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LSD & Ecstasy - First Timer - Am i going to be able to return???

neurofall

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Hi all,

Introduction and Background

My first experience with any drug of any sort was with cocaine about 3 years during my 3rd year of varsity. I took it occasionally but i suspect the quality was terrible because it never did much except to give me a slight rush and put me a little on edge. It did manage to sober me up completely if i took it while i was drunk. ADVANTAGES! :D

Last year, through a friend, we found another dealer and tried CAT (methcathione) which had a much more profound effect on me, basically amped me up, gave me lots of energy and lots of talking and a feeling of empathy with others. <3

Recently i started taking ecstacy from a new dealer (he has these green kangaroos and white kangaroos) The first time was quite good but i didn't feel that much of a rush or euphoria, although i did dance for almost 8 hours.

The pills that he had most recently looked a lot like these:

http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1073


On my last visit to him i decided to get a hit of acid as well just for curiosity sake with no real plans to ever take it. Stockpiling you could call it. YEAH RIGHT! :(

The Unsuspected Trip:

I have no real idea why i decided to take the acid that evening - The only explanation i have is curiosity and some boredom. Well curiosity almost killed the cat this time!

The deceivingly little piece of blotter paper was yellow with a red heart on it. It looked, well, harmless :) I remember thinking to myself "How can something so little be dangerous, lets try it out" At this point i was ignoring all advice from Forums i read on LSD and other drugs.

Using my scissors i cut off about 1/3 of the blotter and put it under my tongue just before i went to bath. After about 10minutes of the blotter under my tongue i decided whatever was soaked in is now gone and flushed it away.

Back at my PC in my room i decided that i was sold a dud and might as well try the rest. I dropped the remainig two thirds of the heart and started watching two and a half men TV series on my PC (It's mindless and helps to pass the time)

-- I started feeling something about 30miutes later and i had this incredible mood lift. I couldn't stop myself from smiling and everything on the tv show was very funny. :D
I decided that i would feel even better with a white kangaroo hopping inside me and swallowed a pill. (I believe this is called candy flipping)

About 1 hour later i was still feeling great and started to get that euphoria, tired, comfortable feeling when this feeling of unease hit me. My vision was a bit unusual and the monitor seemed to be blurring and unblurring itself. My Pupils were huge!

I had no sense of how much time had passed but i was feeling pretty tired from a long day and decided to get some sleep. At this point i got much more than i bargained for!

Tripping Bigtime!

The shadow from the lamp on the ceiling was "breathing" almost. It would get darker and darker and then lighten. Controlling this was impossible but i tried for quite a few minutes. I kept noticing small things like a mark on the ceiling which i would stare at for muinutes on end. The curtains (blue and gold) were weaving a little on their own and i almost had a radial view of sorts.

I even tried playing some Quake 3 to keep me occupied- Wow! The game was difficult to play but my aim was almost psychic in a way - Besides the fact that i would get distracted becuase the wall textures were changing color hues and the graphics were pixellating..

At some point during this i decided to close my eyes to get some sleep - CRAP that was a mistake. :! When i closed my eyes reality would melt away so to speak, i couldn't hold onto anything to anchor myself to reality. Kaleidoscopes of unusual colours and shapes, two and a half men pictures and lots of sexual kaleidoscopes formed as well.

It's difficult to describe but it was as if reality no longer existed. With my eyes closed whatever i "saw" was real. The more i "watched" the more real it seemed. As this point i was freaking out a bit and i would keep opening my eyes to stop the hallucinations.

One of my ex gf's once told me about her brother who took too much acid and ended up losing his mind. I recalled her saying "he went on a trip and never came back". I became paranoid of this happening to me and everytime i felt myself getting carried away with my eyes closed i would open my eyes to assure myself of reality.8o

My subconcious evidently expanding on this fear and whenever i closed my eyes i had visualisations of my soul being ejected and other versions of me being injected back into the mould. I had nightmares that i might end up in a continous gladiatoral pit or running a gauntlet in my mind, never to escape back to my body but being trapped in my mind.

