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LSD + MDMA - first time - Joy turns to terror

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This report is a lot longer, and a lot more of a narrative than most trip reports on this site, but it's how I've written it in my trip journal, and it's the best account of what transpired I can put together. I am still pretty rattled by the experience, and was hoping I could get some more experienced individuals' opinions or input on the matter.


How I Spent My Summer Vacation v. 2010

Or

Reality is a Slip ‘n Slide Between My Ears

-9/05/10
A year ago today, my life changed…I will tell you it was for the better, but truth be told, it has been in a lot of ways a great deal of trouble—trouble with my friends, trouble with the law, trouble with myself. A year ago today at a music festival in New York City, I experienced a profound opening, emotionally, musically, interrelationally, and I was excited to repeat the pilgrimage again this year. Bigger, better, all of my friends would be there. It would be perfect. That is not what happened.

We arrive on the island around 1:30. It is already packed, dusty, grass tramped brown by tens of thousands of footsteps from the day before. There are only a few of us at first—me, T, A, C, and we make our way to the tent where ***** is playing. We dance and listen for a while, meet up with P and his group of people. We are waiting, and this is a shame, because the anticipation of the ‘real’ party, of our chemically altered superconsciousness, is thoroughly inhibiting my enjoyment of the moment. Nevertheless, we manage to have a good time while trying to conserve energy.

****** wraps their set up and we head down the hill to a picnic table under a tent. It is 3:30 and I take a hit of LSD, letting the blotter soak up the saliva under my tongue, tasting nothing but paper, feeling nervous, excited, odd. We get a bit of food, eat, head to the main stage to listen to ****** ****, who is good but not great. I am starting to feel the acid…I am a little loopy, a little goofy. I am wearing a nametag that says “hello, my name is Faced.” I find this amusing, though T does not. I have an idiot grin on my face, and the music is starting to move me, funky and minimal. It is almost 4:30, and we head back up the hill to hear ******** play—they are the act I am most excited to hear. I am honestly a bit disappointed—they play very few songs I know, although the scene under the tent is visually arresting, lights and visualizer holding my attention just fine. I feel weird, but not where I want to be; I have no visuals, which were what I wanted to get out of the trip. I have the urge to take another hit, but I keep convincing myself to wait until about 5:15 when I am reasonably sure things are not going to get any more serious. I try to bite a half hit off the blotter, but I can’t really tell how much or how little I get. I imagine that I feel it immediately.

C2 finally arrives, I give him his pills and we are good for a while. I am dancing, we are dancing, it is just a good time. P and a few others drop their first and within a half hour are clearly starting to roll and we all laugh because they are acting ridiculous. My hands are a liquid ball and I am really falling into the music now, watching my fingers twist and wave and roll smoothly through space, flesh made fluid. As I watch myself, I suddenly feel as if I’ve fallen entirely too deep, that second hit or half-hit or whatever it was smacking me in the brainstem all at once, taking what was wonderment and transmuting it into deep, deep discomfort. I am instantly done with this setting; I know I need to get out and be somewhere I can sit and reduce stimulation until I am more on top of my game. I convince C2, T, A, C, and a few others? I can’t remember, to leave a little early and we make our way toward the hillside to sit for a while. Everyone drops their first pill around 6, while I wait until I feel more myself. I don’t understand what is going on with this trip. I have no visuals, but my thoughts feel distorted and fucked up. It feels like, instead of the normal morphing and breathing effects of LSD, it is reality itself that is warping around me, and I do not know why.

