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Sustanon said:
I believe that ur highly intelligent and know ur shit but 20 000ug of crystal LSD? Id like to see that with my own eyes. 20-25 tabs would floor me so hard i couldnt even imagine what it would feel like. Surely ur tolerance isnt that high or somethings up with ur metabolism.
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Receptor saturation kicks in around the 2,000ug mark I believe... Though don't quote me on that. And then up after 10,000ug other receptors start to react to the LSD that don't react on a lower dose, thus the reports of thumbprints are often completely different from doses around 500ug, worlds apart even.

It isn't impossible that he has had 20,000ug at some point.

If he had, I would be very interested to hear more about it.
 
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Sustanon said:
I believe that ur highly intelligent and know ur shit but 20 000ug of crystal LSD? Id like to see that with my own eyes. 20-25 tabs would floor me so hard i couldnt even imagine what it would feel like. Surely ur tolerance isnt that high or somethings up with ur metabolism.
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before 'accidental' ingestion of 50 tabs, each 420 ug of very fresh Dutch cheese, i had not touched LSD for 12 years so tolerance was not an issue.

receptor saturation:

1,200ug - serotonin and subtypes
10,000ug - dopaminergic and some secondary messenger transmtters
20,000ug - AChE crossover, some histaminergic activity. permanent cognitive changes. also lasting delusional attitudes amongst the general public in re interpretation of facts as presented ;-)
 
nanobrain said:
before 'accidental' ingestion of 50 tabs, each 420 ug of very fresh Dutch cheese, i had not touched LSD for 12 years so tolerance was not an issue.

receptor saturation:

1,200ug - serotonin and subtypes
10,000ug - dopaminergic and some secondary messenger transmtters
20,000ug - AChE crossover, some histaminergic activity. permanent cognitive changes. also lasting delusional attitudes amongst the general public in re interpretation of facts as presented ;-)
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Good to know, thanks nano =)
 
Sustanon said:
Oral LSD Dosages

Threshold 20 ug
Light 25 - 75 ug
Common 50 - 150 ug
Strong 150 - 400 ug
Heavy 400 + ug
LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 12,000 ug

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml
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i daresay, LD50 values must have been extrapolated from rat data and are much lower than actual LD50 - else i would be 50% dead more times than the number of lives of any 2 pairs of cats, and thus unable to post this reply bein dead n all.
 
nanobrain said:
i daresay, LD50 values must have been extrapolated from rat data and are much lower than actual LD50 - else i would be 50% dead more times than the number of lives of any 2 pairs of cats, and thus unable to post this reply bein dead n all.
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Yep there is currently only one recorded death as a direct result of LSD, a man injected what he believed was amphetamine. I have no idea how someone could a) make such a careless error and b) have such a large quantity of LSD available. To any extent, below is from Erowid:

Psychedelics Encyclopedia
Peter Stafford
p.70
"For those concerned about immediate medical hazards in ingesting LSD...Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies, that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die--would be about 14,000 [ug]. But one person who took 40,000 ug survived. In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose (Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320,000 ug had been injected intravenously."
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Regarding the data being taken from dosage required to kill a rat, see below. Although I imagine nano is already fully aware of this information it may prove useful to others.

Clinical Management of Poisoning and Drug Overdose
by Haddad Winchester
page 459:

LD50:

46 mg/kg in mice
16.5 mg/kg in rats
0.3 mg/kg in rabbits
0.1 mg/kg in elephants

In monkeys, the LD100 is 5 mg/kg.

Death in these animals is the result of respiratory failure, preceded in the rabbit by marked hyperthermia. Human data are manifestly lacking, and predictions of the average lethal dose for humans have ranged from 0.2 mg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg, administered orally.
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Guys - I've removed the posts surrounding gaming as it's taking the thread a fair way off topic. I realise you're talking about gaming and tripping, however, the thread isn't designed for that purpose.

If you want to chat about gaming then remember that we have a Sports & Gaming forum where gaming discussion is encouraged. If that forum isn't too keen on the drug + gaming discussion then Drug Culture is the place for lighthearted conversations about drugs and the social aspects of drug use.
 
Dont judge people you don't know....

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Onto something more interesting is Hofmann's turning up in the states layed with ALD-52, which is unheard of since i've been in the scene.

Check it:
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Very interesting to say the least, i'd be very keen to sample some of these bad boys.
 
Jakeperson said:
I don't want to get involved but that remains the same for you as well.



On the note of ALD-52, that stuff sounds amazing!
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My mates have been talking about ALD-52 alot. Few of them have tried it. Its an analogue of LSD and very similar in effects. Not as strong but very nice. Ill try to upload a pic of the ALD-52 tabs that have been floating around when i speak with my mates. Its on my to do list along with 2ct7:)
 
From memory, ALD-52 is so difficult to sustain, that it would breakdown to LSD and acetic acid before ever reaching the end user, afaik this can't be avoided under conditions outside of a lab. I dont believe 'tabs' circulating as ALD-52 are anything but LSD.

Not to mention the process of synthesizing ALD-52 first requires synthesis of LSD-25, it's just not practical or efficient to go another step, only to have it break back down before it ever reach's the user, especially on a market scale.
 
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them bikes w/the non-LSD molecule on other side - not ALD-52 but piss-poor LSD, been doing the rounds since before BOOM 2008. the bike side is on closer look a scanned copy. you will not see ALD-52 in blotter carrier matrix.
 
How does that work? What do microdots possess to enable ALD-52 to stay stable that blotters dont?
 
first trip i ever had, thought id just sit in my room with my mate, didnt want any 'unexpected stimuli' to perhaps induce a bad trip... but about three or four hours into the trip, (we took the tabs at around two in the morning) i remember looking out the window, the sun starting to rise and this magic feeling came over me, and i just knew i had to go outside. went for a walk in the crisp, cold morning air and felt so amazing.. the rays of morning sun were so beautiful. ill never forget that feeling... mind you ive only done acid twice and the second experience was at a party, and i hated it. for me the drunk people had such a bad vibe while i was tripping...
 
Clearly, but i wouldn't say paper is that much more susceptible to degradation than microdots.

Who knows.
 
Microdots are a bit more stable. The acid isnt really dropped onto it. Its actually inside it. Ive only had the chance to try it once in EU. It was a tiny round red tablet sort of thing. Bout the size of half a tick tack lol Boy was it nice:)
 
Yeah, i've had them many times. They're dropped, soaked, infused, whatever they want to do really.

Just as long as they are solid, they'll last forever.
 
Just a question to those in the know, I have finally got hold of some decent tabs and really enjoyed last weekend. I am very tempted to go again tonight (a week later) and have planned to trip next weekend should I give it a rest or will it be cool to trip 3 weeks in a row?
 
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