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Obviously, like you said, it is highly dependent on set and setting, however if one were to had a high grade of acid what would the affects be compared to a lower grade?

I'm asking out of general interest but also, when ever I trip it is usually low body load, no emotional change, but very visual (differing visuals each trip). Would this be the actual acid itself, set and setting, just the way acid reacts with my body, or all of the above? :)
 
tyrael said:
Obviously, like you said, it is highly dependent on set and setting, however if one were to had a high grade of acid what would the affects be compared to a lower grade?

I'm asking out of general interest but also, when ever I trip it is usually low body load, no emotional change, but very visual (differing visuals each trip). Would this be the actual acid itself, set and setting, just the way acid reacts with my body, or all of the above? :)
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All of the above, as well as dosage. A lot of people are quite sensitive to acid these days it seems, given that relatively low-loading tabs still result in visuals and good strong experiences, so you might be able to see things off 75ug without getting any of the deeper though-provoking strings that come with a higher dose.

I find that higher purity acid (for me at least) is easily determined by euphoria and clarity of thought - I've had strong acid experiences where yeah, I was definetly tripped the fuck out because my thoughts were all over the show, but clean acid still promotes different thinking, but ther's almost no confusion or grilling out. Lower quality acid I find adds a lot of noise to the overall signal - The body load is distracting, the visuals can be blurry, your head feels fuzzy and like you can't really focus on anything. Sensory overload in combination with decreased capacity to sort of 'disconnect' yourself from the drug, as LSD is a very involving experience.

Mind you, as mentioned earlier, a greater sensitivity to LSD in general would mean that 75ug could induce visuals without having enough contaminants to give you much of a body loading - So you might find that whilst 1 or 2 tabs is fine, if you ate 3 or 4 you felt a lot of negative side effects that made the trip less pleasant.
 
Doctor War I find your posts quite interesting but I'd love some more information if you know where I can find it.
I guess I have some trouble believing that small amounts of impurities can cause noticeable effects particularly at 'standard' doses as in a single tab.
Please know I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to get more than just your word on it.

What possible compounds left as impurities could be noticed at a dose of (from your example) 50ug?

I can say that I have have vastly different experiences from the same amount of tabs from the same sheet at different times, some times experiencing the 'different thinking' more than others and also having different physical effects such as those described for higher purity and lower purity LSD.
Again I've put this down to differences in myself and my environment and in my example (same tabs from same sheet joined directly to the tabs I had the time before) I cannot see how it could be anything else.
I haven't had different enough experiences from different tabs or liquid to ever think there was a real difference between the LSD I've ingested.

I'm quite prepared to be shown otherwise though.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this subject, I hope to gain more knowledge from it and would love to see some research that shows what you're talking about.
 
shtonkalot said:
Doctor War I find your posts quite interesting but I'd love some more information if you know where I can find it.
I guess I have some trouble believing that small amounts of impurities can cause noticeable effects particularly at 'standard' doses as in a single tab.
Please know I'm not disagreeing with you but I'd like to get more than just your word on it.

What possible compounds left as impurities could be noticed at a dose of (from your example) 50ug?
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Mostly indole gunge, skatoles (methylindoles), and indenes - One particular culprit, ergoclavine, is responsible for a lot of the nausea experienced on acid. Not to mention the many enatiomers of LSD, especially Iso-lysergic acid diethylamide, which is not recreationally psychoactive but still displays a side effect profile consistent with most ergoline derivatives.

