contiune to consume LSD and it would not make him ill.

What will make him ill is if he does not learn to treat his underlying medical problems - meaning if the OP never takes drugs again he'll still have psychotic moments - why because he, like the vast majority of people in this reality have emotional problems. All the LSD did was put it directly in front of his face - he was eyes wide shut and all of sudden his realised something is desperately wrong.

However how insulting of the OP to be the one "that dared" to say that he had a mental illness. How can you blame me when he was the one that admitted it in the first place?

What you're really insulted about is how i can call "theta/serenity vibration healing done and also some reiki" unproven psudo-religious quackery.

Your right the OP has some underlying emotional issues that he didn't deal with before he took LSD.

Realigning his theta (what the fuck?) vibration is just not going to do anything about why his angry/sad. They are caused by things that happened in his life, by other people - not because a brain wave is out of sync with another wave.

I wish however the OP all the goodwill and empathy on a proper journey of enlightenment
 
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so chugs what exactly do you think mental illness is? Have you had any experience with mental illness or had psychosis or anxiaty issues? I dont think you have. Tell me how eactly do you know that the mental health system actually works? is that because you've read some statistics? or is that just somthing you thought up.

The answer is you probabbly have no idea if it is sucsessfull or not because not even I know if it "compleetly" works because doctors are going to dose someone up on mind numbing pills and send them away saying their condition is improved, maybee they have dulled the symptoms but have they actually fixed the problem?

You are very very nieave to think that LSD cant cause psychosis, what I experienced on that trip was cosmic, what happened was I became disconnected from my root chakra(but of coarse this is all hippy bullshit) and was left floating In space. Im sure if i had never taken LSD or any drug, I wouldent have had problems.

As for the healing part, I had some done the other day, how can you explain the fact that now im not experienceing any anxiaty? or the fact that I can look people in the eyes and have a direct connection with them and the fact that I have had a huge wieght lifted off my shoulders. Also the healer told me exactly what I experienced but I dident tell him anything about what happened, only the problems I was experienceing.

Don't let the overall veiws of society bias you against anything else chug's remeber, people thought the world was flat years ago and when the first guy came to prove them wrong, they killed him, just like you killed every other persons post that opposed your veiws. Now they have technology ect... but its the same principle, the interesting thing is they dont even know how most of the drugs they give people work? interesting isnt it.

Nothing is that bad I think some people think ive got real bad issues, the psychosis was fucked up and lasted a max of 7 days, but now I dont experience much at all, used to experience a little bit of anxiaty but hardly anything anymore, and patterned surfaces have the acid patterns on them which eventually go away after a year or so of not tripping. Considering Ive been partying heavy for at least 2 years Im sure thats nothing unusual, also now Im starting to intergrate the trips ive had, as there was this huge build up of not understanding the experiences which Is going just fine. Ive made the reconnection with my friends and family and Im well on the road to total recovery keep in mind these experiences were at the start of the year so its been at least 4 months since the last one happened.
 
When you think some sort new age hippy bullshit is going to heal your demons then your definitily in denial.

Thats not a generalisation?

I wouldnt exactly call alternative treatments "new age" in the scheme of things. These treatments have thousands of years of practice and experience behind them. Western psychoanalysis and treatment is based on the view of treating the human mind as object - which in my view cheapifies existence. We are multi-faceted spiritual beings. It's not always typically wise to comment and discount such things without first-hand experience. The view of the mind of the last 100 years is on it's way out.
 
Originally posted by bikki_muncher69
The answer is you probabbly have no idea if it is sucsessfull or not because not even I know if it "compleetly" works because doctors are going to dose someone up on mind numbing pills and send them away saying their condition is improved, maybee they have dulled the symptoms but have they actually fixed the problem?

Doctors and their (often haphazard and lazy) prescribing approach aren't what generates research, and this is where the real understanding of mental illness comes from. Just because there's a trend towards handing out pills at every opportunity doesn't mean we know nothing about the mind.

There's a lot of research into the effectiveness of psychiatric medication. Unfortunately, the trend towards handing it out for every problem imaginable means we encounter far more negative stories than positive ones. But what's really important to remember is that your experience isn't necessarily generalisable to everyone else.....so just because you found it unhelpful doesn't mean everyone else should ditch the pills and start doing reiki.

And this is part of the problem with alternative therapies. There's plenty of first-hand accounts, but very little empirical research to back them up. I'm not trying to suggest that they don't work - perhaps science just hasn't advanced to the point where they can be measured? - but until this is shown, mental heath researchers and practitioners are always going to go with the option that has plenty of scientific support. That's just how it is.

Kind of off-topic, but there's some really interesting research being done by Richard Davidson that examines the effects of meditation on the mind. Although his work with the Dalai Lama has been criticised for blurring the lines between science and religion, he's showing that something formerly thought of by western medicine as 'new age' can be validated scientifically. Here's a link to his lab website if anyone want to check it out.http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/

I'd be careful about where this experience takes you. It sounds like it's been positive, but even in my very limited experience working in mental health I've encountered people who began with experiences they considered enlightening and spiritual, only to descend into full-blown schizophrenia. And schizophrenia can be an incredibly distressing and disabling condition. Not that I'm suggesting you have it (psychosis is an umbrella term that does not equate to schizophrenia) but if it does run it your family it's something to take seriously.
 
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