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LSD: Is it all the same?

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I have gotten two different types of LSD (Both liquid form from a vial).

One was clear, the other was amber.

The clear one does not give me near as much a visual trip as a head trip (Although I do see complex geometric patterns and shifting when I focus somewhere) A real strong body high, but a bit less clean feeling.

The amber I don't even have to focus, stuff is shifting constantly even at low doses, feels very clean.

Now keep in mind, I have never taken amber by itself before, I have always been candy flipping at a rave, where the clear stuff I always take just chilling.

Do external factors increase visuals (Rave lasers, light shows, etc)? Does candy flipping increase the visuals intensity?

Is the clear not LSD, while the Amber is?

I usually take about 2-3 hits of each.

Thanks.
 
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No one can tell you for sure what you have, but here is my thoughts.

LSD is definetly a mental trip, even at lower doses. At low doses it's not very visual but the visuals do tend to shift without needing so much focus.

DOx tends to be just visual with a huge body high, can be ampy or sedating depending on which DOx you've gotten. MAny DOx's don't have much of a mind high and are purely sensory.

I am guessing the amber one is LSD while the clear one is DOx(AMT?)

Like I said, no one can tell you for sure though.

Were any bitter? LSD should not taste chemically or bitter, it might however taste "metallic" and a slight "electrical feeling" on your tongue.

And yes MDMA can intensify LSD because it has stimulatory aspects and is even visual at times. You may even have gotten MDA.
 
Well in principle LSD is LSD, it's just one substance and it can only differ in dose. But what can also differ is the impurities in it, some of them may have an effect of their own that produce more of a body high or some kind of weird mental trip. I don't know but read the purity discussion on erowid.
Of course there can always be other substance in the clear one that are not LSD whatsoever but without a Marquis test or other, or maybe the duration of the trip being much longer we can't say just like you can't.
LSD can really differ in how 'clear' and pure it feels, I know too. Most probably you just have different impurities, different ways of producing or purifying it...

There's not much else about it.
 
No one can tell you for sure what you have, but here is my thoughts.

LSD is definetly a mental trip, even at lower doses. At low doses it's not very visual but the visuals do tend to shift without needing so much focus.

DOx tends to be just visual with a huge body high, can be ampy or sedating depending on which DOx you've gotten. MAny DOx's don't have much of a mind high and are purely sensory.

I am guessing the amber one is LSD while the clear one is DOx(AMT?)

Like I said, no one can tell you for sure though.

Were any bitter? LSD should not taste chemically or bitter, it might however taste "metallic" and a slight "electrical feeling" on your tongue.

And yes MDMA can intensify LSD because it has stimulatory aspects and is even visual at times. You may even have gotten MDA.

It tasted minty(It was from a fresh breath drops bottle) with a "electrical feeling" I LOVE THAT FEELING :D

Neither of them were bitter whatsoever! The visuals were not nearly as pronounced as the amber... I am definitely thinking it was not DOX.. if it was I would have tripped more than 12 hours.
 
Well in principle LSD is LSD, it's just one substance and it can only differ in dose. But what can also differ is the impurities in it, some of them may have an effect of their own that produce more of a body high or some kind of weird mental trip. I don't know but read the purity discussion on erowid.
Of course there can always be other substance in the clear one that are not LSD whatsoever but without a Marquis test or other, or maybe the duration of the trip being much longer we can't say just like you can't.
LSD can really differ in how 'clear' and pure it feels, I know too. Most probably you just have different impurities, different ways of producing or purifying it...

There's not much else about it.

all my friends that have done it say it feels distinctly like LSD in the head trip sense, but the visuals are not the most pronounced.

I am a decently experienced tripper and the first time I honestly didn't even notice... but after a few times I noticed it was not as visual.
 
Well first things first, take some of the amber without any other substances in your system, besides maybe some herbage. Report back after that. Eating pills in combo can definetily increase visuals and if it was MDA it will really put on a show. I would think that if you think it basically feels the same and you couldn't tell the difference the first few times that it may be LSD, just at a lower dose or something, IDK you know better than we do since it's you that's taking it. Report back after trip with NO combo.
 
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what are the most common adulterants in liquid?

Is there a lab I could send to and anonymously get results of GC/MS?

When I trip I never ingest, I always drop it on my body. Is there a drug besides LSD that can absorb through skin?
 
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Well in principle LSD is LSD, it's just one substance and it can only differ in dose. But what can also differ is the impurities in it, some of them may have an effect of their own that produce more of a body high or some kind of weird mental trip. I don't know but read the purity discussion on erowid.
Of course there can always be other substance in the clear one that are not LSD whatsoever but without a Marquis test or other, or maybe the duration of the trip being much longer we can't say just like you can't.
LSD can really differ in how 'clear' and pure it feels, I know too. Most probably you just have different impurities, different ways of producing or purifying it...

There's not much else about it.

The purity discussion in erowid is outdated, nowadays there are tons of research chemicals going around in liquid form that are being dropped on sweet tarts, blotters, coming in windowpanes ect. These would be partly why people talk about "dirty acid" or "speedy acid" or "REALLY VISUAL and less heady acid".

Acid is acid, but DOx is not acid.