Also important to note is that sufficiently purified (e.g chromatographically seperated) LSA from organic sources is subjectively almost indistinguishable for LSD. The dupe becomes apparent with less clean samples of LSA which contain a wide variety of ergolines resulting in peripheral disseminated vasculitis, cramping and bruxism - it is these chemicals, present in nature, that cause such negative side effects that are also often accidently produced in vitro during synthesis. I'll try and dig up some refs for you but it'll be hard to do so without breaking the synthesis discussion rules. My best suggestion is to go off and investigate both natural and synthetic ergolines - Google is your friend.

shtonkalot said:
I can say that I have have vastly different experiences from the same amount of tabs from the same sheet at different times, some times experiencing the 'different thinking' more than others and also having different physical effects such as those described for higher purity and lower purity LSD.
Again I've put this down to differences in myself and my environment and in my example (same tabs from same sheet joined directly to the tabs I had the time before) I cannot see how it could be anything else.
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Set and setting is probably the most important factor, especially because your body may react differently based on how much sleep you've had, your personal neurotransmitter profile at the point of dosing, your overall mood, nutritional balance et cetera - But then again, it's also possible that the sheet was laid inconsistently, and that there may be a higher concentration of crystal at certain points, or along one side of the sheet, and the suchlike - Meaning that again, you might get 50ug of lsd from one side but 85ug on the other, or an even greater difference - Either way, because of set and setting again you might not be able to determine a difference in visual potency or emotional clarity but you may experience greater physical side effects.
 
Very informative post Doctor War

I'll try and dig up some refs for you but it'll be hard to do so without breaking the synthesis discussion rules.
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Don't we still have a policy on appropriate HR related synth discussion? Perhaps you could just cut and paste the relevant bits. I for one am very interested in this topic and I'm also way out of date on what's online re LSD synths, impurities etc, in particular the pharmacology of some of these compounds.
 
phase_dancer said:
Don't we still have a policy on appropriate HR related synth discussion?
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I couldn't find the rules in relation to synth discussion, could someone point me in the right direction?

I'd like to think we could discuss a drug that is also a synthesis compound for other drugs as long as we weren't discussing the synthesis of an illegal substance.

Looking for info on ergoclavine I could find nothing relating to dosage amounts that are active, or noticeable.
In this discussion I'd just like to find out about these other drugs and there effects. If this then becomes off topic for the thread (due to discussion of a different drug than LSD) I'd be happy to start individual threads on these other drugs.
I think seeing as these other drugs are sold as/with LSD that it would remain on topic enough to discuss here though.

Moderate me appropriately please ;)
 
Mistake me if I am wrong. And its highly as I don't know much on all this chemical crap. All them I am learning slowly thanks to P_D and D_W. Yes, you get the underscore with two letters now too, Doc.

I believe ergoclavine and such aren't actually drugs and there for you wouldn't be able to find doses and activity and such as they have no effect on the brain or CNS like other drugs. However they are chemicals that can cause side effects to your body if ingested.
 
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Jakeperson said:
I believe ergoclavine and such aren't actually drugs and there for you wouldn't be able to find doses and activity and such as they have no effect on the brain or CNS like other drugs. However they are chemicals that can cause side effects to your body if ingested.
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OK, I'll mistake you ;)
"A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function."
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Now that quote is from wikipedia (make of that what you will) and I have found definitions that state CNS activity too. I have been brought up by doctors and I've always been told a drug is any substance that when put into the body alters the way it acts.
not all medications act on the CNS but I think most would consider any medication as a drug.

Anyone else care to define 'drug'?

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I'm pretty sure ergoclavine does act on the CNS though, it causes hallucinations in some from the reports I read.
 
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Doctor War said:
Crystal LSD commonly ranges in quality from 60 (less commonly these days) to the high nineties
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I'd love to see the report that you got these figures from, can you please post it.

And also the comment you made on the high purity fluff (as you called it) only being available to an inner circle doesn't really make any sense. When you consider that even a small amount of high purity LSD crystal can equal thousands upon thousands or even hundreds of thousands of hits of LSD blotter (laced generously). Must be quite a large circle of people or a small circle with shitloads of acid there not sharing. Can you shed some more light on that comment (and please dont quote Nanobrain).
 