It is 6:30, 6:40 and everyone is starting to come up, becoming talkative, chattering, then slipping deeper into their roll and moaning as the rushes come, massaging each other and sharing their thoughts with abandon. I am frankly jealous, everyone is in a much better place than I am and I am done with feeling out of sorts and uncomfortable. It is 6:50, I am feeling more like myself, and I decide ‘fuck it’ and take my first pill. Something changes very quickly, placebo effect or no, and I stand up to go to the bathroom. As I wait in line, visual distortions leap into life, the edges of the portable bathrooms shimmering and glowing and objects growing, shrinking, and warping into new shapes before my eyes. It is intense, unexpected, and a bit frightening. There is a woman in the line standing over my shoulder staring at me with disturbing intensity, and even as I pray that she won’t say anything to me, she starts talking, clearly off her rocker, bitching about people taking too long in the line for the bathroom, then introducing herself and asking about me. This woman’s age is utterly impossible to determine, first of all because I am tripping face and second of all because she looks like she has done some serious hard living. She claims she went to Yale and was friends with chemists at Harvard and MIT who were synthing drugs back in the 80s. “I did 2C-B before it existed,” she says, “DMT too.” I leap into the nearest open bathroom, eager to escape, and pee while the whole thing feels like it is about to take off, vibrating with bass and twisting and flowing around me.

Back outside, and I am feeling highly stimulated, tapping my legs unconsciously, starting to feel talkative, tweaky, but not happy or empathic, but this slowly begins to change as tactile sensations become more and more pleasurable and I slip into a sort of synaesthesia, waves of color washing over me every time I blink, the crowd below us a sweeping tide of humanity. I hug T and when I close my eyes we are outlined in layers of neon against the black and I realize this is like nothing I have ever experienced before. I am absolutely stunned, unable to articulate what is going on around me, there is just so much surreality happening so fast it is all I can do to keep up. The bass is making me move without my consent and all of a sudden I am hugely eager to dance and get the party REALLY started. We head down to the largest tent, where ***** is playing, some sort of hip-hop infused electro/house absurd subgenre of electronica but my god it feels like the ground is exploding underneath me every time the bass wobbles and kicks. Where trance is dj-worshipping, uplifting, too fast-paced to do anything but lunge and jump, this is orgiastic, wild, sexual, raw, nasty, and everyone in the tent feels it. It feels like a jungle, hot, humid and smelly and it is so utterly delicious I cannot stand it. T and I are grinding, touching, kissing like porn stars and it is fantastic, I am just a rolled-up ball of sensation, being vibrated from my toes to my head and I almost lose my mind. It is getting dark and I head to the perimeter of the tent to give some light shows and it feels wonderful to let my fingers play with the music and it feels wonderful to see everyone’s smiles and know that they are happy. Several of our friends have never had a light show before, and they are ecstatic.

It is 8:15 or 8:30 and I take my second pill and it hits FAST, I am on the dance floor and T and I look at each other and make our way out of the tent to go sit down…I am totally floored for about 5 or 10 minutes, unable stand or move or do anything but let my eyes wiggle. We talk about Us, about the end of our relationship, the whys and hows and we know that we love each other very much, and we know that when she leaves tomorrow it will be a beginning and not an ending. When we head back into the tent we realize this act is over and find our friends, who are about to head to the main stage for the beginning of *****’s set. ******** closes with “Zombie Nation” and I am delighted to hear some classic trance. I am just dancing by myself with my gloves now, covering myself with light and enjoying the feeling of moving to music. I meet a kid who is just starting to glove and I talk to him for a bit, he is enthusiastic and appreciative. I meet another kid from LA who absolutely melts my face, and I am happy to find someone on the East Coast who is really, really good.

I am wonderfully, wonderfully happy, and the world seems entirely composed of light and sound. I end up somehow standing next to C and we are talking for a moment, but I cannot remember what she is saying as I write this. Here is where something terribly, terribly wrong happens. She is saying some of the usual things one says when they are rolling… “I’m so glad we’re all here, I’m so glad you’re in my life” and the like. I hear something else, although I do not know if I actually heard it or not. I hear her say something like “but you and I, there is something special, isn’t there? Something no one else has.” I cannot emphasize this enough: I have NO IDEA if she actually said this. I only know this is what I am perceiving. For a brief, shining moment, I feel the truth of this to my absolute core. For a moment, I look at her and I know it is true. I look at her and I realize—not think—realize fully and deeply, that I have met the girl I am going to marry. The air is full of blue and green lasers, and the song playing is “Not Giving Up On Love.” And then something twists deep in my mind and everything falls away.

