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LSD Info Request: What's going around

how can you possibly measure the dosage? A better way of assessing the strength would be to compare them to other recent blotters going around. Even this, as we all know, is very subjective but is surly more worth while than simply throwing out a guess as to what the actual ug might be. Im not trying to diss anyone, i just think it makes more sense especially to those who may not be too familar with acid
 
Either way it's still a guess - and the truth is that 'set' and 'setting' play a big part in the effect of LSD, particularly the visual character. Comparing one trip to another is everyone's perogative, if they have actually tried other kinds (obviously there's no point saying "I think these are stronger than the pharoahs, from what my mates said" because it's not first-hand info!).

You can read on Erowid for approximate ranges of 'normal' doses, but there is no personal connection to the data, so no way of juxtaposing your experience with the 'average' values... it's not possible to guess this stuff. Going further along this line of thinking tends to (for example) have people making grand assumptions on doses and strengths of all future LSD experiences based on a lab-report on an LSD tab they read about online that was similar in appearance to one they took personally 4 years ago which contained 125 micrograms of LSD-25; therefore giving them a single data point from which to compare every other trip.

Without what is usually referred to as a "calibration standard" (ie. knowledge a priori of the exact effects of a range of measured doses of LSD) all you are left with is a wild guess at the dose. Probably better to mention how many you personally took and how strong they were, or perhaps even better try to actually describe the effects of 1 tab. I think personally that there's more quality information in describing accurately what effect 1 tab had on a person, rather than skipping all reference to intermediate strengths and mental effects of the drug by saying "took me like 4-5 to get visuals..."

BT :)
 
I agree with BT, here's what I posted before on page 8 (I think it was 8...)

Personally I would rate them in order of strength;
Stars (strongest)
Prism's
Pharoahs (weakest)

Also finally got my hands on a digi cam. The photo's are pretty crap (never really used one before), but here they are.

stars.jpg


Note: Star's come in lots of different colours.

pheros.jpg


Pharoe's (is that the correct spelling?)


Edit: Cheers for the hint, xcidium, will do next time!
 
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^^ next time you take a (close up) photo. use the macro function on your camera. just hit the button that looks like this to put it on 'macro' mode. That should get rid of the blurryness.
 
Well just tried pharoas the other day and am currently tripping on a star (tis a more red one with a yellow star just like the ones pictured)...gotta say the pharoas were average as all hell, just made me laugh but this star is about 3 hours into it and it isn't too bad. Actually gettin more than usual visual enhancement off a single tab then usual. Wish I had 2 more at least as then that would be more a visual experience. But having a ball so far. Finding this star isn't really a laughy trip though, which is prolly best coz I'm at an unemployment agency typing away. Mind is quite clear though everything is a lot more vivid than usual. Preffered the liquid lsd I had last weekend more though.

Peace Out
 
whoops

oooooooo shit, I got put in my place hehe.

Well in a attempt to clear things up I guess I will try to "explain" the trip instead of asking for imperical values.

(Note: I am currently on a daily dose of 20mg of Fluoxetine. For more info on the effects of SSRI's and other tricyclic antidepressants on LSD, do a search on erowid)

Tab: Red Dragon (assumed from previous descriptions)
Time Taken: 8:30pm
Trip duration: 9-10 hours
Setting: Mardi Grass Doof

As many of you have stated before hand, the mindset and actual setting have a huge influence on how well the drug works. It really is hard for me to say how much I was hallucinating the night that I had taken the tab because I was in a environment where I couldn't distinguish between tripping and actual visual effects.

Something I do remember very clearly is when I was starting to come up, I felt huge waves of euphoria wash over me. I am also quite short sighted and I noticed that my vision seemed to be greatly enhanced (this was before I had arrived at the doof)

Ideally, I would like to try these again with a higher dosage and in not such a overwhelming environment, so that I could actually gauge the hallucinogenic properties better.

I never totally lost control of my body and I can confidently say that I only felt partial detachment from my conscience at times.

Hope this clears a few things up and i'll remember not to ask for actual dosage values next time!
 
Just last evening a mate described his experience while on - to use his words - "a few red dragons". He's a bit of an old hat with tripping, but he had us in stitches while he described how he watched his mates devouring a feed of Ribs. He said they looked like a bunch of Vikings eating a freshly killed beast, and that as they finished the meal, he had the overwhelming feeling that they were going to eat his leg next =D
 
Here is a picture of a blotter sold as a 'Red Dragon'. Sorry it's only the one tab, but the others magically disappeared before I could get a picture ;-)

This blotter was sourced in Tasmania about a month ago.

66650RedDragon.jpg
 
Originally posted by Immortal Teknique
Had a full pharoah last night. I would defenitely recommend them for first timers. Not too intense but clean. Personally though for a trip more suited to my liking i would have had around 3-3.5 to get the effects i wanted. Still good fun though...
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Can anyone explain to me what 'clean' means in relation to acid with pills it means a dose of mdxx without adulterants but i didn't think you normally had to worry about adulterants with LSD tabs. The context of my question is im thinking of trying LSD soon and i think i have the pharaohs and prisms available to me and my normal inclination would be to the stronger (well according to ar_gee) prisms but if there is something particularly 'clean' about the experience with pharaohs i might go them instead.
 