LSD adulterants:
DOB
DOC
DOI
DOM
AMT
5MEO-AMT

Are a few, not to mention any analogues or new ones that chemists are making or even ones that are crappy quality. These chemicals are easier to make than LSD and do not require as much knowledge or means(don't need ergot fungus which is difficult to get without a license).

With that said one can assume that LSD that feels significantly different than the new batch or from another source may be a completely different chemical. Some people may have gotten RC's all their life and finally thought they got "bunk LSD" when actually all they got was real LSD for the first time.

Don't believe me? Check the DEA's website, most of the "LSD" that is seized came up as research chemicals such as DOB/DOC/AMT ect. after it was run through a lab.

Very few of the seizures were LSD. What that means is either the streets are flooded with tons of mimic LSD or just that people holding real LSD are not getting caught as much as those holding DOX.

What I am saying is there is more DOx out there than you think, than anyone thinks. Austin TX has a huge epidemic with bullshit LSD, even though the real stuff is around....

It's all about connections. So far away are the days that we didn't have to worry about getting anything but LSD or a blotter that doesn't work at all. If you ask me, I'd rather buy a blotter that did nothing than one that contained DOx.

My 2 cents. %)
 
Why don't you just ingest it orally?

As far as I know there aren't (m)any other countries besides Holland that have a progressive policy and want to spend the money to fund a lab that tests your LSD. But that's only dose, I've never heard of a place that tests it for you anonymously by GC/MS you'd have to pay and companies can't just test illicit substances.

If you ask me your best bet is to just feel for yourself if you find it acceptable. It's improbably that it would do you harm either way and if you don't like something about it besides the absence of visuals then maybe it is a sign not to take it. Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe the amber color from the one vial and the less visual liquid from the other one are degraded.
I don't see any problem taking it. Though you should know there is very dark LSD crystal apparently that is badly synthesized which can give you annoying side-effects and not such a good trip. I'd say it's about as harmful as what you can feel yourself when you take it.

Killo, I'd say that claim about fake LSD is pretty localized. I guess in parts where LSD sources are scarce this might happen but most places I know of have a low percentage of fake acid.
 
The purity discussion in erowid is outdated, nowadays there are tons of research chemicals going around in liquid form that are being dropped on sweet tarts, blotters, coming in windowpanes ect. These would be partly why people talk about "dirty acid" or "speedy acid" or "REALLY VISUAL and less heady acid".

Acid is acid, but DOx is not acid.

LSD adulterants:
DOB
DOC
DOI
DOM
AMT
5MEO-AMT

Are a few, not to mention any analogues or new ones that chemists are making or even ones that are crappy quality. These chemicals are easier to make than LSD and do not require as much knowledge or means(don't need ergot fungus which is difficult to get without a license).

With that said one can assume that LSD that feels significantly different than the new batch or from another source may be a completely different chemical. Some people may have gotten RC's all their life and finally thought they got "bunk LSD" when actually all they got was real LSD for the first time.

Don't believe me? Check the DEA's website, most of the "LSD" that is seized came up as research chemicals such as DOB/DOC/AMT ect. after it was run through a lab.

Very few of the seizures were LSD. What that means is either the streets are flooded with tons of mimic LSD or just that people holding real LSD are not getting caught as much as those holding DOX.

What I am saying is there is more DOx out there than you think, than anyone thinks. Austin TX has a huge epidemic with bullshit LSD, even though the real stuff is around....

It's all about connections. So far away are the days that we didn't have to worry about getting anything but LSD or a blotter that doesn't work at all. If you ask me, I'd rather buy a blotter that did nothing than one that contained DOx.

My 2 cents. %)

I think I have had DOX before.... that was sooo fun :D

Honestly I just want something that gives me good visuals and a mind trip you know? This clear stuff gives me the mind fuck but not the intense visuals

Damn I had no clue Austin had a problem with that! I always heard they had the most legit L flowing down there.
 
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I have always wondered over the years about different batches. On one hand they all do the same thing. On another each different batch is like snowflakes. No two batches are exactly the same. I think that works for a lot of things such as food. Nothing scientific here, just something I've always thought. I guess I'm one that somewhat believes personality and intent go into a batch. Or maybe not. But I do believe although snow is snow, each flake differs.
 
Is it possible to put research chemicals in a vial(I get it dropped from one whenever I do it)?

For DOX you would have to put at least 100 mg in the liquid, wouldn't the taste be obvious?

For AMT it would have to be at least 500+ mg but would be extremely weak.... Would be incredibly obvious. 5-meo-AMT would also have to be at least 100mg.

Are all these chems bitter enough to notice?:

DOB
DOI
DOM
DOC
AMT
5-meo-AMT

If my stuff does not taste bitter and feels like LSD, maybe its just different impurities making the trip different....
 
Yeah I think it's bitter enough to notice for sure if that liquid is one dose per drop.

If my stuff does not taste bitter and feels like LSD, maybe its just different impurities making the trip different....

It's very very plausible that some batches of LSD are just not as good and give you less intense visuals. Mushrooms have a mix of chemicals in them naturally and they too can differ a lot in visual intensity.
If your stuff is not really bitter (may always have a weak typical taste to it, if you could taste it though the mintyness) and people recognize it as acid, just consider it to be LSD and accept that without a test you just won't know for sure.

Actually, that's the end of the story as far as I can tell - we don't allow ID threads anyway ;)

closing.
 
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