I can feel it I can feel it oh godohgodohgodohgod I’ve lost it I’ve lost my mind I FELT IT I FELT IT SNAP like a bone breaking a shoulder slipping out of its socket the world has just inverted itself and nothing is right nothing is real let me tell you my delusion my little fantasy hahahahaaha isn’t it funny? So funny I’ll tell you all about it you see C and I we are preordained destined made for each other we are Supposed To Be Together not like you or your mother and father are Good For Each Other nonononono C and I we are the only real ones the universe has meant us for each other our lives everyone’s lives up to this point have been fake false facsimiles of unreality we know THE TRUTH now we ARE THE TRUTH NOW and everything has to change everything must reorient itself around THE TRUTH which is that we must face our destiny we are star-crossed we are archetypal we are The Lovers transcending time and space and rationality I cannot tell you this enough times WE ARE THE ONLY REAL ONES and we HAVE TO BE TOGETHER because this is what the universe has decreed from on high this is the truth of existence and because this is impossible because this is not any reality I can believe in well I guess hahahahahahaha I’m sorry I guess your little mind is just going to have to fall all to pieces here now watch yourself watch yourself try to pull it together T’s trying to figure out what went wrong but looky here I’ll tell you what she’s not real either and neither is this field neither are all these people neither is YOUR LIFE YOU PATHETIC LITTLE SPECK NONE OF THIS IS REAL it’s all a psychotic hallucination everything and everyone and your whole life heehee you’re not even a person you’re just the imagination of yourself, the fever-dream of some poor institutionalized schmuck in a padded cell upstate you’re about to black out and wake up in that cell not knowing who you are or what your life is or how you got here and

NO I WILL PULL IT TOGETHER I WILL PULL IT TOGETHER I AM IN CHARGE HERE

no I’m not no I’m not because it’s not me it’s Fate that we’re to be together see here everything makes sense look T is angry because she is being pushed aside because the only purpose of our relationship was for C and I to meet to realize THE TRUTH so we can step out of this reality and into our own and now she’s talking to C and C is next to me telling me she did NOT mean it like that she did NOT but I see the look in her eyes and I know she’s telling me this to protect me to protect US from the people who would try to break us apart because T can’t know that this is THE TRUTH hahahahahaha see I’ll show you how look C says to me “It’s only a big deal if WE make it a big deal” see she’s in on it she knows THE TRUTH and knows that we have to keep it quiet keep it secret from everyone who’s trying to hurt us or take our destiny from us we have to protect ourselves

oh my god I did it I actually did it I’ve unglued my brain broken my mind awakened some long-latent schizophrenia look at this what am I thinking what am I doing these thoughts are IMPOSSIBLE they can’t be true but there is NOTHING anyone can do or say to convince me that they might not be true and god if there is even a CHANCE that they might be true how can I ignore them I have to follow them because if this is what the universe wants I can’t ignore it I’m not allowed to now I get it now I get these paranoid violent stalkers look that’s going to be me because even C can’t tell me anything to convince me that’s not what she meant if she says it she’s just trying to protect me and I know the TRUTH I see where this goes I see myself violent standing over her fists clenched demanding to know WHY WON’T YOU ADMIT THE TRUTH YOU KNOW IT AS WELL AS I DO WE ARE FOR EACH OTHER AND EACH OTHER ONLY

fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck this is where I will be for the rest of my life in this netherworld of surreality unable to distinguish where thought ends and reality begins hahahahahaha what a silly boy you are there is no reality nothing at all real only fabrications of this misfiring neural wiring in your head in the morning I have to call my parents have to tell them what happened just come clean tell them I need help they’ll put me on an antipsychotic haldol something to pull me out of this I’ll be done that’ll be the end of things my life is effectively over but at least I won’t be CRAZY anymore I just need to call them but OHHHHHHH FUCK none of this is even real and neither are they hahahahahaaaaaaaaaa I’ll just call my imaginary parents and they’ll come in an imaginary car to pick me up me who doesn’t even know who me is because it’s all unreality won’t someone please please please help me I am talking to A, asking him if we won’t please sit down and talk to me help me find myself again.