While it is extremely subjective at best to try and define "clean" acid, I think it mainly comes down to the degree of negative effects induced from a tab. While this could be entirely due to set and setting, I suspect there may be other factors involved.

For me, I would say that "clean" acid is the sort of trip where you have strong visuals and little to no body load. I've had some tabs where the visuals werent anything too special, but the body load was horrendous, and at the peak of the effects I felt rather ill and vomitted several times.

According to this article on erowid, there are numerous substances that are active in small enough quantities to fit on a blotter. A table of this is as follows:

drug dose (ug)
---- ---------
LSD 100-1000
nicotine 300
scopolamine 500
atropine 500
carbachol 200
aminopentamide 500
colchicine 100
fentanyl 100
etorphine 100
resperine 250
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Source for above: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info8.shtml

Also, another reason, which is what I suspect is more likely to be the reason for "dirty" acid rather than from adultrants, is that there may be impurities obtained during the manufacture of the lsd. From erowid once again:

Its possible that poorly synthesized LSD might have other ergot derivatives in it, which might contribute to the harsh body load that some get on taking LSD. Also, the very close chemical relatives 1-Methyl-LSD and 1-Acetyl-LSD (which break down into LSD in aqueous solution) might be present in some street samples and might contribute to the harsh body load. (Petter Stafford has claimed in his _Psychedelics Encyclopedia_ that 1-Acetyl-LSD is supposedly "smoother" than d-LSD -- thus "strychnine laced acid" may acutally be pure d-LSD, while "pure lsd" may be 1-Acetyl-LSD or some substitute). And the chemicals iso-LSD and lumi-LSD which are breakdown products of LSD might contribute to the body loading on some trips, particularly via a hypothetical synergistic effect. Given this plethora of possible chemicals in street "LSD", its not needed to look to a chemical which has hardly ever been found in analyzed samples to explain variations in the strength and "cleanliness" of street acid.
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Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml

If your interesting in some more information, these threads may help you:

LSD blotters sublingually vs. LSD blotter solution

LSD analogues & oz LSD purity

Hope this helps! :)
 
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peaked said:
For me, I would say that "clean" acid is the sort of trip where you have strong visuals and little to no body load.
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When i comment on acid being clean, thats what im relating too ^^
 
Thanks very much for the helpful replies guys, i might get both and start on the pharaohs in that case.
 
well the triangles are back in adelaide and have been for over a month. they are a strong orange colour with white specks, same triangle imprinted into one side of the pill, and dimentions as all the others have been. havnt found the time to test them out yet, but have been told these are a strong dose compared to some of the older ones :D
looking forward to giving these a whirl, unfortunatly they seem to be a bit more expensive than last time i bought them, but this is from a different source.

and yeah, the dexters are STILL circulating through adelaide =D
 
I consumed two hits of the 'pharoah' blotters going round Melbourne last night. Relatively weak, in that you need two or more to achieve a decent, solid trip, but if you got the shit thats no problem.
Visuals at t+4hrs to about 9hrs, then got really headachey and fell asleep.
Good acid for first timers, a little frustrating for those experinced. I suggest any of the latter ingest two or more, any less just feels niggling and almost annoying.
Put me in a great head space, kinda paranoid/ edgy (part and parcel of the acid experience) but laughing and surging with euphoric energy..... No body load at all, so suspect thast the tab was very clean (albeit quite a low dose), at times I actually felt really relaxed and languid and strrrrrrretchy.
In comparison with the Teddy Bears of yore, Pharoahs would contain more LSD and of a cleaner form (whatever that means). Only slight problem (which lead to my headache) was mild to extreme facial and postural (sp?) tension, whereby I felt like my face constantly wanted to stretch into a dopey grin. But if the smile was embraced, the face felt alright.
Anyway me and my girlfriend had a ball swinging on swings at 3.00am, eyes closed and brains reeling.
Thankyou Dr. Hoffman, thank-you . . . :)
 
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I felt like my face constantly wanted to stretch into a dopey grin. But if the smile was embraced, the face felt alright.
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Hahahaha... i had the same thing with these blotters.. I was on the train on the way home from my journey and i couldnt stop smiling.. Dopey grin is the best way to describe it..!!!
 
I consumed 1.5 stars last night, and wow!
Have to say after switching between pharoah, the star's are definatley much stronger.
The peak was quite intense, I had totally lost comprehension of time. I was perfectly happy staring at the grass as it breathed and swirled at my feet. Later I moved to chill alone listening to music, and I had the most unbelieveable feelings.
I also came to the conclusion that I love acid because - I feel everything on acid, so I am happy doing anything.
Doesn't make too much sense now, but at the time it was monumental. I then proceeded to kick a soccer ball around for hours and eat M&M's.
Wonderful night, excellent acid.
=)

PS. What is meant by the pharoah's being clean is that there is no body load or stomach upset's (for me anyway). These there was a little load and a slightly upset stomach, but totally bareable and infinetly worth the pleasure gained.
 
These blotters with a stamp of a star that people talk of, i have them on my radar, I am thinking of obtaining them, has anyone administered the blue squares and escher blotters and able to compare the 3 tabs in question regarding potency ?
 
Im getting reports of oracle blotter in Melbourne. Picture of a multicoloured spider web....has anyone heard of these. Mate said they were absolutely mind blowing, 10 times more potent than the pharoahs and alot stronger than the liquid we had...
 
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