Jakeperson said:
Whats every one's opinion on mixing tabs? Which obviously involved mixing purity.
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I would have thought you would just take the average of whatever purity you estimate the tabs to be, like if one was 80% and the other 60%, and theyre both equal doses, then you'd overall have 70% pure LSD... Correct me if I'm wrong though.
 
my innerself said:
I'd love to see the report that you got these figures from, can you please post it.

And also the comment you made on the high purity fluff (as you called it) only being available to an inner circle doesn't really make any sense. When you consider that even a small amount of high purity LSD crystal can equal thousands upon thousands or even hundreds of thousands of hits of LSD blotter (laced generously). Must be quite a large circle of people or a small circle with shitloads of acid there not sharing. Can you shed some more light on that comment (and please dont quote Nanobrain).
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I don't have an online report I can link to, it's mostly information revealed when I've seen seizures, and then the forensic reports and charges laid which specify the relative purity.

When I say high purity fluff I mean 99%+, Which usually means the original source has performed five or more methanol washes on zeolite to seperate out the other isomers before final recrystallisation. Now, true family artists or anyone with the right spirit in their heart would do that anyway; but as things presently stand, it's a lot of effort and risks losing your entire batch if you fuck the column, so you'll often see the 'wider distribution' bulk batch being laid at a lower quality because, well, most of the public won't know the difference and it's the more conservative, reliable way to do things.

The 'inner circle' as I mentioned are the sorts of people who have been thumbprinted or are simply used to very heavy doses in the magnitude of 10,000ug and more. So if the chemist produces 10 grams of moderate purity (60-80% depending on his skill and how much he wants to risk losing in final clean-up) which is laid to blotter and liquid solution, and then a gram of fluff which is broken up into usually just liquid and little 250mg vials that are topped off with a grain of dry ice before being sealed and carried by a trusted courier to the designated recipient. You will sometimes see special edition blotter that has been absolutely drenched in crystal though on the magnitude of 2500ug+ a tab, they however tend to be limited release, far less common and usually laid with the same 99 fluff that goes into the liquid concentrate or crystal vials.

I'm sorry, i can't quote you references on that either, most of it is information garnered by word of mouth from people in the scene.
 
Doctor War said:
I always get bad gas from strong cid, especially liquid, so I'd take that as an encouraging sign.
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js2k6 said:
me also... only on come up

and towards the very end, my guts hate me.
but it only ever happens on a good strong trip.
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Come to think of it I generally feel a bit bloaty on cid too.

Sustanon said:
Good luck with finding strong acid. I havnt seen any good strong ones for nearly 10 years.
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Guess it depends what you're comparing it to.
Strong can mean 100mics if all you've ever had is paper that requires 2-3 squares for fun.
I think the paper around lately (in NSW) has been strong compared to the paper getting around say a year ago. I've had better in the past too (much better in some cases) but overall I think there is some decent strength tabs about and I'd call what's about (Pink Panthers, Mickeys and Stewies for example) strong.
Yes they could be stronger (couldn't they all?) but I had a mate have an amazing time off half a mickey a couple of weeks back. Half of anything for a good time can't be too weak.
 
Swiss storm liq and black acid tabs from earlier in the year had some of my mates shitting their rings out while tripping balls HAHAHA

I rarely get acid gas but i know a few guys who suffer it terribly every time they dose big with 'cid

Poor bastards

Had some funny moments tripping out bush when mates squat on prickles or thistles

It's something that some of you might want to watch out for when dosing big i guess

I know a guy who chews imodium a few hours before he doses to help plug things up LOL
 
PsiloSubNaut said:
know a guy who chews imodium a few hours before he doses to help plug things up LOL
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That sounds like a good idea as I do seem to have a bit of trouble with.

Got a source for my first liquid and will be trying it in a few weeks. I'm not able to do it for the next two weekends because of work. How stable will it be in tin foil in clippy in Tupperware in freezer? Should I see any/much loss over two or so weeks?
 
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