I tried taking some Aterax (Benzodiaprene) to try and calm myself down and not sure what effect this had on me except to make me more tired.

The rest of the night was spent trying to sleep in intervals of 15 minutes (I kept opening my eyes to stop the trip from carrying me away) and heavily sweating and drinking lots of water and weird visits to the bathroom.

Some very weird google searches during my trip but i remember reading a page about bad trips and it advised turning on some music i like, counting breaths, and telling oneself "I am immortal, this will pass"

I guess that helped because it got me through the night...
The 8 hours that passed felt like a week to me and i finally fell asleep without visuals at about 5-6am. The next day was equally terrible, i felt uncomfortable in my skin, naesous, couldn't handle large crowds... All in all i regretted it 8)

2 Days later i'm now asking myself "Should i do it again?" :D

Some questions and reflection:

Thanks for reading my story if you've read so far... I'd very much like to receive some feedback - Has anyone experienced something like this?

Most of all i'd like to know, is it possible for someone to take and acid trip and not "come back" ? This was my biggest fear and kept me from enjoying the experience. I feel like if i accepted the visuals and let myself be carried away with my eyes closed i would never have returned to the land of the living so to speak. Is this just paranoia or can it happen?

Can you really lose yourself, get psychosis and lose your identity?

Any advice for me for my next trip if i decide to take it ??

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the problems start when you try to control the trip, succumbing to the thoughts of paranoia. Not going deeper into your mind.

the best thing you could have done was go into the thought space with eyes closed. Just let go, and you will be fine.

thanks for sharing!
 
next time try tripping with some friends you are really comfortable with.

try doing fun things, like coloring or finger painting, which are really fun when tripping.

Listen to some pink floyd or watch a trippy visual thing on the internet.

and like beenhead said, don't try to fight the trip. Just go with it and see where your mind takes you.

I only try to sleep when the visuals stop, annoying as it may be
 
Thanks for reading the story and for the feedback! :) Will make sure it is with my friends and i do some more visually fun things next time :P - It was my first trip and i knew i should have had a sitter but the music did help and counting the breaths helped to calm me...

The closed eye visuals weren't that great, just very weird - I thought about it a little more and the visuals were mostly like the trip that either Beavis or Butthead has when he eats that mushroom in the movie "Beavis and Butthead do America" *lol* 8o

I really had a fear that i wouldn't come back though if i let it carry me away. Is it possible not "not come back?" :| -- The paranoia just seemed so real!
 
Nice report.
It propably wasn`t the best idea to ad that mdma to your first trip without even to know how tripping feels like.that seemed to be a little too much.But hey for some people the first time is hard even if they are informed, for the same reasons it was for you. You just have to let go, don`t be afraid (I know it is easier to say than to do).But you will come back after a few hours.This storys from people that got stuck in a trip and lost them self for ever are usually some stupid urban legends from people who knew a guy who know a guy that read somewhere an article writen by a guy who knew a guy...and so on.In the end there is very little truth.What doesn`t mean that something like that never happened, it just doesn`t happen that often.And this people had underlying proplems even before they took any psychedelic.So don`t worry about that too much.
Just try it again with a proper sitter, to calm you down if something goes wrong, and a smaller dose.
Most important have fun.
 
you cannot never come back froma trip.
But if you do acid in the wrong setting or you are irresponsible with your use, you can have long lasting psychological problems.

Just know as much as you can about what you are doing, learn about proper set ans setting, and take the necessary steps to be as safe as possible. This will minimize the chance of a negative reaction.
 
Leave out the MDMA next time. It has nothing to add to an LSD experience IMO. If you were on LSD alone you probably would have had more control over your mind.
 