We sit, and we talk. I explain where I am, not sure if he understands. He tells me that I am obviously tripping face, but something that was said has clearly resonated with me very strongly and that perhaps, just maybe we aren’t in fact fated lovers beyond time and space, but that maybe there is some sort of connection, and this is why I’m bugging, and maybe something really really wonderful has just happened in my life. This thought is comforting, it pulls me at least a bit out of my loop though I still find it difficult to shake, and as the event comes to a close I feel myself slowly returning to reality, seeing the headspace where I became stuck for what it was—a drug-induced state and not my future self, and I realize that I am going to be ok. I am deeply, deeply shaken as we begin our long journey back to ****** but by the time I am back in my room I am sober and lucid, still processing what has happened. I need a long break from ALL drugs—this was as close to the edge as I ever want to get and I will need a significant amount of time to consolidate myself, especially before tripping again.

I have been over the edge, I have seen madness, and I have returned mostly intact. This in and of itself is valuable, though I am not sure exactly how. It is time to relax and enjoy the world outside of my own head for a while.
 
acid can make concepts feel very intense and emotional and mdma can make you feel like your falling in love (when nothing of the sort is happening). in other words its easy to get mixed up in fake realities inside your own mind.

plus you didn't need to have that second hit of acid (thats what sent you over the edge)

there is another candyflip trip report where it all went wrong because they took two tabs instead of one

have a decent dose of mdma and 1/2 to a whole tab of cid

i lost the plot the first time i did acid (as part of a candy flip) cos i took two tabs which blew my mind
 
First off, beautifully written. And I'm glad someone else undertook to describe those peculiar psychotic breaks that happen during a candyflip. I had a similar experience... so fucking WEIRD.

I was on one strong gel tab and one strong pill, at a late night show at the festival. Just to set the scene, we're in a barn overlooking the festival all lit up below and there's an excellent blues band playing to the 50 or so folks that got in. I'm chatting up the people standing around me, having absolutely normal conversations, I'm in a great mood but that's all. Then out of the blue I REALIZED that everyone in the room was asleep except for me and this one dude (who I hadn't even met--just some random stranger about 5 feet from me to my left). Everyone else, including my candyflipping girlfriend, was trapped in samsara or something, completely zoned out and asleep, while he and I were enlightened, purely present. I'm 95% sure I tapped him on the shoulder and said something like "Can you believe this man? What the FUCK is going on?", and that little psychotic break ended when he looked at me like wtf are you talking about?

But I was so fucked up that I can't be sure any of that happened, my brain was going back and forth from +2 to +4. It was all so moving and profound, sweet and touching, but at the same time I was as calm and refreshed and unruffled as I've ever been, there with the band hammering away in front of us, 50 souls packed into a barn, high on the hilltop, zonked to the gills.

Had another one a few minutes later... we're still in the barn surrounded by people our age. Now the band's playing and we're dancing. I realized I had become the "father figure" to a handful of my disciples that were scattered around me in the room. They'd watch me and try to emulate my mannerisms, and I wanted to be a good father / leader and keep them safe, and teach them and guide them. Christ trip!!

That's just a unique thing with LSD+MDMA. I've done loads of other compounds and never gone psychotic like that on anything else. I'm usually the guy that can dispute a bar tab or figure out how to buy the museum tickets while trippin balls. LSD+MDMA owned me. One of the best nights ever, I'm serious when I say I'll cherish those memories forever.
 
Wow, I wish I had known going in that this kind of thing was a relatively common feature of the experience. I would never have tried to do it for the first time in such a stimulating context had I known that was a statistically significant possibility. I also would never have taken a second hit of acid--I just would have been much more cautious about the experience...live and learn, I guess.