Fry said:
Nice report.
It propably wasn`t the best idea to ad that mdma to your first trip without even to know how tripping feels like.that seemed to be a little too much.But hey for some people the first time is hard even if they are informed, for the same reasons it was for you. You just have to let go, don`t be afraid (I know it is easier to say than to do).But you will come back after a few hours.This storys from people that got stuck in a trip and lost them self for ever are usually some stupid urban legends from people who knew a guy who know a guy that read somewhere an article writen by a guy who knew a guy...and so on.In the end there is very little truth.What doesn`t mean that something like that never happened, it just doesn`t happen that often.And this people had underlying proplems even before they took any psychedelic.So don`t worry about that too much.
Just try it again with a proper sitter, to calm you down if something goes wrong, and a smaller dose.
Most important have fun.

- Thanks for the feedback - Yeah Wikipedia says that Candyflipping is a unique experience completely seperate from taking either drug by itself.
I agree about the psychological damage from psychedlics really being brought on by other problems (Maybe pre-existing mental disorders) :)

Will definitely use a sitter next time! %)

bluedolphin said:
Leave out the MDMA next time. It has nothing to add to an LSD experience IMO. If you were on LSD alone you probably would have had more control over your mind.

- Wouldn't MDMA enhance your mood and thereby improve the LSD experience as you're more positive and already feeling good ?

Beenhead said:
Just know as much as you can about what you are doing, learn about proper set ans setting, and take the necessary steps to be as safe as possible. This will minimize the chance of a negative reaction.

- Set and setting is just being with friends who one is comfortable with, a trustworthy sitter and a well known enviroment and/or comfortable enviroment ... Is that it or is there more to set and setting?

I'm strongly tempted to do it again but what i've read on these forums one needs to almost plan these trips! Taking psychedlics like you would take MDMA or coke for instance is a bad idea! :)
 
neurofall said:
- Wouldn't MDMA enhance your mood and thereby improve the LSD experience as you're more positive and already feeling good ?

MDMA might enhance your mood during the trip, potentially... although this doesn't sound like it was very euphoric to me as I read it. MDMA + acid could raise pulse rate and sweating much more than acid alone would, which might contribute to overwhelmed/panicky feelings.

I would also expect that the MDMA contributed to your feeling 'out of it' the next day, as MDMA is notorious for its crashes.

Thanks for sharing the candyflip report, though.
 
it doesnt sound like that bad of a trip honestly you just buggged a little.
 
wow only 1/3 of a blotter? imagine if you'd done the whole one!

Anyway, I do think that 'depersonalization' is possible from drugs like LSD and E, LSD is especially good/powerful at destroying one's sense of self, and exposing character traits that are usually hidden. One can leave the experience rather unsure of oneself.
 
IndoleDreamStudies said:
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I would also expect that the MDMA contributed to your feeling 'out of it' the next day, as MDMA is notorious for its crashes.

Ta for the feedback - Yeah i guess it might have been the MDMA but i've had the white kangaroos before with no comedown. I'm notorious amongst my friends for not having hangovers from anything. Coming down off E, CAT, alcohol etc.. and i'm usually 100% - Thats what made me think it was the LSD :(

ntype said:
wow only 1/3 of a blotter? imagine if you'd done the whole one!

Anyway, I do think that 'depersonalization' is possible from drugs like LSD and E, LSD is especially good/powerful at destroying one's sense of self, and exposing character traits that are usually hidden. One can leave the experience rather unsure of oneself.

Haha - No i did take the entire blotter. I took 1/3 initially to 'try' it out and when it didnt kick in after 30minutes i took the rest... Then as untaMe said: I really bugged out :p
I agree about the depersonalization - Thanks for the observation! Sounds like what was happening to me..

My experience and reading a ton of other trip reports has made me ask myself do all psychedlic users listen to similar types of music? I find that i enjoy trance usually more than other music types but since i've had MDMA i can listen to happy hardcore or hard trance without any problems =D

Anyone else experience something like that?
 
ntype said:
wow only 1/3 of a blotter? imagine if you'd done the whole one!

Anyway, I do think that 'depersonalization' is possible from drugs like LSD and E, LSD is especially good/powerful at destroying one's sense of self, and exposing character traits that are usually hidden. One can leave the experience rather unsure of oneself.


silly ted.... he didi eat the other two 3rd LOL

common now son read!
 
good report neurofall. i enjoyed reading it, and it reminded me of my own experiences as well. listen to the other posters, and don't fight it next time. since you've tired tripping once, you know somewhat what to expect next time, so i bet you'll have an even better time. tripping with some friends is good advice too, i think solo-tripping is for more experienced users.

a couple of points:

1) it should be noted that the link you posted for your pill said it contained 5x as much caffeine as MDMA, so its not surprising you had anxiety.

2) Atarax is the brand name for hydroxyzine, which is an anti-histamine, not a benzodiazepine. it is prescribed for it's anxiety reducing effects though.

3) and you wont "trip and never come down," its basically an urban legend. don't worry about that while tripping, let your mind reach its full potential, you wont be disappointed.
 
it takes some time and familiarity with the 'psychedelic space' to get comfortable with being eyes closed in the peak of the trip.

your mentioning that reminded me that I also found closed eye visuals almost terrifying when I first started tripping (about 7 or 8 years ago now).

Now I find that the mind space the CEVs put me in is very conducive to deep interpersonal therapeutic healing. The visuals you will begin to notice have very significant 'emotional content' once you stop trying to 'figure out what it is' (like saying oh thats a DUCK or a RIVER or whatever).

Let it flow.
 
Hi all,

I've been dormant for a while, very busy with work and my business and been travelling.

I logged on and decided to take another look at my report as i've been thinking about trying LSD (again) or maybe something like Mescaline.

Stirfry: Thank you for the advice. I appreciate the pointers. I'll try set aside some proper benzodiazepines next time.

Everyone has said that one wont "trip and never come down" but some Bluelight users have said one can be left with psychological damage.

I'm just really really concerned about having another bad trip which i think is bad as maybe i'll be more likely to have a bad trip because i'm pre-empting the anxiety...

What else can do i besides changing the environment and taking with friends?
 
another thing is people don't usually drop both drugs right on top of each other. usually you take one and then the other after things are well underway.

I know firsthand that you can get way way wayyyy too fucking high taking hallucinogens and ecstasy with the aim of hitting both peaks at the same time.
 
Sick Niz

just tried candy flipping. down from the e, but still tripping from the acid rite now. This is how i did it; gets you fucked up right fast:

Crush the E

Cut it into 3 lines

Snort it

Snort a shot of tequila

Snort One drop Liquid LSD with two drops peppermint schnapps mixer.

Everything crosses the blood brain barrier so quickly. You start tripping hard after 5 mins. If you're even a little more of a risk taker, take the acid through your eye. Effing hits you in 10 secs. Bam! Blood Brain Barrier!!!

For experience ppl only. Liquid LSD is hard shit to get, but if you consume it on blotters, it will take upwards of an hour before you start tripping. Antihistamines help relieve the nausea associated with coming up on acid.

Remember, you cannot sleep on acid, so keep that timing in mind. You might not want to drop it late in the night like me unless you're a night owl.

Crazy rush tho. So much fun. Have to do it like this again. For experienced ppl only, because it's easy to od on everything because you don't have a built in bodily rejection mechanism. The acid has no real level of neuro-toxicity, but can lead to schizophrenia. The E fucks with your heart, especially if it's not pure and is cut with shit like caffine. Watch out for heart arythmias. Don't have sex on this shit, you will be scarred for life.
 
i have read that the hearts are some of the strongest blotters going around nowadays, 2x as strong as the hoffmann 2000's

on one website i heard that they were reported to be 2-400 micrograms

did they have a # on the back?

the blotters ive seen pictures of had a white background, but were also found in europe/australia/africa
 
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