I feel a lot more grounded at this point; I've spoken to the girl in question, and clarified what it was that she said. It seems like she was saying a version of "I'm glad you're in my life," but to this she added "I'm glad you're here with me, glad you're in my universe." The inclusion of 'universe' made this entirely too big for me to handle, and I spun out.

I still find myself in a weird place though, regarding the cognition I had immediately before I fell down the rabbit hole--I really, really honestly KNEW that I was going to end up with this girl, and I am still not entirely convinced there was not something to that. I've met her twice before, and each time there has been some mutual attraction--I was intrigued, and sensed she was too, but I was with someone else at the time, so there was no action. I'm not sure what to do with that. She lives in another state, and I feel like a realization I had just before I went completely psychotic is not really the basis upon which to reorient one's life. I feel like it's going to be hard to achieve complete closure with this experience until I can resolve that.

What a weird, weird day.
 
Yea I hear you... acid has this 'is it real?' thing. And I think a lot of these little mind stories are at least based on actual events, just so subtle you'd normally not pick up on it without the acid's heightened perception.

e.g. when I'm talking about feeling like this father / christ figure... I really think there were some younger kids kind of emulating me, we're probably constantly doing that in a crowd without realizing it. I think it's quite possible that the acid helped me pick up on the dynamic, and the emotional push of the MDMA blew it up into this beautiful drama. And shit, it is all a beautiful drama, is it not?

Or maybe my fucking brain invented the whole thing, I don't know. That's why acid is so fun
 
Awesome trip report, feeling quite emotionally exhausted myself ;).

oh my god I did it I actually did it I’ve unglued my brain broken my mind

I had that exact feeling but you describe it so much better than I ever did - I didn't take acid again for over 10 years ;-) All good now though

I have been over the edge, I have seen madness, and I have returned mostly intact. This in and of itself is valuable, though I am not sure exactly how.

- because if/when it reoccurs in the future, as it did for me, you are much better equipped to deal with it. You are also now aware of your own strength, and your own fragility.

On a personal note, my mother now has beginning symptoms of Alzheimer's and the way she describes how she feels, is exactly how I felt for a long time after my mind-shattering trip. Sadly, I recovered, while I feel she will slip further towards the "madness"
 
Awesome trip report, feeling quite emotionally exhausted myself ;).



I had that exact feeling but you describe it so much better than I ever did - I didn't take acid again for over 10 years ;-) All good now though



- because if/when it reoccurs in the future, as it did for me, you are much better equipped to deal with it. You are also now aware of your own strength, and your own fragility.

On a personal note, my mother now has beginning symptoms of Alzheimer's and the way she describes how she feels, is exactly how I felt for a long time after my mind-shattering trip. Sadly, I recovered, while I feel she will slip further towards the "madness"

First of all, so sorry to hear about your mother. My grandmother passed away from Alzheimer's--it's a long road, full of hurt. Love and humor are your allies.

That FEELING...it's so visceral, so physical. It literally felt like a physical injury had occurred, but in my mind. I think that contributed a great deal to how I spiralled deeper into panic--it's not easy to keep your composure and remind yourself that you're just on drugs when it feels like something really has changed. I don't really want to forget it though; that's a good cautionary feeling to have in your head whenever you start feeling reckless. I don't think I'll be off acid for 10 years, but until any weird thing that I see stops making me freeze up for a second, thinking I'm still tripping, or reality isn't what I thought it was, I am staying far, far away.
 
Wow, a great read.

I've never candy flipped, so I can't quite relate to the combination of feelings and experiences. But the way you put things makes it easy for me to imagine it's happening to me anyway.
 
I enjoyed reading this, I really like the way you wrote it OP.

Thanks! It's been a little over a month, and things are slowly on their way back to normal I think--I'm through the 'what the fuck just happened' phase, mostly done with 'what the fuck does it mean/am I ever going to be the same,' and into 'let's give it some time and move on.' Not all the way there yet, but it seems to be slowly sorting itself out.
 
I know where your at man. I had a somewhat similar experience minus the meant to be together part. Here's mine if you're interested. That's the highest I could possibly imagine ever being and I think I'm fine if I never get quite that high again. It took me months to piece certain things back together and get past the "what the fuck just happened" phase as well. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=343753&highlight=candyflip

edit: Nice description btw. Brought back memories hah.
 
Whoooo that sucks man...I think I would have been even worse off if I hadn't at least been around my friends...probably would have run screaming into the night never to be found again. It's been very helpful to hear from other BL'ers who've been through the same kind of thing and come out the other side though.

I wonder what it is about LSD+MDMA that seems to enhance the likelihood of psychosis?
 
candyflipping

I have done MDMA and LSD together maybe 10 times in the late 1990's.
I know I did it at a Phish show at MSG and at 2 of the Black Sabbath reunion with Ozzy shows in 98. There was another show I quite clearly remember the intense trip and that it was over Thanksgiving weekend in the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, general admission floor, totally packed wall to wall people...but I just dont remember who played the show....maybe Black Crowes or AC/DC?

This was clearly the strongest psychedelic combo I have ever taken...never a bad trip. Nitrous and LSD is more potent IMHO, but lasts just minutes.
All my candyflipping were great, intense experiences. I'm sure I did it at other concerts, but i just dont recall.

Oh, and I feel that I develop a special bond with most people that I shared a psychedelic trip with...especially if I spoke with or danced with them. I found that the post peak period is when these bonds form the best. I still feel these bonds with people more than 20 years later.
 
Great written man! As purple_cloud enjoyed the way you wrote it, so did I. I guess I now know 2 hits is not recommended. Basic but good to keep in mind. Cuz' might be my turn soon.

See ya.
 
sympathy

hey man,
first off, glad you didnt do anything stupid while you were facing....
lemme tell you this story....
ive done, i dont know what to call this, whole 1.5g pack of salvia out of my 3.5 feet bong while on 6gs of gold caps

seeing those you wrote about emotions, reality and universe, i can sympathize that feeling

so it was a rave at my friend's new condo
we are all hardcore potheads and E heads, my friends dont really like to trip tho,
so i tried to look cool and take all GCs i had and decided to take full bowl hit out of my bong which is 1.5, wiht Salvia, idk who brought over salvia and how it got there, one of my friends got it out of her pocket and dared me to do it while tripping balls,

ive done flipping before but it was small amount of both substance

so after i take that hit, hold it for awhile, i black out, my friends told me i hit my face str8 to the floor and started drooling instantly.

i usually dont remember everything while on salvia, but this time was different, it is still vivid to me

basically i black out and fell into this deep dark pit, where one Giant is standing and constantly knocking me to the floor and i would come back up like a tumbling doll
then i started thinking this is how my life will be and there nothing i can do to get out of this
this is the fate and everything ive known and have done are fake

this was the longest salvia trip ive ever had, about 30 minutes
then when i came back to reality, i mean im still seeing glows and tripping from shrooms,
i was never so happy in my whole life, i was just so glad that wasnt real (almost cried to be honest)

anyways that was my experience of shroom + salvia,
oh ye i had good shroom trip with no paranoia or bad effects whatsoever, i think it was because i was so happy from that moment

oh by the way, it was only 80x salvia
 
Really nice report !!
How are you feeling now, over a month later?

Your experience was a little like mine, haha. I felt pretty screwed up for about 5 days afterward, but I've been fine since.

Will you be going back to EZ next year?
 
Like I said above, it's taken me basically until now to get back to normal...it's been weird. I spent about 3 weeks not totally sure that I was not mentally ill, and then another 3 weeks or so ruminating on questions like 'what is reality?' In sorting things out, though, I've come to some really amazing realizations about myself and the way I view the universe. In sum total I suppose it's been positive, but I certainly wouldn't repeat it.

If I'm on the east coast next year I'll be back at EZ for sure.
 
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